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Alina Zagitova

hanyuyuzuru1207 said:
Is Alina gonna train for 3A or Quads for next season? Any interviews on trying harder jumps?
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Nope, didn’t hear any plans yet, but I don’t think she was asked about jumps. She did mention something along the lines of looking forward to her new programs and curious about what her coaches would do.

Zhenya was quoted as mentioning that she would try a quad and had done a quad at training with still uneven results, that got me thinking that maybe Alina also did some jumps in training that she is not using on her programs.

Don’t know which jump would play out better to Alina’s strengths: a 3a or any of the Quads? Her 3Toe loop seems to be her favorite jump but her lutz is pretty great too. Her 2 axel improved a lot during this season, I remember a commentator mentioning that he could see why Mirai went for the 3a because her 2a had so much speed, height and range.

A 3a on its own, in today’s scoring, is not a game changer on its own (you could see that Alina’s 3lutz+3toe combo was much more effective in boasting BV considering her program layout).

What would be the best to have? If she added a 3a, kept her program going with her other harder jumps that would boast her a lot, and I think that if she can get a consistent Quad it would work about the same.

I have a feeling that next season skating clean will be more important than skating hard (3a, any Quad), you could see on the men’s side how important skating clean was, and also landing fully rotated jumps.
 
flanker said:
So that is how misinterpretations are created. To take part of what somebody have said and to add own words to it. What she exactly said was: "I did not understand that you need to work here yourself, that nobody will force you here (at Sambo 70)." So what you said is complete misinterpretation of what she said. Yes, she said she is the type who needs to be pushed to work harder, but nothing of how you are presenting it. She was no longer taken as a child in school where teacher tells the pupil exactly what to do. It's like transition from school to university, where it's the student who has to work on himself. Coaches teach them the technique, the elements, but the real training is on themselves. And that matters to all of them, nothing special with Alina.
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I fully admit that I could have misinterpreted her quote, especially considering things get lost when translated. To me, when someone says "no one will force you here" it implies she is not getting attention. I do think its interesting if you watch her progression that her greatest gains were when Medvedeva was absent. Several commenters implied that she "took advantage" of this time in training. To me, that suggests that she had not been receiving the attention needed to significantly improved until Medvedeva was injured. One wonders what her potential could be if she was given this kind of attention from the start.
 
In an interview, she said that she likes the attention she gets (from fans, media), but tries not to lose her head.
But I was referring to the attention of the closer persons: friends, coaches, colleagues.
The fact that she often says that she feels alone, it indicates to me that she needs a lot of attention from the closest persons.
 
lusk8 said:
Nope, didn’t hear any plans yet, but I don’t think she was asked about jumps. She did mention something along the lines of looking forward to her new programs and curious about what her coaches would do.

Zhenya was quoted as mentioning that she would try a quad and had done a quad at training with still uneven results, that got me thinking that maybe Alina also did some jumps in training that she is not using on her programs.

Don’t know which jump would play out better to Alina’s strengths: a 3a or any of the Quads? Her 3Toe loop seems to be her favorite jump but her lutz is pretty great too. Her 2 axel improved a lot during this season, I remember a commentator mentioning that he could see why Mirai went for the 3a because her 2a had so much speed, height and range.

A 3a on its own, in today’s scoring, is not a game changer on its own (you could see that Alina’s 3lutz+3toe combo was much more effective in boasting BV considering her program layout).

What would be the best to have? If she added a 3a, kept her program going with her other harder jumps that would boast her a lot, and I think that if she can get a consistent Quad it would work about the same.

I have a feeling that next season skating clean will be more important than skating hard (3a, any Quad), you could see on the men’s side how important skating clean was, and also landing fully rotated jumps.
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You mean her 3 Lz 3 Lo? She has the best 3Lo combinations.

I think she could try 3Lz 3Lo tano.

Wonder if she will backload the free program again. Her 2A is so good so I see a 3A is more possible..

With trusova and Alenka doing 3A and quads I think Alina would have try harder jumps at soms point.

She doesn't get UR much no?
 
hanyuyuzuru1207 said:
You mean her 3 Lz 3 Lo? She has the best 3Lo combinations.

I think she could try 3Lz 3Lo tano.

Wonder if she will backload the free program again. Her 2A is so good so I see a 3A is more possible..

With trusova and Alenka doing 3A and quads I think Alina would have try harder jumps at soms point.

She doesn't get UR much no?
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Yesssss exactly what I meant 3lz 3Lo, got all my abbreviations wrong [emoji23](typing on my phone is not my friend) thanks for clarifying.

I don’t see her UR or PR much, so I don’t think these will be issues for her (as in bad habits), if she is in cruising speed on her programs her rotations are spot on.

She can cascade 3Lo like there is no tomorrow, if the rules ever change to reward some of that she could have the next big thing. Maybe even better than a 3A and a Quad.

I think the upcoming rule changes will set the tone to this game.

Considering the men, where Quad land, has been a issue for a longer time (and 3A land for even longer), several guys got quads as adults and you can still see guys place well that don’t have quads (by well I mean top 10).

Internationally I think Alina should be great for a long time just perfecting what she has, bigger problem would be domestic competition (and getting to international having to go through that first). Domestic is what might force her hand into adding the harder (and rarer) jumps.
 
Sugar Coated said:
I fully admit that I could have misinterpreted her quote, especially considering things get lost when translated. To me, when someone says "no one will force you here" it implies she is not getting attention. I do think its interesting if you watch her progression that her greatest gains were when Medvedeva was absent. Several commenters implied that she "took advantage" of this time in training. To me, that suggests that she had not been receiving the attention needed to significantly improved until Medvedeva was injured. One wonders what her potential could be if she was given this kind of attention from the start.
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There is a term "cherry picking", and I'm sorry but this is exact example. Choosing just those elements which fits my view and leaving the rest unnoticed. Or even remembering the things in modified form.
So at first, the sentence "nobody will force you here" could be easily transformed into "nobody will force anybody". Just like in the example with university. The first day I came to university I (we all) heard: "from now on 90 % of work is on you." Of course that can't be measured, but it could be even easily said "all work is on you". You have to be active, to have interest, your own activity. Difference between basic and high school on one side and university on the other. Thats what this is all about. ALina was used to have somebody older, experienced always behind her back, commenting every step, every move, hearing now do this, now that. Its completely natural that she she had problems accepting that there is another mode in her new school where not always you have somebody behind. There is of course time when you are on your own, you have to train, repeat what was presented earlier. Just like anybody else. Coaches present new things and are there when you start to learn it but than in memorizing it, learnig it to adopt, that is on you She probably did it several times but when at some moment there was nobody who would take care strictly on her, she probably stopped because she was used to hear some words of either appretiation or some objections to what she was doing. So she had to learn to work herself, what was difficult for her in the beginning, because as she mentioned "I had to be pushed to work harder". Yes, it is always difficult to master that reality that you do not work for pleasing coach (teacher), but for yourself. That also does not mean that somebody is neglected by coaches, that just mean uou does not train only when all attention is on you, that you realize your own responsibility for developing your skills. That is also the way how you gain confidence of the coaches (like they no longer need to say "I can't loose her of my sight because that she won't do anything", which is transformed into "I can rely on her that in time when I don't see her she will continue working properly") and mainly self-confidence.
The other thing, "being (un)noticed" in favor of others" (Zhenya namely before her injury). In time when Zhenya suffered her injury, Alina was already world junior champion and started her debut senior season. All with the work of her and her team, the training, choreography etc. So no, that is not corresponding with how you are interpreting it.
 
I remember that. Both Alyona's response and Daniil's and Eteri's reaction are funny and cute :)
By the way, what does she say at the very end (5:53)?
 
flanker said:
I remember that. Both Alyona's response and Daniil's and Eteri's reaction are funny and cute :)
By the way, what does she say at the very end (5:53)?
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Alena - I have to report to my mom !
Daniel - Do not rush, wait ))
 
hanyuyuzuru1207 said:
Is Alina gonna train for 3A or Quads for next season? Any interviews on trying harder jumps?
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Her 2A is so good I expect her to do with 3A. in a couple of years. There is no need for Alinka to do it now I don't care what Sasha and Alenka have in store with quads or triple axels, Alina needs to perfect what she has which is the most difficult routine in ladies figure skating. She is skating for the 2022 Winter Olympics not this upcoming season.
 
Sugar Coated said:
I fully admit that I could have misinterpreted her quote, especially considering things get lost when translated. To me, when someone says "no one will force you here" it implies she is not getting attention. I do think its interesting if you watch her progression that her greatest gains were when Medvedeva was absent. Several commenters implied that she "took advantage" of this time in training. To me, that suggests that she had not been receiving the attention needed to significantly improved until Medvedeva was injured. One wonders what her potential could be if she was given this kind of attention from the start.
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Sometimes if one thing is different everything is different. Different doesn't necessarily mean better. Whatever has been given to her, for better or worse, has worked out in spades. With the exception of Worlds (which I honestly don't think anyone could have foreseen or prevented) she has won everything for two seasons at the Junior and Senior level. She has beaten everyone and Worlds she wasn't defeated so much as she beat herself. :(

I won't even pretend to understand Eteri. But you can't argue with the fact that she gave Alina two mathematically unbeatable programs, choreographed those programs down to the last breath, packaged her beautifully as a ballerina for her senior debut AND did all of this in an Olympic year knowing she would be going up against her 'second daughter' Evgenia.
 
Quite right.
I sometimes admire only to the Alina's arms in Black Swan and Don Quixote.
The mother of Daniil is Ludmila Shalashova, who is the former ballerina,
she directly works with Alina about the arms movements --
so the result is so artistic and beautiful!
 
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