2016-2017 State of Canadian Figure Skating

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If you checked my past posts, I actually hate Carol Lane commentary as well. I think it was last year when Gabby Daleman had 1 good LP at Skate Canada and Carol Lane said Yulia Lipnitskaya needs to learn Gabby (I know Gabby was improving, but that is one of the dumbest things I've heard that a struggling Olympic Gold medalist who has a world medal and made the GPF should be learning from someone who hadn't scored past 70 or 120 in SP and FS respectively nor medaled on the GP series) Just because one commentator is just as bad, doesn't mean others are allowed to held just slightly a standard above.

His opinion clearly came from a perspective of not being able to compete on quads during D/R dominance. You might as well ban most of the elements in gymnastics as well since so many young individuals end their careers before they make it to the Olympics.

Again, just because one person made a comment, does mean others are allowed to be just as bad.

I encourage anyone who has received these comments to call it out. They don't need chill pill, in fact some of these fans needs chill pills.

Except his opinion doesn't stem from that. And you're still giving the same unsupported arguments that fans like to falsely claim in which he feels threatened. He's stated his dislike of quads in a couple of Russian video interviews back in 2010 before he or D&R were even medal threats or quads were an everyday occurrence. Yes, he was certainly annoyed then at D&R's dominance before they started winning medals.

I'm sure it sounds bad because they are winning now, but it's not like D&R won two titles and he immediately comes out with this hate of the quad. He's been talking about for many, many years... sometimes ad nauseam since you know Trankov likes to hear himself talk at times (watch any pair video of him commentating and he never shuts up).

Personally I think there are more productive things to do than call out faceless bullies on Twitter, but clearly we disagree about that.

Again, just because one person made a comment, does mean others are allowed to be just as bad. Just because I call 1 person out, doesn't mean I don't condone the behaviours of others.

I said this is another thread but having a score sheet about who is worse is very unproductive. Let's all hold each other to a high standard.

I'll agree with that. :agree:

 

[syl20c]

Novice Ladies

Rank Score Name Segment1 Segment2
1 131.22 Catherine Carle - CO 40.83 (3) 90.39 (1)
2 118.13 Emma Bulawka - BC/YK 43.27 (1) 74.86 (2)
3 115.76 Rosalie Vincent - QC 42.13 (2) 73.63 (5)
4 111.52 Sandrine Bouchard - QC 40.42 (4) 71.10 (8)
5 111.06 Samira D Auteuil - QC 37.11 (12) 73.95 (3)

A new Canadian record!

 

[lyndichee]

Except his opinion doesn't stem from that. And you're still giving the same unsupported arguments that fans like to falsely claim in which he feels threatened. He's stated his dislike of quads in a couple of Russian video interviews back in 2010 before he or D&R were even medal threats or quads were an everyday occurrence. Yes, he was certainly annoyed then at D&R's dominance before they started winning medals.

I'm sure it sounds bad because they are winning now, but it's not like D&R won two titles and he immediately comes out with this hate of the quad. He's been talking about for many, many years... sometimes ad nauseam since you know Trankov likes to hear himself talk at times (watch any pair video of him commentating and he never shuts up).

Personally I think there are more productive things to do than call out faceless bullies on Twitter, but clearly we disagree about that.

He talked about them before but he didn't propose the banning of them until D/R had reached a level that threatened his status as #1. I said this before but this would clearly created a scoring system that benefited skaters like himself. If he doesn't agree, he can disagree but he can't do with disparaging another pair who's strength comes from quads and harder technical elements. I don't think it just coincidental. D/R didn't start the quad until after 2014 so he couldn't have been mad at them back then, but surely this is not just a coincidence now that it seems essential have a quad or higher technical elements to win.

I have the same outlook on quads as calling out bullies. It is Meagan's time (body), she has the freedom to choose.

 

[TGee]

Novice Ladies

Rank Score Name Segment1 Segment2
1 131.22 Catherine Carle - CO 40.83 (3) 90.39 (1)
2 118.13 Emma Bulawka - BC/YK 43.27 (1) 74.86 (2)
3 115.76 Rosalie Vincent - QC 42.13 (2) 73.63 (5)
4 111.52 Sandrine Bouchard - QC 40.42 (4) 71.10 (8)
5 111.06 Samira D Auteuil - QC 37.11 (12) 73.95 (3)

A new Canadian record!

Catherine Carle is definitely one to watch.... High BV with a focus on jumps at this point. But what jumps!

2A+3T, 3Lo+2T, 3S+2T, 3Lo, 3S, 3T, 2A.....all positive GOE except the last 2A.

Not to mention 3 level 4 spins....

We'll be watching for improvement in program components in future, but a solid base to build on.

Editing to add: Catherine is 13 years old.

 

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He talked about them before but he didn't propose the banning of them until D/R had reached a level that threatened his status as #1. I said this before but this would clearly created a scoring system that benefited skaters like himself. If he doesn't agree, he can disagree but he can't do with disparaging another pair who's strength comes from quads and harder technical elements. I don't think it just coincidental. D/R didn't start the quad until after 2014 so he couldn't have been mad at them back then, but surely this is not just a coincidence now that it seems essential have a quad or higher technical elements to win.

I have the same outlook on quads as calling out bullies. It is Meagan's time (body), she has the freedom to choose.

Fair enough. :agree: Loved reading your thoughts!

 

[chuckm]

Novice Ladies

Rank Score Name Segment1 Segment2
1 131.22 Catherine Carle - CO 40.83 (3) 90.39 (1)
2 118.13 Emma Bulawka - BC/YK 43.27 (1) 74.86 (2)
3 115.76 Rosalie Vincent - QC 42.13 (2) 73.63 (5)
4 111.52 Sandrine Bouchard - QC 40.42 (4) 71.10 (8)
5 111.06 Samira D Auteuil - QC 37.11 (12) 73.95 (3)

A new Canadian record!

The top Novice scorers at US Sectionals were:

150.96 51.59 99.37 Pooja KALYAN 3f, 3z+2t, 3s, 3f^2a, 3z, 3t+2t
150.62 54.33 96.29 Isabella MILLER 3t+2t, 3lo, 2a+1lo+3s, 3s+2t, 3t, 2a
149.43 48.13 101.30 Alysa LIU 3z+3t, 3f+1lo+3s, 3lo, 3z, 3f+2t
139.47 43.96 95.51 Audrey SHIN 3z+3t, 2a, 3f+2t+2lo, 3lo, 3z+1t, 3f

 

[4everchan]

Thanks chuck... not sure why we need the US nationals score in the Canadian thread but thanks

 

[chuckm]

They're not Nationals scores, just Sectionals scores. Sectionals are similar to your Challenge event, except that it is a much smaller group of skaters since many have been weeded out during Regionals, which can have as many skaters at the lower levels as your Challenge event.
Only 12 Novices make it out of Sectionals and go on to Nationals.

 

[4everchan]

same difference canadian thread here we really want to keep this as a canadian thread... we even weeded out, to use your words, international skaters training in canada... we are discussing skaters competing for Canada. Also, of course, each country may score differently so comparing these scores wouldn't help much would they? thanks anyways for sharing

 

[Mango]

US Sectionals are not the same as Skate Canada Challenge.

Challenge is a pre-Nationals event. There are about 500 skaters in the event in all four disciplines from pre-novice to senior. There is no juvenile event, as those are held at sectionals.

Each section in Canada has a sectionals. At sectionals some disciplines may not have competitions. Either due to a lack of competitors or the fact that some events will be held with another section. For example, Central Ontario had no pairs and ice dance events (except Juvenile ice dance) at sectionals because they were done at Western Ontario sectionals.

The only major similarity between US Sectionals and Challenge is that both are qualifiers to Nationals. But even then, pre-novice skaters do not qualify. There is no pre-novice event at Canadian Nationals.

We do not need to compare scores with US Sectionals because the judging is quite different. Just have a look at PCS and you'll understand.

A much better comparison for ladies, if you folks desire one, is to look at Japan's National Novice event. They only do free skates. But their skaters are ridiculously well trained. You can see that they will be a ladies powerhouse for years to come.

 

[Mango]

Some news

Kaitlyn and Andrew are in NYC
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNf_c7qFe9i/

Javier & Johnny Weir are also there
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNf_UOzAZay/

Tessa's getting a new dress made
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNfJkZnBDrs/

Some Cricket kids ready for Challenge
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNZ4_yijlaR/

Alaine is going to be at Holiday on Ice with Shawn Sawyer, Jeff Buttle, Meryl & Charlie, etc.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNfIyawg7vN/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNfjVKShp5i/

This is like possibly the first (non-club) ice show she's part of. Have a good time Alaine!

 

[4everchan]

^^^ woot!!!! go alaine in her first (non-club) ice show!!!!!

 

[lyndichee]

Fair enough. :agree: Loved reading your thoughts!

Thanks gravy! I liked reading your's too. Even though we disagree we can hash it out nicely! I am always happy to elaborate and revisit my own written thoughts. Post long and often

 

[Skatergal101]

lol there are enough american threads I think having one for Canadians is great so I do agree while posting their stats is nice, I don't care to see it in this thread either!

 

[mrrice]

Some news

Kaitlyn and Andrew are in NYC
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNf_c7qFe9i/

Javier & Johnny Weir are also there
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNf_UOzAZay/

Tessa's getting a new dress made
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNfJkZnBDrs/

Some Cricket kids ready for Challenge
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNZ4_yijlaR/

Alaine is going to be at Holiday on Ice with Shawn Sawyer, Jeff Buttle, Meryl & Charlie, etc.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNfIyawg7vN/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNfjVKShp5i/

This is like possibly the first (non-club) ice show she's part of. Have a good time Alaine!

Isn't Shawn that cute boy with the big spirals? I don't suppose this show will be heading to the west coast.....

 

[Osmond4gold]

Isn't Shawn that cute boy with the big spirals? I don't suppose this show will be heading to the west coast.....

Yes Mr. Rice...Shawn is a Maritime boy from New Brunswick, who was well known for his Cirque de Soleil spins and positions, including his spirals. A more flexible man on skates you will not meet!

 

[Mango]

Isn't Shawn that cute boy with the big spirals? I don't suppose this show will be heading to the west coast.....

Alas, it won't go out of Alberta. It's a strange, two show event. At least I hope we get some videos.

Speaking of Shawn, some of you may enjoy this video from Rock the Ice 6 in Peterborough this January: https://youtu.be/-utk6tgNT4s
He's so cool.

 

[mrrice]

Alas, it won't go out of Alberta. It's a strange, two show event. At least I hope we get some videos.

Speaking of Shawn, some of you may enjoy this video from Rock the Ice 6 in Peterborough this January: https://youtu.be/-utk6tgNT4s
He's so cool.

He's still as great as ever. They were all great. Thanks for posting that clip.

 

[chuckm]

We do not need to compare scores with US Sectionals because the judging is quite different. Just have a look at PCS and you'll understand.

Canadian PCS scores are displayed in raw format, rather than in the familiar ISU format where the raw score is divided by the factor. That is the ONLY difference between Canadian PCS scores and US PCS scores, which are displayed in ISU format. There is NO difference in judging.

I did compare the PCS scores of the top two US and Canadian Novices (converting the Canadian score to ISU format). Considering the difference in jump content, the scores make sense. Other US skaters with content similar to Carle's had PCS similar to hers.

CARLE 2A+3T, 3Lo+2T, 3S+2T, 3Lo, 3S, 3T, 2A PCS: 4.90 4.25 4.75 4.50 4.50

KALYAN 3f, 3z+2t, 3s, 3f^2a, 3z, 3t+2t PCS: 5.45 4.90 5.20 5.15 5.25

 

[Mango]

Canadian PCS scores are displayed in raw format, rather than in the familiar ISU format where the raw score is divided by the factor. That is the ONLY difference between Canadian PCS scores and US PCS scores, which are displayed in ISU format. There is NO difference in judging.

I did compare the PCS scores of the top two US and Canadian Novices (converting the Canadian score to ISU format). Considering the difference in jump content, the scores make sense. Other US skaters with content similar to Carle's had PCS similar to hers.

CARLE 2A+3T, 3Lo+2T, 3S+2T, 3Lo, 3S, 3T, 2A PCS: 4.90 4.25 4.75 4.50 4.50

KALYAN 3f, 3z+2t, 3s, 3f^2a, 3z, 3t+2t PCS: 5.45 4.90 5.20 5.15 5.25

chuckm I am going to ask you to stop mentioning US skaters in this thread. Consider this my final post on this matter. Thank you.