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A tennis player who makes the 4th Round at Wimbledon makes $132,000 for LOSING! Genie became a Millionaire just by making the final at Wimbledon as that's what the runner-up was paid. How much will the Medalists as Canadian Nationals receive for their victories? Is it enough to fund their training for next season?

Great point. :(

Figure skating doesn't in any way fund it's skaters even at the elite level. And I don't see how the sport can continue to be competitive in North America if a way isn't found to generate revenue that flows back to fund skaters at all levels.

Training as a skater costs more annually than a US private university tuition, even at the novice level. Patrick Chan's annual training costs are in the 100s not 10s of thousands of dollars. And the long term income prospects for skating are low now that the professional competitions are gone, as are the major travelling shows other than Stars on Ice.

Carded athletes in Canada, that is national team members with the maximum funding, receive CDN$18,000 per year Canadian from Sport Canada to support "the additional expenses of being an elite athlete." I believe that this has not been increased in several years.

Skaters on the podium at nationals do receive modest amounts, but these are withheld if they are already carded. As she cannot be carded since she is not yet a permanent resident in Canada, Lubov Ilyushechkina was able to retain the reportedly $11,000 she received for a bronze placement at nationals 2016.

And while I believe that the skaters can retain their Grand Prix winnings without losing carding, private fundraising from gofundme and other mechanisms reportedly can jeopardize this very modest Sport Canada funding. Income from shows is permitted, so there's a risk of skaters spending too much time touring in shows just to fund their training.

Sport Canada does provide funding to Skate Canada and other national sport federations that they use to fund travel to competitions and training for world and major multi-sport events including the Olympics, Pan Am games, and Commonwealth games under the "Own the Podium" program. But juniors may have to pay part of their and their coaches travel costs, not to mention buying out their coaches time away from other skaters during the trip.

Training costs in some provinces are lower due to many subsidized facilities. I have heard that ice time in Quebec is, for example, much less expensive as clubs have access to low cost facilities.
 
yes, definitely, she really grabbed my attention with her Gone with the Wind program. I think she was assigned two grand prixs to that program, and both times she faltered with her jumps, but her performance factor was amazing. Then, I think after those two failed attempts, she delivered the skate of her life to that program, I believe it was at your Canadian Nationals. If she can stay on her feet, she can be right up there with the top medalists.

The reason Alaine's GWTW FS program didn't succeed in the GP last season was she began each FS with a 3a try which failed, and derailed the rest of her performance. She wisely hasn't gone for the 3a since then.
 
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So how about that Stephen Gogolev eh? Novice mens national champion last season, and now this season's junior men's Challenge champion! Still only eleven years old. Team Orser has their hands on such potential in this young man. He's definitely one to watch.
 
So how about that Stephen Gogolev eh? Novice mens national champion last season, and now this season's junior men's Challenge champion! Still only eleven years old. Team Orser has their hands on such potential in this young man. He's definitely one to watch.

Not sure how they have it up on dailymotion given SC hasn't apparently got it up, but Stephen Gogolev's fan blog has posted his Challenge FS here...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5...-2017-skate-canada-challenge-free-skate_sport
 
Why do you think the Russian ladies are so successful? They take the US system up several levels and have the top skaters compete against each other day in and day out all season long, and those with the best stats get the prize international assignments.

Russian system is successful because figure skating is a mass sport over there just like a soccer here. It cost peanuts and government heavily subsidize the sport. An elite skaters there is treated like celebrity, showered with respect, recognition and money.
 
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I believe Genie's Parents were quite well off and could afford to pay for what ever Genie needed until she made her breakthrough. Even if she quit today, she's made more than most people make in a lifetime.

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A tennis player who makes the 4th Round at Wimbledon makes $132,000 for LOSING! Genie became a Millionaire just by making the final at Wimbledon as that's what the runner-up was paid. How much will the Medalists at Canadian Nationals receive for their victories? Is it enough to fund their training for next season? I just realized that I never posted the picture of the WTA finalists. Genie is second from the right. http://sport360.com/wp-content/uploads/articles5/media-27631.gif

Her dad got investors to fund her when she was nine in exchange for a portion of her future earning. A judge ended up voiding that, since she was too young to agree to that. She has also been funded by Tennis Canada since she was a teenager.

But all that money comes because tennis is an extremely popular sport. It's put up by the individual tournaments, not by the country federations and then she made a lot through endorsements. It's completely separate from the countries funding. Tennis players are some of the highest paid athletes because it's one of the most popular sports, so it's not really comparable to Skate Canada and stuff.

Which isn't to say funding our figure skaters isn't important.
 
People, please don't even compare tennis to skating. Skating funded by skaters and their parents, tennis - by spectators and advertising companies.
 
Yeah tennis cannot be compared. There's a reason why the highest paid female athletes according to Forbes are only tennis stars. Only Kim Yuna can break the top 10 and that is abnormality.
 
Here's a blog report on SC Challenge

http://culturess.com/2016/12/05/skate-canada-challenge-sets-skaters-canadian-nationals/

And would encourage folks to take a look at the Challenge results thread that dorispulaski so graciously set up and populated.

It has links for each skater from the scores in the table to SC's live scoring with the layouts and raw scores for each element etc. Doris cautions that the links to live scoring will only work as long as SC keeps them posted, so enjoy them soon. (The links to the protocols on SC's Challenge page will stay up for at least a year, but are cumbersome.)
 
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Her dad got investors to fund her when she was nine in exchange for a portion of her future earning. A judge ended up voiding that, since she was too young to agree to that. She has also been funded by Tennis Canada since she was a teenager.

But all that money comes because tennis is an extremely popular sport. It's put up by the individual tournaments, not by the country federations and then she made a lot through endorsements. It's completely separate from the countries funding. Tennis players are some of the highest paid athletes because it's one of the most popular sports, so it's not really comparable to Skate Canada and stuff.

Which isn't to say funding our figure skaters isn't important.

This is a an interesting story but, it's not the same with all the players. Venus and Serena were famously poor when they were learning to play and being taught to play on public courts in Compton, California. They started to get sponsors when they were in their early teens because they were winning tournaments. They received ZERO dollars from the USTA and that's one of the reasons their Father was treated so poorly by the WTA and some of the other Coaches and Parents of the players. They didn't come from a "Club" and their Father didn't allow them to play for a school team. Both girls were told by their Father that they were not socialize with players from the WTA and they listened. They were painted as rude and unfriendly. Venus was much quieter on and off the court than Serena and it was Serena who was on court when Venus and her Father showed up to watch her play Kim Clijsters in the Final at Indian Wells.

I was in the audience when this happened and I was so embarrassed by the way the crowd behaved. The crowd was booing because Venus and Serena were supposed to have played each other in the Semi Finals and Venus pulled out sighting an arm injury 1 hour before the match leaving thousands upset as the match was cancelled. It would be like having Med fall on a jump during the warmup and pulling out the GPF. Here's a short clip of the crowd booing when Venus and her Father show up to see Serena play Kim in the Final. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcUcTMdn4dE
 
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This is a an interesting story but, it's not the same with all the players. Venus and Serena were famously poor when they were learning to play and being taught to play on public courts in Compton, California. They started to get sponsors when they were in their early teens because they were winning tournaments. They received ZERO dollars from the USTA and that's one of the reasons their Father was treated so poorly by the WTA and some of the other Coaches and Parents of the players. They didn't come from a "Club" and their Father didn't allow them to play for a school team. Both girls were told by their Father that they were not socialize with players from the WTA and they listened. They were painted as rude and unfriendly. Venus was much quieter on and off the court than Serena and it was Serena who was on court when Venus and her Father showed up to watch her play Kim Clijsters in the Final at Indian Wells.

I was in the audience when this happened and I was so embarrassed by the way the crowd behaved. The crowd was booing because Venus and Serena were supposed to have played each other in the Semi Finals and Venus pulled out sighting an arm injury 1 hour before the match leaving thousands upset as the match was cancelled. It would be like having Med fall on a jump during the warmup and pulling out the GPF. Here's a short clip of the crowd booing when Venus and her Father show up to see Serena play Kim in the Final. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcUcTMdn4dE

Obviously not. You brought up Genie, so my response was just about her. I just don't understand what that has to do with national funding in figure skating when as others have mentioned the money comes mostly from different places.
 
Obviously not. You brought up Genie, so my response was just about her. I just don't understand what that has to do with national funding in figure skating when as others have mentioned the money comes mostly from different places.

You'll have to go back and read through the thread. We were talking about funding and the drastic difference in the amount of money that top athletes are paid in different sports. A skater who places 8th at Worlds makes a very small amount of money. A tennis player who makes the round of 16 and LOSES makes over $100,000. We were discussing how difficult it must be for the Families to fund a skaters training. It was based on our love for the Canadian ladies.....:agree:
 
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okay... let's move back to skating guys.. :)

regarding tennis.. let's not forget that these players are responsible for the team as well... which travels with them every single week to tournaments. if the top 20 makes a good living (and the stars a fortune) playing tennis, anyone outside the top 50 is just making ends meet.

Should sport be funded more by the government? That's a whole other debate and I'd suggest that it goes in another thread if you guys are interested :) simply because it has a lot of political implications and should probably be held in the café section of the forum ;)
 
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That is wonderful, but we need to see Gaby to fix her 3Lz+3T to be compatible internationally against Russians and Japanese. Bring on real jumps ladies. Kudos to Sarah Tamura for trying it.

I don't think she quite needs the 3Lz-3T... there's only a 1 point BV advantage for Gabby in the SP if she were to switch her jumps around... and she wouldn't get +3 GOEs on the combo and especially not on the 3F, which is the jump she has the most difficulty with... I think it's much much better for her to stick with the gorgeous 3t-3t, and have 2 3Lz in the rest of the program....

If you look at Medvedeva : no lutz in the short.
Repeated jumps in the FP : 3F and 3T

Liza : same as Gabby pretty much

Who are the ladies doing 2 lutzes and 2 flips in the LP ???? I'd be curious to know.

Anna I think does 2 lutzes and 2 loops which is slightly above in BV

Wakaba does twice the 3Lz-3T combo... no advantage BV wise here.

So I am not sure really that it is necessary for Gabby to go back to the combo that isn't getting her as much points and risk a fall on the 3Flip or worse a pop in the SP...
 
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I don't think she quite needs the 3Lz-3T... there's only a 1 point BV advantage for Gabby in the SP if she were to switch her jumps around... and she wouldn't get +3 GOEs on the combo and especially not on the 3F, which is the jump she has the most difficulty with... I think it's much much better for her to stick with the gorgeous 3t-3t, and have 2 3Lz in the rest of the program....

If you look at Medvedeva : no lutz in the short.
Repeated jumps in the FP : 3F and 3T

Liza : same as Gabby pretty much

Who are the ladies doing 2 lutzes and 2 flips in the LP ???? I'd be curious to know.

Anna I think does 2 lutzes and 2 loops which is slightly above in BV

Wakaba does twice the 3Lz-3T combo... no advantage BV wise here.

So I am not sure really that it is necessary for Gabby to go back to the combo that isn't getting her as much points and risk a fall on the 3Flip or worse a pop in the SP...

Speaking of other threads, there was one recently on the edge regarding ladies with true, clean 3Lz, of whom very few were identified current or past...

And the consensus seems to be that number who have both a true flip and a true lutz is vanishingly small....

When edge calls and carrots were not a risk, going for both 3F and 3Lz even without clean edges seemed a good strategy to increase BV. And it has worked for certain ladies.

But that time is past. Sure a skater can play roulette on the tech panel this season, hoping that the calls will be lax. Don't expect that to continue, and it doesn't seem a good strategy to build consistent success.

So, it looks like Gabby, who is the woman who had the first across the board +3 GOE on the 3T-3T should take the Orser strategy of maximizing GOE where she can, while her competitors come to terms with the new stricter trend in judging triples.
 
Of course you can go with easy jumps 3T+3T, but it shows that skater is lacking skills or uncompleted somehow. High class skater can do it, lower - can't.
 
Chartrand goes for 3z+3t, 3f, and 3z in her FS and she gets dinged hard because she tends to 2-foot her jumps, especially her combos. Gabby's 3t+3t is huge and impressive, and IMO she is smart to start her FS with a big trick that grabs the judges' attention in a positive way.
 
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