2017 Worlds Preview: Ice Dance

[KKonas]

I think that people overestimate the Shibs technical prowess by a lot. They have shallow edges, poor extension, their posture is good but most of the time they look extremely rigid, they have poor ice coverage in comparison to V/M, P/C, C/B, B/S, W/P, and G/P, little variation in choreography during their FD, and they have extremely open skating (they are literally only skating in hold when they have to be and their hold are very loose. I would complain about this normally because siblings, but since they only skate in hold when they have to, it makes me believe it is a technical issue). They are good at a lot of things, not great. Better than Chock/Bates does not equal best in the world. The only thing that they are truly great at is twizzles and they typically score around the same as other competitors when clean because other pairs have difficult entrances, exits, and variation from year to year.

The Shibs do not have "shallow edges." They are very "quiet" on the ice (no flying ice chips), indicating deep/clean edgework. The ISU actually made an instructional tape for judges on quality edgework featuring the Shibs. Nor do they have "poor ice coverage." You can like their style of skating/choice of music/choreo, or not, but they are a quality team.

 

[royce]

The Shibs do not have "shallow edges." They are very "quiet" on the ice (no flying ice chips), indicating deep/clean edgework. The ISU actually made an instructional tape for judges on quality edgework featuring the Shibs. Nor do they have "poor ice coverage." You can like their style of skating/choice of music/choreo, or not, but they are a quality team.

There have been a lot of people who have commented on how small they actually skate in person, but idk maybe they have improved.

 

[elif]

The ISU actually made an instructional tape for judges on quality edgework featuring the Shibs.

What? They only found Shibs as example? I was curious why their score go up to Virtue/Moir level suddenly. That must be why since ISU judges thinks If ISU made video it must be good. I remembered 2011, ISU tried to explain their judges ''clean skating'' is not mean ''quality skating'' after Shibs bronze medal scandal. After all those things they begin 2012 where they belong.

Shibs have poor ice covarage than their rivals. I'm not counting Virtue/Moir and Papadakis/Cizeron as their rivals of course. Teams like Bobrova/Soloviev, Weaver/Poje have better ice covarage, also have more speed. Other teams use more variation of speed which shows their skating skills better. Shiutanis shallow edges and curveless turns often results as level2 If there is not American/Canadian specialist on the panel. After 4CC, I don't think they will get level4s like candy from canadian specialists anymore. Who is going to be in technical panel for Worlds by the way?

 

[Ares]

I hope so

What if that person meant Stepanova / Bukin?

 

[VIETgrlTerifa]

What? They only found Shibs as example? I was curious why their score go up to Virtue/Moir level suddenly. That must be why since ISU judges thinks If ISU made video it must be good. I remembered 2011, ISU tried to explain their judges ''clean skating'' is not mean ''quality skating'' after Shibs bronze medal scandal. After all those things they begin 2012 where they belong.

Shibs have poor ice covarage than their rivals. I'm not counting Virtue/Moir and Papadakis/Cizeron as their rivals of course. Teams like Bobrova/Soloviev, Weaver/Poje have better ice covarage, also have more speed. Other teams use more variation of speed which shows their skating skills better. Shiutanis shallow edges and curveless turns often results as level2 If there is not American/Canadian specialist on the panel. After 4CC, I don't think they will get level4s like candy from canadian specialists anymore. Who is going to be in technical panel for Worlds by the way?

http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1617/wc2017/SEG007OF.HTM

Technical Controller Ms. Ludmila MIKHAILOVSKAYA
Technical Specialist Mr. Andrzej DOSTATNI
Assistant Technical Specialist Mr. György ELEK

I've been hearing how the Shibs won't get certain levels for the past season and a half now. It can happen as every team can miss levels and have received lower than expected level calls on their footwork this season and throughout their career, but not because it's a special case for the Shibs. If it's not one prediction about them not getting "generous calls" then it's another when the former prediction doesn't pan out.

 

[elif]

http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1617/wc2017/SEG007OF.HTM

Technical Controller Ms. Ludmila MIKHAILOVSKAYA
Technical Specialist Mr. Andrzej DOSTATNI
Assistant Technical Specialist Mr. György ELEK

I've been hearing how the Shibs won't get certain levels for the past season and a half now. It can happen as every team can miss levels and have received lower than expected level calls on their footwork this season and throughout their career, but not because it's a special case for the Shibs. If it's not one prediction about them not getting "generous calls" then it's another when the former prediction doesn't pan out.

Dostatni very skater friendly specialist. We will see very high scores from early groups i think. If you look at his other competitions score sheet full of level3s. I expect many level4s on SD since styleB steps very easy (only five turn) will be easier with Dostatni.

Of course every team lost level here and there. But often it result of twizzle mistake or missing turn. You cannot see other top teams dependable of specialist like Shibs.

 

[VIETgrlTerifa]

Dostatni very skater friendly specialist. We will see very high scores from early groups i think. If you look at his other competitions score sheet full of level3s. I expect many level4s on SD since styleB steps very easy (only five turn) will be easier with Dostatni.

Of course every team lost level here and there. But often it result of twizzle mistake or missing turn. You cannot see other top teams dependable of specialist like Shibs.

The Shibs FW levels are pretty on par with their competition at least ever since Massimo filled the Igor void, but we'll see. . Thanks for your insight on the callers. I hear Elek is tough and gave V/M a level 1 at an early comp during the Sochi season.

 

[Blades of Passion]

What if that person meant Stepanova / Bukin?

I hope they get a well-deserved 10th place finish! Although I think Bobrova/Soloviev should be 10th (and Stepanova/Bukin 9th ) if everyone skates their best. Bobroba/Soloviev would be nowhere without being Russian and having their prior accomplishments, such bland material this season and she is so lacking.

 

[elif]

I hear Elek is tough and gave V/M a level 1 at an early comp during the Sochi season.

It was only rotational lift and Virtue Moir lost level on that lift for next two grand prixs as well. That lift changed a lot in season.

 

[VIETgrlTerifa]

The Shibs do not have "shallow edges." They are very "quiet" on the ice (no flying ice chips), indicating deep/clean edgework. The ISU actually made an instructional tape for judges on quality edgework featuring the Shibs. Nor do they have "poor ice coverage." You can like their style of skating/choice of music/choreo, or not, but they are a quality team.

Do you know if that video is available online?

 

[gmyers]

I hope they get a well-deserved 10th place finish! Although I think Bobrova/Soloviev should be 10th (and Stepanova/Bukin 9th ) if everyone skates their best. Bobroba/Soloviev would be nowhere without being Russian and having their prior accomplishments, such bland material this season and she is so lacking.

Historically judging For a Russian number one team bobrova and soloviev are nowhere. Bronze medalists at euros! How important and impressive !

 

[all that]

Seriously though, what answer can I give that will make feel secure about yourself as the actual answer probably wouldn't be sufficient to do that?

The truth would be fine, as the question had nothing to do with any insecurities on my part. I just find your extreme Shibs uberdom amusing.

 

[VIETgrlTerifa]

The truth would be fine, as the question had nothing to do with any insecurities on my part. I just find your extreme Shibs uberdom amusing.

Yes, I'm sure you're amused. Do you still think V/M are being propped up to artificially give P/C a rivalry?

 

[KMK0902]

V/M are not in their prime anymore, they aren't able to do everything that was possible when they were younger. V/M were technically stronger at the GPF, but Papadakis/Cizeron have improved since then and now they have quite pristine basic skating in addition to their lifts, spins, and overall ability to interweave between positions that require full body movement (going from low to high or vice versa) being superior. Papadakis/Cizeron still have some Short Dance issues where V/M can beat them, but the Free Dance is worth more and that is where they are unmatched. Although their Free Dance is not as flat-out astonishing as last season's, they are still the best.

....In your opinion....In My Humble Opinion V/M are superior both technically and artistically to all teams. They also have the advantage of years and years of competing at the top level.

To say that V/M are "passed their due date" is

 

[Anyasnake]

To say that V/M are "passed their due date" is

Well Grandpa & Granny are doing reeeeaaalllyyyy well

 

[NoNameFace]

....In your opinion....In My Humble Opinion V/M are superior both technically and artistically to all teams. They also have the advantage of years and years of competing at the top level.

To say that V/M are "passed their due date" is

indeed, nothing worse than seasoned, out of their 'best before' date Tessa and Scott being back in competition with way they're skating...yeah, nothing worse for other teams it seems (or more for their fans as I don't think in all honesty that other teams care that much about Tessa/Scott, at least they shouldn't), so what all this fuming is all about? Sometimes I wonder when there will appear theory about doping or bribing judges as explanation of Tessa and Scott's results...

we can dispute for hours which team is better in theory, on the paper, heavily projecting our personal sentiments on actual results. But we'll see who will be the best on ice later this week, ALL teams have to do their best work as the title is not granted

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Tessa and Scott past their prime?!? Haha, I suppose that totally explains their 100% win record prior to Worlds (if they win Worlds, it'll be the first perfect season of their career)...

Not to mention, they're SO past their prime, that they earned career personal bests in the SD and total score at the Grand Prix Final, and a career personal best in the FD at 4CC 2017.

 

[4everchan]

people seem to forget that they are not even the oldest team out there... they were just children in 2010... that's all...

 

[Blades of Passion]

To say that V/M are "passed their due date" is

...but nobody said that.

It's simply a FACT that there are technical moves, such as "the goose", that V/M can not do anymore. Their technical capability is lower now than it used to be. On the other hand, P/C are capable of more right now. Cizeron in particular. P/C have yet to skate their best this season and their programs are also not the best this season (the SD in particular). Yet, it remains that they are the best of the field if they do deliver to their full potential.

 

[nocturnalis]

people seem to forget that they are not even the oldest team out there... they were just children in 2010... that's all...

What do they think of Weaver/Poje, Cappellini/Lanotte, Penny Coomes, Ilya Tkachenko, and various other 27-29 year old ice dancers still competing, or are they just hating on successful people.