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2017-18 State of U.S. Ladies Skating

I think if she wants to address anything, her social media platforms would be more direct and reach a larger audience than another site AMA.

Agree to partially disagree.

If it had never been announced/publicized/promoted in the first place that Gracie would be doing an AMA, then it would be easier for me to agree completely.

I consider myself a fan of Gracie (as well as of many other ladies) ... and I think the fact that she no longer will be doing the AMA as scheduled will potentially only exacerbate curiosity/concern over her state of readiness.
 
What is a another site AMA ?

A another site "Ask me Anything" (Ashley Wagner did one recently, as part of the Team USA series). The another site community asks someone questions, and the person doing the AMA chooses which ones to respond to.

Yeah, I'm mixed on this one. Part of me thinks that there would probably be a good number of "every four years" types of fans who are familiar with Gracie from the last Olympics and would probably be supportive. Though I did chuckle at some of the Ashley questions that were clearly coming from figure skating fans who followed her closely (I recall there being a question about her decision not to compete at 4CC last season). There would probably be a mix of dopey questions, support from both people who follow her closely and don't follow fs so closely, and some blunt uncomfortable questions thrown in.
 
Agree to partially disagree.

If it had never been announced/publicized/promoted in the first place that Gracie would be doing an AMA, then it would be easier for me to agree completely.

I consider myself a fan of Gracie (as well as of many other ladies) ... and I think the fact that she no longer will be doing the AMA as scheduled will potentially only exacerbate curiosity/concern over her state of readiness.

I agree with you that dropping the another site AMA will raise eyebrows higher. At the same time, I'm skeptical any of this will register or stick with anyone who's not already a hardcore fan (who are on red alert anyway).

A break from social media would probably be wise for Gold in the current climate.
 
Being a hardcore Gracie fan is tough right now. I have always loved her skating but if it's something she no longer wants I will support her decision. If she continues I will also support her. The tough thing is we really have very little info on which to speculate about what her next steps are. Only her and her team know what her plan is and where she goes from here.
 
Geez, the Doom and Gloom regarding Gold right now is simply DEAFENING...:slink:

It's no wonder her live chat got canceled.
 
Being a hardcore Gracie fan is tough right now.
:ghug: :ghug: :ghug:

If this sport were only about skating talent and perfect technique, Gracie would have won every competition she entered. I think Gracie gets so much attention ... which is a double-edged sword ... because a lot of people look for rational and technical reasons for mistakes. Look at Jason Brown, who's a brilliant skater. People dismiss him by saying, "he can't do quads." Hey, he wouldn't be trying them if he didn't do them in practice. Same thing happens with Mirai, Ashley, and Mao Asada in her later competitive years. People scream, "Underrotations! how horrible!" It's a way of discounting them. But also of explaining what isn't just a matter of measurable things.

People around here want to quantify. The mental game is harder to quantify. Even track stars, for whom the physical aspect would seem to be the whole story, say that winning a race is much more about their mental state. And it's not even as simple as having mental strength for consistency. It's about being "in the zone," or in figure skating, "skating dumb." Letting the body do what it already knows how to do. All athletes say this.

Only her and her team know what her plan is and where she goes from here.

True. The most interesting speculation I've seen in the forum is that Gracie will go to her GP assignments to qualify for nationals, by which time she plans to have her whole array of triple jumps. Some people say that's impossible, but anything's possible.

My own speculation: I've had an admittedly crazy idea spinning around in my head that this twilight zone she's in is her process of figuring out how to do what makes her happy, and trying to let go of the desire to make everyone else happy. And I don't mean 'twilight zone' in a negative way. The transition places are the sacred spaces.
 
Geez, the Doom and Gloom regarding Gold right now is simply DEAFENING...:slink:

She should do whatever makes her happy. However, if you're going to position yourself to be marketed as an Olympic hopeful and steal the spotlight from others, there may be some obligation to train seriously.
 
She should do whatever makes her happy. However, if you're going to position yourself to be marketed as an Olympic hopeful and steal the spotlight from others, there may be some obligation to train seriously.

Not only that but have some pride if you can't do triples then bow out of the GP. Gracie isn't some 3rd rate skater from some small country who isn't expected to ever contend for medals of any kind internationally this is someone who had 4 straight top 6 finishes at Worlds won a couple US titles and was one clean LP from winning Worlds 18 months ago so more is expected from her then a much less talented skater who knows they won't ever get close to a medal at a GP event or go to Worlds. Is this how she really wants to end her career?
 
Well, if she did present her LP, she has kept it under wraps. I have seen no evidence that she presented either of her programs and that's why people were wondering if she'd be ready for her first event. If there's evidence that she's prepared to compete, I'd be very, very happy to see it. I'm rooting for her and I'd love nothing more than to see her make the team.

Sources indicated the long was held prior to the short at Champs Camp due to altitude. That is why we saw the video of Mirai performing the triple axel in her free prior to the day the skating world went abuzz when Gracie did not perform her short program.

Gracie performed a long and was one of the skaters who requested spectators other than the monitors not be present (other coaches and skaters do often watch/support the others). Skaters receive feedback after each program. There are private videos of Sun Valley that have floated around. Gracie wore blank long sleeves and black long pants when performing to 'People' in the show.

Ashley did not skate to La La Land at Champs Camp. If you learn how to read between the lines of Icenetwork articles, Lynn Rutherford noted the music selections of Karen, Mariah and Mirai, but omitted Ashley's and left Gracie out of the article. These things by icenetwork are intentional, as they are very careful with what the print --- but it is quite easy to read between the lines there.

I also pointed out that Chock and Bates were skating to Imagine. Madison Chock just posted a photo of the Beatles on Instagram. Their short dance is to Aguanile by Marc Anthony.
 
She should do whatever makes her happy. However, if you're going to position yourself to be marketed as an Olympic hopeful and steal the spotlight from others, there may be some obligation to train seriously.

Who is she stealing the spotlight from, exactly?

ETA: I dunno, I guess I don't hold it against her personally if this is the choice she has made. She will skate and then the chips will fall - either she'll make it or she won't make it. Either way, the world won't end, either for her or us.
 
She should do whatever makes her happy. However, if you're going to position yourself to be marketed as an Olympic hopeful and steal the spotlight from others, there may be some obligation to train seriously.

Exactly!! It's clear by reading through this thread that Gracie has a ton of fans and we all want what's best for her. Being a fan of USFS, I want the best skaters out there to represent us. I do think Gracie can get herself back to where she was but, I don't think it can happen by the time the GP begins. I keep referencing my career but it's all I know. Back in the 80's I was hired to sing on a Princess Cruise Ship. I had just been let go from Janet Jackson's "When I think Of You" video. It seems Janet didn't like the "formations" of the dance features and I was dropped after the first day of shooting. I cried for days and just couldn't bring myself to go away for 6 months and quit the job with Princess.

The blessing in all this was that this disappointment put me at a crossroads. I decided that I would focus on my voice and that was the start of a long and very happy career. If Gracie loves skating, then she'll be back. If she's done, maybe she'll coach like Plushy, or maybe she'll become a broadcaster like Tonia K. I don't really follow the skaters on Social Media. What else does Gracie like to do? Tara became an actress right after she retired and with Gracie's name recognition, she could follow suite. She has a beautiful smile and she's a beautiful, intelligent, young woman.
 
Just discovered Ting Cui from JGP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QKazv0wW2Q. I am surprised that I've never seen her before, considering she is in a very good shape. She trikes me as a very confident skater, and looks mature for her age. She is thin but looks a powerful skater. Does she have all the triples? Any information on how she may progress in the next few years?

she does have all her triples! She also has a triple lutz- triple toe, which she has posted on her instagram(which is private, but I requested to follow and she accepted me). I am guessing that combo isn't consistent enough to put in to her programs but she is quite the jumper. What she needs to work on is her steps and spins. She gets more level 2's and 3's on those than level 4's. She has loads of potential though!
 
Mirai's been working so hard this summer it seems! :hap10: I know the choice of Miss Saigon for her long is a bit controversial to some, but I do really like the program, and hope we get to see it in Pyeongchang. Karen, Ashley, and Mirai would make a fantastic team there :)
 
I dunno, I guess I don't hold it against her personally if this is the choice she has made. She will skate and then the chips will fall - either she'll make it or she won't make it. Either way, the world won't end, either for her or us.

It's not a personal thing. Most of us here really like Gracie and appreciate the dynamic she brings to the sport. However, as Jammers pointed out, there are two GP slots that are occupied by Gracie. If she isn't serious about mounting a comeback, two other skaters could begin preparing for GP events.
 

Get It Mirai!!!!! This is what I love to see. Mirai has been at this for years!! I think being passed over for the Olympic team would have been enough to break a skater with less drive. Big props to Tom and his team for getting Mirai to add this big jump at this stage of her career. Chapis.....Thank you for posting that clip.:bow:
 
It's not a personal thing. Most of us here really like Gracie and appreciate the dynamic she brings to the sport. However, as Jammers pointed out, there are two GP slots that are occupied by Gracie. If she isn't serious about mounting a comeback, two other skaters could begin preparing for GP events.

However, as it has been pointed out, those 2 skaters may not be US skaters if Gracie pulls out now.

And here is the real conundrum...we (the fans) criticize when a federation seems to just drop a skater once they suffer a setback as being cruel BUT, we are now criticizing USFSA for working with Gracie instead of just dropping her to make room for another skater. I think the takeaway is that these are complicated situations and we really don't know everything that is going on. Plus, since life doesn't come with a user's manual, I'm sure there is uncertainty for Gracie and her team and USFSA about whether or not they are making the right decisions. I mean, how many times have any of you been at a crossroads in your life and known instantly which road to take? And for anyone thinking that it's been 18 months since Worlds 2016 and that should have been enough time, obviously you've lived a charmed life. I'm told to make it as an elite skater that skating needs to be your whole life. So, Gracie's whole life up to this point has been skating and she is facing the decision of going forward with it or giving it up. That's a huge thing! I'm will to have some patience as a fan while things get worked out.

BTW: I'm guessing that the USFSA selection committee is secretly hoping that Gracie either comes back super strong or totally bombs, because anything else and they face making another controversial decision about who they send to the Olympics. I'm glad I'm not them right about now.
 
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