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Thank you Mango...My Queen!
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2016-2017 State of Canadian Figure Skating
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Thank you Mango...My Queen!
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By the way, I didn't know Kaetlyn had such a cute kitty! https://www.instagram.com/p/BNVh1Bxjs6L/
FINE. Then please will you clarify your statement about PCS and judging. You implied that PCS shows US judging is different from Canadian judging, when in fact there is no difference, it is only the PCS FORMAT that is different. The only way I could illustrate that was to show two sets of scores.
Perhaps you could better explain that in words.
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You just illustrated my point, did you not? What more explanation do you need?______
Lajoie/Lagha look improved from the JGP. Actually hitting some levels. Patrice was pleased with them. You guys should check out their fun SD if you can. Also Bausback got her 3L-3T.
Haven't seen Joanne that happy with a junior skater in a while....
Thanks chuck... not sure why we need the US nationals score in the Canadian thread but thanks
syl20c posted Canadian scores, mentioning it was a new Canadian record. chuckm posts US scores in an attempt to "devalue" the Canadian accomplishments. It's the "hey! look at us, we are better" mentality. The fact he is comparing scores between different events, or it is out of place in a thread about Canadian skating, is ignored. This is another of his posting patterns I have notice in the past.
Maybe you should be asking WHY the scores are so different. It comes down to top skaters competing against top skaters on a regular basis. In the US, even at club competitions, you never have 3-4 groups of 30-40 skaters competing en masse the way you do in Canada. In the US, each of those groups get whittled down to 4-5 skaters, then the top skaters from each group compete against each other in a final.
Every competition is handled this way. Skaters know what they have to do to be at the top of their level, and it's a strong incentive to see those top skaters close at hand.
Why do you think the Russian ladies are so successful? They take the US system up several levels and have the top skaters compete against each other day in and day out all season long, and those with the best stats get the prize international assignments.
Canada has several talented juniors that could go far. Bausback and Gran have the technical nailed down, but they lack refinement of movement and presentation skills. Cotop has presentation skills in spades, but isn't as technically proficient. There are others slightly below these three that have the potential to be competitive with them if they had the chance to actually compete with them on a regular basis.
The reality is international competition is tough, and it is tougher when skaters aren't used to competing against skaters with equal or better skills.
Every competition is handled this way. Skaters know what they have to do to be at the top of their level, and it's a strong incentive to see those top skaters close at hand.
Why do you think the Russian ladies are so successful? They take the US system up several levels and have the top skaters compete against each other day in and day out all season long, and those with the best stats get the prize international assignments.
Canada has several talented juniors that could go far. Bausback and Gran have the technical nailed down, but they lack refinement of movement and presentation skills. Cotop has presentation skills in spades, but isn't as technically proficient. There are others slightly below these three that have the potential to be competitive with them if they had the chance to actually compete with them on a regular basis.
The reality is international competition is tough, and it is tougher when skaters aren't used to competing against skaters with equal or better skills.
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From Chuckm,Why do you think the Russian ladies are so successful? They take the US system up several levels and have the top skaters compete against each other day in and day out all season long, and those with the best stats get the prize international assignments.
Well, I can't speak for skating but, I can tell you from experience why their Professional Ballet and other types of Dancer's are so successful, it's their work ethic. I've said this before but, I was a very serious dancer and I loved that the Russian dancers I worked with, and around, took their careers very seriously. In all my years of touring, I have only cried twice when leaving a Country. Russia and Canada and it was because of the people I met. I am very loyal to my favorites, maybe to a fault especially when it comes to Patrick and Plushy. I don't fight with posters about them anymore but, there were times in the past that I have. People who are elite at a solo activity of any kind be it singles skating, singing, or playing a musical instrument, know how lonely it can be when you're preparing for an event or recital. Lonely days in a freezing rink, or a tiny practice room at the studio, or in my case, down a dark hallway at CSUN. I bet Bebe Liang could tell you about the Practice Rooms at CSUN, frightening! :eeking:
These athlete's make it look easy but, it can be very draining both physically and mentally.
Well, I can't speak for skating but, I can tell you from experience why their Professional Ballet and other types of Dancer's are so successful, it's their work ethic. I've said this before but, I was a very serious dancer and I loved that the Russian dancers I worked with, and around, took their careers very seriously. In all my years of touring, I have only cried twice when leaving a Country. Russia and Canada and it was because of the people I met. I am very loyal to my favorites, maybe to a fault especially when it comes to Patrick and Plushy. I don't fight with posters about them anymore but, there were times in the past that I have. People who are elite at a solo activity of any kind be it singles skating, singing, or playing a musical instrument, know how lonely it can be when you're preparing for an event or recital. Lonely days in a freezing rink, or a tiny practice room at the studio, or in my case, down a dark hallway at CSUN. I bet Bebe Liang could tell you about the Practice Rooms at CSUN, frightening! :eeking:
These athlete's make it look easy but, it can be very draining both physically and mentally.
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mrrice you are onto something here.
I could make so many excuses as to why we really aren't that competitive in Senior Ladies on the world stage. We should be leaders in the sport. We really need to examine our funding and the organization behind it. We have some of the best facilities in the world, the best coaches and very, very talented skaters. Unfortunately the bank of Mom and Dad is falling short in most instances for a skater not reaching the top. A sad but true reality.
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Maybe someone who a keener on stats can start a thread comparing advanced novice results around the World. If I wanted to compare our Canadian novice women to other skaters in the World I'd choose the Russians and Novice A ladies of Japan. I'd throw in some South Korean ladies too, primarily Young You. Because those ladies actually move up to juniors and make an impact on the JGP, even qualifying for JGP Final. Canadian girls should aspire to be as technically proficient and complete packages as some of those ladies. But I have no interest in doing comparisons as I keep learning (thanks to posters like TGee and nadster) that our systems are indeed changing to encourage the ladies to be more competitive. It's like a rebuilding phase. Few teams in the NHL are Stanley Cup qualifiers when they are rebuilding, to throw in a hockey analogy for the Canadians.
Junior pairs is going on now right now at Challenge. Let's see how some of these pairs do after their SPs. Senior pairs will be happening too. Can't wait to see the new and improved KM-T/MM again. Yesterday was awesome. :thumbsup:
Junior pairs is going on now right now at Challenge. Let's see how some of these pairs do after their SPs. Senior pairs will be happening too. Can't wait to see the new and improved KM-T/MM again. Yesterday was awesome. :thumbsup:
Competing against similar skilled skaters is invaluable experience. Competing outside your habitual system is also so important. A perfect example of this is Olivia Gran's JGP this year with her music troubles. It was so sad to watch it unfold. Our skaters have since trained for that very occurrence, injury and live interview. The COS Sectionals had a veteran broadcaster interview all the medalists, some were great, some were not. It takes a village to make a skater!
Maybe someone who a keener on stats can start a thread comparing advanced novice results around the World. If I wanted to compare our Canadian novice women to other skaters in the World I'd choose the Russians and Novice A ladies of Japan. I'd throw in some South Korean ladies too, primarily Young You. Because those ladies actually move up to juniors and make an impact on the JGP, even qualifying for JGP Final. Canadian girls should aspire to be as technically proficient and complete packages as some of those ladies. But I have no interest in doing comparisons as I keep learning (thanks to posters like TGee and nadster) that our systems are indeed changing to encourage the ladies to be more competitive. It's like a rebuilding phase. Few teams in the NHL are Stanley Cup qualifiers when they are rebuilding, to throw in a hockey analogy for the Canadians.
Junior pairs is going on now right now at Challenge. Let's see how some of these pairs do after their SPs. Senior pairs will be happening too. Can't wait to see the new and improved KM-T/MM again. Yesterday was awesome. :thumbsup:
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Not too many years ago, a 2Lz combo meant you won pre-novice ladies freeskate. Now if you don't have 2 triples and 2As, you don't stand a chance of getting out of COS! The bonus points achieved that feat. This year, the 2 point bonus for the triple as a second jump in a combo meant that we saw many more 2T3T attempts and triple/triple in NOVICE! We are definitely on the right track!
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yeah, I always thought it was strange that Canada has the best choreographers and coaches, but I can think of no canadian lady skater that has been really good. And you guys have all the ice up north, haha. Strange....
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don't worry you Canadians....everything goes in a cycle. Someday, a Canadian lady skater will rise up and trump the Russians and Japanese. Look at us, our ladies have struggled since Michelle Kwan, but it's getting worse and worse. I do see a glimmer of hope with two or three US lady skaters, two are juniors, one is still a novice....and the same can probably be said of the Canadian girls. So don't lose hope.
btw, I really like Alain Chartrand. She is my favorite for the Canadian senior ladies. I hope she can get over those jumps.
btw, I really like Alain Chartrand. She is my favorite for the Canadian senior ladies. I hope she can get over those jumps.
Joannie Rochette was excellent. But ya, none of our ladies on the big podiums in a long time. I think we have real potential with all 3 of our current top ladies.
Very deep field right now, deeper than it has been in years, all the way down to Novice. The future is bright.
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I agree 100% about the bank situation. Is Genie Bouchard still popular in Canada? I remember a couple of seasons ago when she made it to the Finals or Semi Finals of 3 Majors including the Wimbledon Final. I think she also Won Wimbledon as a Junior and was really one of the most popular athletes on tour in 2014. She was on the cover of several magazines here in the US and I can imagine she was twice as popular in Canada. I'm not sure why but, she has fallen out of the top 10 and didn't make the year end championships for the second year in a row. In any case, I believe Genie's Parents were quite well off and could afford to pay for what ever Genie needed until she made her breakthrough. Even if she quit today, she's made more than most people make in a lifetime. One last thing about Genie, She is an Amazon!! Seriously, when I saw her at the pre event press party at Indian Wells, I couldn't believe how tall she was. She could easily model and so could her sister Beatrice. I remember when that dork asked her do a twirl for the crowd.......Embarrassing. Here's a picture of the top 8 players at the WTA Finals in 2014 Genie is second from the right. Ana Ivanovic is on her right and she is 6ft 1"
Here's the clip. Believe it or not, this became a mini scandal here in the US.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbz-J8njGkI
A tennis player who makes the 4th Round at Wimbledon makes $132,000 for LOSING! Genie became a Millionaire just by making the final at Wimbledon as that's what the runner-up was paid. How much will the Medalists at Canadian Nationals receive for their victories? Is it enough to fund their training for next season? I just realized that I never posted the picture of the WTA finalists. Genie is second from the right. http://sport360.com/wp-content/uploads/articles5/media-27631.gif
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Yes Alaine is so easily likeable. Personally, i think her biggest hurdle is she seems to rush through her elements and performances. It is a hard habit to break. It's doable but it takes real focus. Reminds me of a coach of Carolina Kostner saying they had to make her slow down because her extreme speed was making all of her elements unstable. I think I am remembering that correctly. Similar situation. I think if they start there, things will change. And of course, she can easily skate "lights out" too. Hahaha. Due credit
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Yes Alaine is so easily likeable. Personally, i think her biggest hurdle is she seems to rush through her elements and performances. It is a hard habit to break. It's doable but it takes real focus. Reminds me of a coach of Carolina Kostner saying they had to make her slow down because her extreme speed was making all of her elements unstable. I think I am remembering that correctly. Similar situation. I think if they start there, things will change. And of course, she can easily skate "lights out" too. Hahaha. Due credit
yes, definitely, she really grabbed my attention with her Gone with the Wind program. I think she was assigned two grand prixs to that program, and both times she faltered with her jumps, but her performance factor was amazing. Then, I think after those two failed attempts, she delivered the skate of her life to that program, I believe it was at your Canadian Nationals. If she can stay on her feet, she can be right up there with the top medalists.
Yes, she was recently named Canada's top female player. She was very popular at the Rio Olympics, at least among the male Brazilian fans.
. Long lines of Brazilians waiting for autographs and selfies. One guy in the crowd got a chuckle from her when he shouted "marry me". 
ETA: At the 3:11 mark...https://youtu.be/J70Hir45nz4#t=3m05s
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