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Hmm, download is forbidden and it gives an error page on opening. Any chance you could upload that somewhere else?
2016-17 State of Russian Ladies skating
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Hmm, download is forbidden and it gives an error page on opening. Any chance you could upload that somewhere else?
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https://vimeo.com/207857632 try this one
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Yes, that works just fine, thank you! And lovely!
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Looking at the Russian ladies for worlds, I say Anna and Evgenia look pretty solid. Still, Anna is somewhat unpredictable..... Maria, well, I think she has a podium shot, with her difficult content. But it'll depend on the caller. What if it's shin amaro? And not medaling at Europeans kinda hurt her. She didn't get a PCS boost. I find Maria kind of boring, but of course this I just my opinion. I still expect maybe top 4. Her underrotations have been ignored sometimes. Evgenia will run away with the title. No doubt at all.
Masha won a JGPF with Amano as Technical Specialist...
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I think Maria's underrotation issues came up after her dramatic growth. For some reason, I still think her first junior year was the best year for her, jump and speed wise.
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yes. agree
she used to fully rotate all of her jumps.
And she is capable of doing it now if she skates more accurate.
Her dramatic growth happened in her junior years (and a knee injury) bringing scratch landing and many problems for sure but not affected her in the "rotations department" . Her sudden ur issues in the senior debut year well explained here http://www.sport-express.ru/figure-...u-nichego-nevozmozhnogo-v-sporte-net-1082752/
Looking at what happened with Russian ladies at JW -- wonder if there is anything the Russian system could do to help skaters achieve a longer term view to their careers and to allow them to peak and ebb in ways that they can deliver the best performances at the right times.
JSF, for all their failings in how they are treating Satoko, placed their confidence in Marin despite her failing to deliver 2 clean programs through JGP and also less than desired performances at Nationals. And she peaked at the right place and time but that was after a really slow season. Kaori would have been dropped as a junior 2 years ago if she were Russian but now she is having the season of her life and bringing much needed consistency to the Japanese team. Mai also stayed in juniors for an extra year, and despite being less "famous" out the gate, she has been one of the more solid seniors this season. Rin Nitaya is another late bloomer being still junior at 19, but she got silver at Winter Universiade.
In contrast, Russia seems to have lots of bursts of short term talent. Prior to this, at least we had a star per year but sadly for Polina, injury disrupted even her first full year. And she still has the goods, as she won Russian Cup Final just a few weeks ago. Between Nastia and Stasya, they have been see sawing with one up at JGP and the other up at Nationals. Nugumanova was so promising last year and then her form has been in free fall since JGPF. Hoping that Daria Panenkova can keep it up till her first JGP. To have so many more promising juniors than other countries but hardly any who can survive to (or past) their senior debut year is speaking loads of how the Russian system is burning their girls out at 15 and 16. Ironically it is Anna, who was playing second fiddle to Yulia & Lena, who has the staying power to remain competitive at age 18. Really hoping that the current group of juniors are allowed enough breathing space to develop & grow, rather than being spent right after Jr Nats.
JSF, for all their failings in how they are treating Satoko, placed their confidence in Marin despite her failing to deliver 2 clean programs through JGP and also less than desired performances at Nationals. And she peaked at the right place and time but that was after a really slow season. Kaori would have been dropped as a junior 2 years ago if she were Russian but now she is having the season of her life and bringing much needed consistency to the Japanese team. Mai also stayed in juniors for an extra year, and despite being less "famous" out the gate, she has been one of the more solid seniors this season. Rin Nitaya is another late bloomer being still junior at 19, but she got silver at Winter Universiade.
In contrast, Russia seems to have lots of bursts of short term talent. Prior to this, at least we had a star per year but sadly for Polina, injury disrupted even her first full year. And she still has the goods, as she won Russian Cup Final just a few weeks ago. Between Nastia and Stasya, they have been see sawing with one up at JGP and the other up at Nationals. Nugumanova was so promising last year and then her form has been in free fall since JGPF. Hoping that Daria Panenkova can keep it up till her first JGP. To have so many more promising juniors than other countries but hardly any who can survive to (or past) their senior debut year is speaking loads of how the Russian system is burning their girls out at 15 and 16. Ironically it is Anna, who was playing second fiddle to Yulia & Lena, who has the staying power to remain competitive at age 18. Really hoping that the current group of juniors are allowed enough breathing space to develop & grow, rather than being spent right after Jr Nats.
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Actually, just thought of a couple of ideas:
1. Junior and Senior Worlds team selection to be based on an average score from the following comps: Jr / Sr GP, JGPF / GPF, and Junior / Senior Nationals (whichever of these apply). This protects skaters from going for broke on a single competition (i.e. Nationals) and burning out later. (This would have helped Nastia.)
2. Priority for senior age eligible skaters who have top 75 SB scores last season but missed the cut for senior GP to get priority for 2 Senior B (Challenger Series) competitions. This helps late bloomers who may still have the potential to qualify for GP to stay in the game, rack up world standings points, and come up to GP in the event of injury / decline of current GP competitors. (This will help both Alisa's -- Fedichkina & Lozko -- save their international careers and turn senior next season).
3. Bring forward junior level Russian Cup comps to the summer before JGP assignments. This way, girls who show a spurt in ability / form after last year's Junior Nats don't have to wait an extra year to get into JGP, and thus help them rack up world standings points earlier. (This would have helped Stasya, Alisa L., and Daria Panenkova).
4. Winter Universiade assignments to go to age eligible skaters who participated in Nationals but did not get senior GP or CS assignments -- this gives skaters like Diana Pervushkina an international level goal to aspire to & can spur them on to continue improving through their late teen's.
5. Medalists at Sr Nats / Jr Nats / Zhuk Memorial to get automatic priority for JGP or CS assignments in the following season, if they do not qualify for 2 senior GP assignments already. This acknowledges that Nationals are highly competitive and anyone who has achieved the feat of medaling deserves a foot in the door to build an international career without having to prove themselves again & again in endless domestic comps. (This would have helped Stasya -- being ill at Jr Nats and for 3+ weeks after, and still trying to compete at Russian Cup Final in the meantime, has hurt rather than helped her form & condition for JW. It could also help Tarakanova, Vasilieva and Scherbakova, who all tanked / missed Jr Nats but are killing it on the subsequent domestic comps).
1. Junior and Senior Worlds team selection to be based on an average score from the following comps: Jr / Sr GP, JGPF / GPF, and Junior / Senior Nationals (whichever of these apply). This protects skaters from going for broke on a single competition (i.e. Nationals) and burning out later. (This would have helped Nastia.)
2. Priority for senior age eligible skaters who have top 75 SB scores last season but missed the cut for senior GP to get priority for 2 Senior B (Challenger Series) competitions. This helps late bloomers who may still have the potential to qualify for GP to stay in the game, rack up world standings points, and come up to GP in the event of injury / decline of current GP competitors. (This will help both Alisa's -- Fedichkina & Lozko -- save their international careers and turn senior next season).
3. Bring forward junior level Russian Cup comps to the summer before JGP assignments. This way, girls who show a spurt in ability / form after last year's Junior Nats don't have to wait an extra year to get into JGP, and thus help them rack up world standings points earlier. (This would have helped Stasya, Alisa L., and Daria Panenkova).
4. Winter Universiade assignments to go to age eligible skaters who participated in Nationals but did not get senior GP or CS assignments -- this gives skaters like Diana Pervushkina an international level goal to aspire to & can spur them on to continue improving through their late teen's.
5. Medalists at Sr Nats / Jr Nats / Zhuk Memorial to get automatic priority for JGP or CS assignments in the following season, if they do not qualify for 2 senior GP assignments already. This acknowledges that Nationals are highly competitive and anyone who has achieved the feat of medaling deserves a foot in the door to build an international career without having to prove themselves again & again in endless domestic comps. (This would have helped Stasya -- being ill at Jr Nats and for 3+ weeks after, and still trying to compete at Russian Cup Final in the meantime, has hurt rather than helped her form & condition for JW. It could also help Tarakanova, Vasilieva and Scherbakova, who all tanked / missed Jr Nats but are killing it on the subsequent domestic comps).
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I really hope Eteri and her team will give Polina warm support and help her adapt to the "transitioning period". She is too good to be just a "short-term talent." hope that she can overcome all the difficulties/injuries/growth spurt. I wanna see her being healthy and confident again
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I just cannot agree with this analysis. There are thousands of certified young girls in Russia with level 3 (maximum I could achieve myself as a skater) and higher. And all of them are aspiring to be OGM. Why should the FED pick up someone and lead her through despite anything if there are just 3 spots in the team? It's plain simple - you have a shot to get to the Nationals and you have to show your best at the Nationals. Then you are at the team. If Gubanova skated like she did during JGP she would have got in the team, no doubts. She would have taken Stasya's place. What happened to Polina we don't know. But it was a no-brainer that she is on the team if she is well.
Russia is giving chances to those who keep going. Alena is still in the mix. Liza keeps bombing and still keeps competing. And if Yulia comes back from her injuries she still has a chance to make a splash. I just don't see what Japan is doing better, sorry.
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totally agree.
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Agree with your agreement. Russian fed didn't intentionally "drop" anyone, with more talents, they are competing for the same three spots so some skaters are bound to be short lived. They didn't "drop" Stasya or Anna. If a skater loses her jump, she drops herself out. Maria also stayed on the junior level for three years, and is going to Worlds in her first senior year. Polina is 15, and has been going through some rapid height change. Give her two more years to settle down her growth. If Kostner can still deliver at 29, with the right technique, so is Polina. Liza 2.0 turns out to be more of a hype so far. She is good in all areas except for her jumps. Jumps are still the most important thing in skating.
Yes, because Eteri has been so good, patient and supportive towards her skaters who started struggling. Lipnitskaya, Vorornov... I think it is a matter of time before Polina leaves Tutberidze.I really hope Eteri and her team will give Polina warm support and help her adapt to the "transitioning period". She is too good to be just a "short-term talent." hope that she can overcome all the difficulties/injuries/growth spurt. I wanna see her being healthy and confident again
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I really hope Eteri and her team will give Polina warm support and help her adapt to the "transitioning period". She is too good to be just a "short-term talent." hope that she can overcome all the difficulties/injuries/growth spurt. I wanna see her being healthy and confident again
She is such a beautiful and graceful skater.
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