Virtue and Moir capture second Olympic gold

[Tigerlily87]

She was nervous because of that strap, without that issue score would be higher, it is obvious. THere were not nervous after seeing such score by v/m . First half of the program was better then canadians .Kudos for that .

No they weren’t nervous. But something else could’ve happened we don’t know. All that we know is the current results.

 

[Justynka12]

They got a personal best PCS score with the malfunction (39.22 out of 40 - a world record for SD PCS). Even if they got literally 40 out of 40 PCS in the SD, they would have still lost to V/M overall, mathematically.

no,no,no we talk about the situation when they would had NO wardrobe malfunction, so better technical score + better goe ... Without that malfunction, they would had no bigger problems with elements and I bet they would got higher goe.

 

[Yuzuruu]

Honestly, we don’t really know who would’ve won or lost. We don’t know how their performance would have gone either wayI really can’t stand when people say stuff like that because it’s impossible to tell what would’ve happened

Exactly, this constant what ifing is so unfair to the skaters who work hard their entire life for this. ALL of them. Same thing is now happening to ma' Yuzu from Nathan fans who keep putting Yuzuru down by saying he wouldn't have won if Nathan didn't bomb his SP while completely disregarding the fact that sport is not just physical prowess but also mental strength. Can we all live here and now instead of in a dreamland and show some respect for the winners by simply congratulating them? This is exactly what SPORT is, it rarely happens that everybody is clean as a whistle, I guess about 80% of winners win mainly because their competition made a mistake, that's basically how it works.

 

[millie]

In my opinion, fans saying that it is because of the wardrobe malfunction that the French team lost. To me it’s the same as saying Tonya Harding lost because her lace broke. Just my opinion.

 

[Tigerlily87]

In my opinion, fans saying that it is because of the wardrobe malfunction that the French team lost. To me it’s the same as saying Yonya Harding lost because her lace broke. Just my opinion.

Except it’s not. Tonya wasn’t a challenger for the gold really

 

[Lester]

Really sucks that of all things a loose strap may have decided the gold medal.

True.

But also imagine if there was no "objective" reason for one of the two teams to lose. Conspiracies, flame wars, videos dissecting every movement: A repeat of Sochi basically.

 

[Justynka12]

True.

But also imagine if there was no "objective" reason for one of the two teams to lose. Conspiracies, flame wars, videos dissecting every movement: A repeat of Sochi basically.

Therr were, havent you read ice dancing short program thread?

 

[Lester]

Therr were, havent you read ice dancing short program thread?

It's much tamer to my eye than what happened 4 years ago. But I may be wrong.

 

[Justynka12]

Someone deleted the post so i wil say that
YOu also cannot prove that with costume malfunction they would have gottn the same score and not better. you cannnot. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT COSTUME MALFUNCTION AFFECTED THE PERFORMANCE. thats the point. We dont know what would happen withou it, but i dont think the score would be lower. It could be only higher.

 

[Mathman]

Am I the only one who thinks that the judging was actually pretty accurate and fair? At the level of these two couples, they are both right up against the point ceiling of what is possible to achieve.

A two-point lead in the short dance is not a small lead at all. The one-point lead that Papadakis and Cizeron achieved in the free dance is about as much as they could hope for unless Virtue and Moir made a mistake. When V&M skated perfectly, the judges had to give them the marks that they earned even if they liked P&C's free dance performance slightly better.

Points is points.

 

[Justynka12]

Am I the only one who thinks that the judging was actually pretty accurate and fair? At the level of these two couples, they are both right up against the point ceiling of what is possible to achieve.

A two-point lead in the short dance is not a small lead at all. The one-point lead that Papadakis and Cizeron achieved in the free dance is about as much as they could hope for unless Virtue and Moir made a mistake. When V&M skated perfectly, the judges had to give them the marks that they earned even if they liked P&C's free dance performance slightly better.

Points is points.

no, many people think s there a bad judging still. P/C should lost with a bigger margin

 

[TerpsichoreFS]

I am happy for Leanna Carol, the president of Skate Canada. She was able to witness the win of her skaters from the best seat.

 

[Tigerlily87]

I am happy for Leanna Carol, the president of Skate Canada. She was able to witness the win of her skaters from the best seat.

Canadian fan here, she shouldn’t have been there

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

no,no,no we talk about the situation when they would had NO wardrobe malfunction, so better technical score + better goe ... Without that malfunction, they would had no bigger problems with elements and I bet they would got higher goe.

Actually, their technical and PCS scores for the SD were personal bests -- and higher at the Olympics than it was at Euros - without any malfunction.

http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1718/owg2018/OWG2018_IceDance_SD_Scores.pdf
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1718/ec2018/ec2018_IceDance_SD_Scores.pdf

And if P/C hadn't had the wardrobe malfunction, and scored higher, what's to say Virtue and Moir wouldn't have put even more effort in the free dance and got a higher score there? See, we can play that "what if" game too.

There's no telling how P/C would have skated without the malfunction, but that's not the reality as to what happened. If telling yourself the scores would have been different happens to be your silver lining, then that's fine. But it comes across as being a sore loser (if only this had happened and this was marked differently!). P/C got personal best scores in TES and PCS in both programs - many 10.00's for performance, even with the strap issue - they weren't shortchanged by the judges. If anything, the gap should have been wider, but we all knew it would be tight in the end, and most people agree that the right team won.

On a side note, looking at the trend in your posts since you joined, I do hope you'll have more to contribute to the forum in the future beyond just bashing V/M and Canadians and complaining about the French's scores/malfunction. But you do you, boo.

 

[cell]

On a side note, looking at the trend in your posts since you joined, I do hope you'll have more to contribute to the forum in the future beyond just bashing V/M and Canadians and complaining about the French's scores/malfunction. But you do you, boo.

:agree:

 

[loiza]

Tessa and Scott are two fantastic skaters. Two clean programs that deserved to win. Ridiculous about some people trying to force them as a couple with insufficient quality to win.

 

[Krunchii]

I feel like certain reactions here have a clear lack of respect, do people go into the thread celebrating Alyona and Bruno's win to say that if Sui/Han landed their salchow they wouldnt have won gold? People are only reacting this way because they don't respect their win.

I think the better performances here won, I do think Virtue/Moir are the best skaters, they skate very closely with the least amount of side by side skating and they close their steps properly and I think they have the best use of dance holds in the field. They also have some of the most difficult lifts here. However if they had skated the same program as GPF I think they would've lost. I really like how they reworked the first step sequence in the free dance. It feels less dense and I think they put in a cool tango hold that just added to the drama of the beginning. Bravo, they really are one of the greatest ice dance teams of all time.

 

[friedbanana]

The Olympics have been treating my favorites so well so far. Fingers crossed for the ladies!!

 

[charlotte14]

Yes, their rhumba patter was weak. Look at the goe. French s was perfection
Lift was NOT wobby,and for sure the terrible one. first time when I saw it live i dint see anything bad. Judges see it on real time had right not to see it too.
Twizzles were decent- they didnt deserve -goe- they had problem with the free leg on the second part, is that deserve minus goe?
Anf yes , canadians I think won only because of the strap. If French WERE clean, had better goe on lift and twizzles , they would WON. maybe canadians were be first after short , but with a little gap, and with french winning FD, gold would be theirs

P/C twizzle in the SD was really bad. She was late obviously compared to him. I don’t know how come you think it’s a worthy of that score.
The judges love P/C and want a fresh face to win Olympics. But the mistake in SD was too big.

 

[anyanka]

That was a phenomenal competition!! I'm a bit sad for the French, but I keep telling myself that four years ago they were watching the Sochi games at home, now they very nearly won the gold medal. They should be just as proud of their hard work and especially that glorious free dance.

I'm insanely happy that Tessa and Scott were at their very best last night, it was every bit as good and possibly better than their Mahler in Vancouver, for different reasons. Now of course my friends who tune into ice dance every four years are speculating if they were a real life couple. Heh. (I don't know what to tell them.)

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!