Virtue and Moir capture second Olympic gold

[ChanClan]

I think if you are not here to congratulate Tessa and Scott, you should get off this thread. This thread is not a "what could have happened if the french teams strap hadn't broken", this is a thread about Tessa and Scott winning gold by putting out TWO amazing performances. I'm sorry if you don't agree but it's what happened. We can discuss and discuss what could have happened but at the end of the day, we don't know and we will never know so please can we stop acting like we do.

 

[whatif]

The way I’d put it: P\C lost that gold and NOT that V/M won it. Cizeron should stick to skating and not costume design. Perhaps had he spent more time training and not wasting time seamstressing, they would not look so anaemic in comparison to Tessa who came guns blazing here. BUT Canadian fans are still so annoying. Even when they win they still complain and whine. So it’s hard to be happy about V\M’s deserved win.

 

[Tigerlily87]

The way I’d put it: P\C lost that gold and NOT that V/M won it. Cizeron should stick to skating and not costume design. Perhaps had he spent more time training and not wasting time seamstressing, they would not look so anaemic in comparison to Tessa who came guns blazing here. BUT Canadian fans are still so annoying. Even when they win they still complain and whine. So it’s hard to be happy about V\M’s deserved win.

It was a lovely costume. Shame. I’m happy for the win by V/M. They skated phenomenally last night. So did C/P

 

[NanaPat]

If it did come undone earlier they could have also gone to the referee and got it fixed. But that's also a hard decision to make mid-routine and an interruption would affect their marks. Still, they got the highest PCS in spite of that.

No they couldn't go to the referee and get it fixed. The same thing happened to a Canadian couple, they went to the referee, the referee refused, they went on to finish the program. I think it was at 4CC during the time V/M were taking a break (and there was space for a Canadian dance team other than the current top 3 at 4CC).

 

[magicrider]

Unnecessary Sour Grapes.

They can thank Gabriella's dress and their federal president-judge

I knew someone would blame the costume for the loss for the French team. Don’t forget that Virtue and Moir set a world record in the short dance. A score that the French team had never reached. What’s done is done, so we should all just appreciate the beautiful skating of all of the teams. The competition was a joy to watch, from beginning to end. My greatest admiration goes to all dance teams for their absolute effort and dedication to the sport and their fans.

 

[millie]

People have to release their anger somewhere about the Canadians winning again. They are going to nit pick anyway..Same happened when Team Canada won the Gold...go figure...congratulations again to V and M for being the most decorated Olympic figure skaters. Looks good on them. Now on to Kaetlyn,,,,why all the hate? It’s not like they cheated...

 

[NanaPat]

I feel like certain reactions here have a clear lack of respect, do people go into the thread celebrating Alyona and Bruno's win to say that if Sui/Han landed their salchow they wouldnt have won gold? People are only reacting this way because they don't respect their win.

You must have missed the thread about Canada winning the team gold. It was extremely ugly before it (eventually) got split into three separate threads!

 

[lovaticcanada]

Also, the strap made a difference in their focus for their step sequence (lvl 3 as opposed to lvl 4). That made the difference. If the top wasn't going to fall off, the judges were about to gift this competition to the French. In the end, the tech panel's call was all the difference.

That said, I was still baffled at the PCS for their short, it should have been lower since they were not 100% focus on the performance and each step during the strap issue.

I was doubting that V/M could pull this off with the panel, but I knew once that their TES can only be at most 1 point off the french in the free.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

The way I’d put it: P\C lost that gold and NOT that V/M won it. Cizeron should stick to skating and not costume design. Perhaps had he spent more time training and not wasting time seamstressing, they would not look so anaemic in comparison to Tessa who came guns blazing here. BUT Canadian fans are still so annoying. Even when they win they still complain and whine. So it’s hard to be happy about V\M’s deserved win.

I think V/M very much won it. They skated beyond their personal best to edge out the French who the judges were obviously favouring, if you look at the GOE and PCS.

It's not like V/M meandered about the ice - they attacked that program and left all their emotions out there. The French were scored well, but there was still something lacking in each program. I've said before that I love the French's FD more than V/M's but last night I preferred V/M.

You could even tell by the crowd reaction who their fave was.

Also, I don't think it's necessary to shade Guillaume for being interested in costume design. If V/M lost, I wouldn't be throwing shade at Moir for playing hockey or Tessa for having her line of jewelry or perusing art galleries. Skaters have outside interests and passions. It would be like accusing Nathan Chen of losing the gold and should have spent more time training instead of skateboarding. It trivializes the fact that Hanyu/Uno/Fernandez earned their respective medals, and weren't handed them because Chen bombed his SP.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Also, the strap made a difference in their focus for their step sequence (lvl 3 as opposed to lvl 4). That made the difference. If the top wasn't going to fall off, the judges were about to gift this competition to the French. In the end, the tech panel's call was all the difference.

That said, I was still baffled at the PCS for their short, it should have been lower since they were not 100% focus on the performance and each step during the strap issue.

I was doubting that V/M could pull this off with the panel, but I knew once that their TES can only be at most 1 point off the french in the free.

Well, look at their NtMiSt. They got level 3's all season... and then a level 4 at the Olympics when her top was coming undone. I mean, the PSt was later on so she could have been more uncomfortable and less focused but they also got level 3 on that element quite a few times internationally. There's no telling even if they were focused if they would have hit level 4 on the PSt.

However, both teams did exceptionally well to hit all their levels in their FD (something they hadn't done internationally all year, I don't think). And I think that was the first time in a while (or ever) V/M hit all their levels in both dances.

 

[gsk8]

Both teams were very exciting to watch! Instead of focusing on shoulda, woulda, coulda, we should be celebrating all of the ice dance teams for their hard work. This thread was created based off of the article, so it is not just limited to one team.

If you feel you must debate and analyze every detail, that is fine, but do it maturely and without bias. The bickering and vitriol on this thread is not only distracting, but depressing.

 

[charlotte14]

The way I’d put it: P\C lost that gold and NOT that V/M won it. Cizeron should stick to skating and not costume design. Perhaps had he spent more time training and not wasting time seamstressing, they would not look so anaemic in comparison to Tessa who came guns blazing here. BUT Canadian fans are still so annoying. Even when they win they still complain and whine. So it’s hard to be happy about V\M’s deserved win.

I actually think P/C’s SD this year is still weaker than V/M. Interesting that P/C having stronger FD.

 

[rosy14]

i see that it is so easy to forget (or strategically omit) how their fd looked at the beginning and what we saw today. Yes - for those opposed altogether towards 'moulin rouge' music/storyline/idea/whatever, it will be undeserved trash anyway, regardless how it was performed/executed, but they were able to turn around that vehicle completely, in sense of design, feel and impact created. And that really mattered from competitive standpoint - the idea was there still, but it was certainly re-worked towards more 'universal' response and aiming for the biggest stage, with olympic moment creation. This time around, they had a large team of people: Marie-france and patrice who helped tremendously in polishing the program from competitive side, sam choinard who helped in choreography tweaks, their sport's psychologist and so on. Also, what stuck me during te and past two days - so many canadian olympic team members where there, by the boards or in the audience, to cheer on them, showing their support, that sure had also some play for their drive and power they executed their programs with.

They were able to make that 'moulin rouge' fd work for their benefit and raise continuously since nationals by features/qualities of it that were mostly criticized and picked up, e.g. 'crotch lift', all references pertaining directly to the movie ('rouge rage', interest of baz luhrmann), theatrics and storyline carried through their 'roxanne' documentary piece. They made boldness, provocative sensuality, physicality, dramatism, fierceness a headline, not an afterthought produced out of their control which is quite remarkable by itself. And most importantly - they really focused on themselves, their material, their response and work to be done on that, since the response from the outside was like it was for the whole season.

Weren't they performing their stuff flawlessly, executing everything and not leaving anything to a chance, there was no way in hell they would win this. It took the highest level of their capability, skill and control, physically and mentally, to achieve what they did. Pity that them going on the top of their game suddenly gets unnoticed and the win is there because of someone else. Funny that when virtue/moir had issues with their programs/execution of them all season long, losing to french team at gpf, everyone was quick on their feet to pick up flaws, why not to praise the excellence this time around?

standing ovation !!!!!

 

[skatedreamer]

Both teams were very exciting to watch! Instead of focusing on shoulda, woulda, coulda, we should be celebrating all of the ice dance teams for their hard work. This thread was created based off of the article, so it is not just limited to one team.

If you feel you must debate and analyze every detail, that is fine, but do it maturely and without bias. The bickering and vitriol on this thread is not only distracting, but depressing.

THIS ^^^^^ :agree:
Wish I could give it multiple likes!

 

[Oetker]

Also, the strap made a difference in their focus for their step sequence (lvl 3 as opposed to lvl 4). That made the difference. If the top wasn't going to fall off, the judges were about to gift this competition to the French. In the end, the tech panel's call was all the difference.

That said, I was still baffled at the PCS for their short, it should have been lower since they were not 100% focus on the performance and each step during the strap issue.

I was doubting that V/M could pull this off with the panel, but I knew once that their TES can only be at most 1 point off the french in the free.

Yes, they should gave them 78 score , just for Canadians to feel better . It would be odd if gold medal should be decided because of the strap issue

 

[Oetker]

Well, look at their NtMiSt. They got level 3's all season... and then a level 4 at the Olympics when her top was coming undone. I mean, the PSt was later on so she could have been more uncomfortable and less focused but they also got level 3 on that element quite a few times internationally. There's no telling even if they were focused if they would have hit level 4 on the PSt.

However, both teams did exceptionally well to hit all their levels in their FD (something they hadn't done internationally all year, I don't think). And I think that was the first time in a while (or ever) V/M hit all their levels in both dances.

No,they didnt got L3 all season, how do you know that? And even if they did , whats the problem with getting it here? You all look for reasons ,proofs where P/C were overscored or should be. You'd love see them getting all L3 and +1 , because Canadians are superior No , they are not. Maybe we compare rhumba pattern?

 

[Oetker]

And one thing, technical controller doesnt check "focusing" on elements. HE/she doesn care if skater focused or not. Thats not affect levels. Gabriella lost her balance a little in a twizzle during second step sequnce, thats it. That cost them a gold, frankly speaking. You blaming that "not focused" for everything. It is quite funny. And wondering why they got L4 for NTSS is weird.

 

[eriecold]

I'm rather amused by all the posters declaring that P/C fans aren't permitted to speculate about a 'fix' in V/M's favour, or that the unclasped top of a competitor got the Canadian couple the gold, while I'm quite certain if P/C had won the whole legion of V/M fans would be up in arms about how unfair it all is, and that others are held up to the detriment of V/M. Judging fixes, naturally all put into place to hold V/M down. But everybody's supposed to be gracious about it now the opposite has occurred. Because the 'right' couple won (in the eyses of the legion). Even so, some fans still have to make derogatory remarks about P/C's beautiful FD (calling it 'a mess'), or state that V/M won despite 'the judges being against them'. Yeah, right.

It really isn't so difficult to make a case the other way round you know.

The thread in the olympic section of the forum is full of both. I simply see that people are biased in nature and, with such a subjective sport, you always see reality according to your point of view.
I'll never understand P/C programs, and the musical arrangement of moonlight sonata kept distracting me, but people online were mesmerized with it, good for them.

That being said....

Congrats to Maia and Alex!!! Congrats to G/G and huge, huge congrats to Tessa and Scott!!!!

 

[Osmond4gold]

And one thing, technical controller doesnt check "focusing" on elements. HE/she doesn care if skater focused or not. Thats not affect levels. Gabriella lost her balance a little in a twizzle during second step sequnce, thats it. That cost them a gold, frankly speaking. You blaming that "not focused" for everything. It is quite funny. And wondering why they got L4 for NTSS is weird.

Welcome Oetker! I hope you're enjoying Day 1 on this forum, and isn't it great we can celebrate all our Olympic athletes, medalists and their successes! BTW, this Thread was created from an article which you may want to read before commenting. You may also want to read the posting rules, as there are consequences for excessive bashing on the Forum.

Thanks and good luck!

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

People have to release their anger somewhere about the Canadians winning again. They are going to nip pick anyway..Same happened when Team Canada won the Gold...go figure...congratulations again to V and M for being the most decorated Olympic figure skaters. Looks good on them. Now on to Kaetlyn,,,,why all the hate? It’s not like they cheated...

Too soon! #FreudianNipSlip