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Alina Zagitova

Finley said:
One thing to keep in mind is that Alina is also going to improve her artistry, presentation and performance quality this season. There is a difference between 15 and 16 maturity wise. This will be her second senior season. She has already experienced the highest high (OG) and lowest low (Worlds) this past season. She has toured and performed with her skating idols. The best of the best. She has worked with different choreographers in the ice shows. All of these factors will work in her favor towards improving her PCS.

Also she has had a front row seat to all of the unbelievable DRAMA generated by WADA, IOC, RusFed, Sambo, Eteri, Zhenya, TAT, the Russian media, and whoever else. I am exhausted just thinking about it. She has stayed out of it, maintained the appearance of serenity through it all, and basically won people over. I would imagine that she has gained some valuable insight into the 'process' of it all that will serve her very well.

All I'm trying to say is that I think Alina is going to grow exponentially as an artist and a person. We really haven't seen anything yet. She skated two beautifully choreographed ballet themed routines. I loved both of those routines, but I think she can do so much more.
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Finley!! You rock!!! This x10000 :thank:

I also think that Alina is only going to grow in her PCS value (the same happened to Zhenya throughout the years), she is more mature now and her skates at both Ice Shows were super impressive. I'm talking about her group numbers, she has flow, grace and a sense of timing and rhythm that is impressive. In the Dream group dance at SOI I liked her way over Zhenya, her movements were prettier. Kaetlyn is a skater with a beautiful flow and extended movements and Alina stood her ground compared to her. In the Ice Fantasia LG Korea shows she was the best at being on the beat of all that group, on par with Misha who designed the whole thing.

If there are some math wizards at figuring out great BV programs in this world I'd say Eteri, Sergey and Daniil are right up there with the best of them. They are going to work some magics of those numbers in terms of possibilities as soon as the new rules are out.

As things stand right now, looking at season's best PCS from all skaters she is behind Zhenya, Carolina and Kaetlyn in season's best PCS scores. But the difference is very small, she is 0.41 points behind Carolina's season's best (and that woman is the queen of the PCS in my book), 0.35 behind Kaetlyn's and 2.17 behind Zhenya's. And if you look at Alina's season's best PCS (75.30 at Olympics, she got basically two 10s from judges and 3 judges really threw her median down, Zhenya's best (77.47 also at Olympics) she got eleven 10s and no judge threw her down. Tell me again what she was complaining about (or at least the other guy that mentioned PCS)? :palmf:

And, again, Alina won that. And she did it with those 3 judges really pushing it all waaay down, if they were more leveled near the top she would've had an even greater PCS.

Who has the most room for improvement? The person with eleven 10s or the person with two 10s?

I like Brian Orser but he is not the skating whisperer, he is a really great coach, he will be working with some prime material, but I'll reserve my judgment until I see his work as skates hit competition ice.

For those wishing to delve into the numbers here is my source http://skatingscores.com/preview/ladies/long/

Further number fun: Alina had the top three top scoring spins of the season, two of the top scoring jumps (1st,3rd, Trusova in the middle), she missed the podium of top threes on choreography and step sequences. So, like I said, room to grow.

Edited to add little bit more number fun. Short program PCS, Alina's season's best was at the Olympics, 37.62, Zhenya got 38.42 for her short in the same Olympics, 0.80 points difference in Zhenya's favor. Alina had zero 10s on her grades, Zhenya had six 10s. Looks to me like Alina has plenty of room to grow. Source is here: http://skatingscores.com/2018/oly/ladies/short/
 
Finley said:
One thing to keep in mind is that Alina is also going to improve her artistry, presentation and performance quality this season. There is a difference between 15 and 16 maturity wise. This will be her second senior season. She has already experienced the highest high (OG) and lowest low (Worlds) this past season. She has toured and performed with her skating idols. The best of the best. She has worked with different choreographers in the ice shows. All of these factors will work in her favor towards improving her PCS.

Also she has had a front row seat to all of the unbelievable DRAMA generated by WADA, IOC, RusFed, Sambo, Eteri, Zhenya, TAT, the Russian media, and whoever else. I am exhausted just thinking about it. She has stayed out of it, maintained the appearance of serenity through it all, and basically won people over. I would imagine that she has gained some valuable insight into the 'process' of it all that will serve her very well.

All I'm trying to say is that I think Alina is going to grow exponentially as an artist and a person. We really haven't seen anything yet. She skated two beautifully choreographed ballet themed routines. I loved both of those routines, but I think she can do so much more.
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Finley, I really hope you are right! <3 Thank you very much for the great post. I am looking forward to POTO and the long program - I think Alina will surprise us in a nice way.

And btw, we will be not the only ones surprised. Evgenia, having gone to Canada, has lost one big advantage - she used to know perfectly well what her rivals will present at the competitions (jump layout), how well they perform during practices and how she skates in comparison to them. In the following season she will not have this crucial information about Alina and the other Russians and this lack of info could drive some people crazy. I, for example, used to go to biology competitions and was pretty nervous because I didn't know how well the others are prepared for the next round, no idea if they have put some additional work and are going to score much more than last time.

And another thing I would like to share with you - I read everywhere that people are concerned about Alina staying with Eteri. Honestly, unless another Eteri girl overcomes her and greater tension in the group occurs (like between Evgenia and Alina but that was Olympic year, the rivalry was huge), she'd better stay at Sambo 70. Eteri, Sergey and Daniil are really giving their BEST. I even had the feeling that they get up and to go bed with the thought of figure skating and their students' success. Such people exist, they are born to be teaching and coaching and for them their job is giving 100% every day.

For example here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hngf_borvQ
You can see Eteri and Sergey are excited and to be honest, Trophee Bompard is not the most important competition, and the boy is not the best or most famous skater they got but they obviously care about his performance.
(I wonder if Eteri has done some nervous dance steps like 0:50 or angry gestures during Alina's skates this year, not visible because of the camera angle :D)
I also recall reading an interview with Daniil on IceNetwork from last year where they asked him to describe one typical day of his life - and he said he drives to the rink, spends the entire day there working with the skaters, then drives home, has dinner, reads stuff on the Internet related to figure skating, listens to music, thinks of new ideas for choreography, music, costumes, and then goes to bed. If I want to skate professionally, I would like to train with such dedicated people. And they have the best intention towards their students, they are their life. That's why it hurts that Evgenia left like that.
 
We can talk about PCS, GOE technical details for the whole day...Let's not forget Alina is the prettiest one and is getting more pretty day by day....Being the judge can be easy.

Seriously, Alina will remain on top of Zhenya and Osmond. I truly believe Eteri's team will double up the effort to help Alina to achieve the best to make up for the lost of Zhenya. Eteri's team has the magic to product the most entertaining program which cannot be matched up be Orsers team. And again , we cannot underestimate the donut effect. :-)
 
Alina, speaking on Russia TV at yesterday's event. Beautiful and sunny as usual.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bim_v_eASsd

Speaking of sunny, as EdRoz has noted, she is now on vacation. Some fun in the sun!!! Hope all the family has a great time, great weather and enjoys what I believe will be a great birthday celebration for Alina.
 
lusk8 said:
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100% agree with you lusk8 :agree:
One observation that I would like to add after this season..is that Alina's GOEs should have been wayyyyyy better. Her technique is exquisite and all her elements seem effortless, with beautiful transitions, in a manner that reflects the music (even her jumps are perfectly timed with the higher notes on the music used). Other skaters with wrong edges/muscled jumps got better GOEs than her (and here I am thinking especially at the Oly final). With a fair judging imo she would have received even a better score.
 
TheBallerina said:
100% agree with you lusk8 :agree:
One observation that I would like to add after this season..is that Alina's GOEs should have been wayyyyyy better. Her technique is exquisite and all her elements seem effortless, with beautiful transitions, in a manner that reflects the music (even her jumps are perfectly timed with the higher notes on the music used). Other skaters with wrong edges/muscled jumps got better GOEs than her (and here I am thinking especially at the Oly final). With a fair judging imo she would have received even a better score.
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:agree::cheer:

I agree with you 100%, she has clear edges, does the most difficult combo and jumps beautifully with great extension on her landings. And times them to fit the music. Her GOEs should be way higher than they are.
 
EdRoz said:
Components scores during the season SP (diagram-Alina,Zenja,Kaetlyn )

https://c.radikal.ru/c04/1804/a1/ee00c8617815.png

Components scores during the season FP (diagram-Alina,Zenja,Kaetlyn )

https://c.radikal.ru/c37/1804/ce/5ca17a50d7a1.jpg
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Wow that is a great graph. Thank you! [emoji1319][emoji1312][emoji3] let me take my hat [emoji147]out to you.

I love numbers and these paint a great picture of Alina’s year, her evolution, and how much room she has to grow on these scores. She evolved great, and this is a first senior season, and still has massive room to get higher ones. In my humble opinion she already deserves better at her best events, at the Olympics they did a whole tango of highs and lows that pulled her down, I find it hard to have such steep discrepancies in values (others didn’t).
 
TheBallerina said:
100% agree with you lusk8 :agree:
One observation that I would like to add after this season..is that Alina's GOEs should have been wayyyyyy better. Her technique is exquisite and all her elements seem effortless, with beautiful transitions, in a manner that reflects the music (even her jumps are perfectly timed with the higher notes on the music used). Other skaters with wrong edges/muscled jumps got better GOEs than her (and here I am thinking especially at the Oly final). With a fair judging imo she would have received even a better score.
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Yep, not sure how Zhenya got the same score as her in the free skate at Olympics. Probably because of her artistry score. Alina’s GOEs should have been, and are, way better than hers tbh
 
EdRoz said:
Alina instagram stories- she is in paradise)) Dominicana ?
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Yes she’s in Punta Cana, in the Dominican Republic! I’m so glad she is having a well deserved, relaxing holiday
 
Hi, I also have my concerns about +/-5 GOE. It will give more room for judges to pull someone up and put another one down.
AGENDA OF THE 57th ORDINARY CONGRESS has several interesting proposals regarding Technical Rules. One is from Canada and couple another once are from Japan.
197. CANADA, Figure
Rule 353, paragraph 1, h, iv) Revise as follows:
iv) In the Short Program and Free Skating of Single Skating the Base Values (but not the GOEs) for all jump Elements started in the second half of the program will be multiplied by a special factor 1.1 in order to give credit for even distribution of difficulties in the program, with a maximum of 2 in the Short Program and 4 in the Free program.
Reason: The rule is intended to award credit for even distribution of difficulties in the program, therefore this change will ensure even distribution and reward balanced programs
198. JAPAN
Rule 353, paragraph 1. h) iv)
Amend as follows:
iv) In the Short Program and Free Skating of Single Skating the Base Values (but not the GOEs) for all jump Elements started in the second half of the program will be multiplied by a special factor 1.1 in order to give credit for even distribution of difficulties in the program. However, only the last one jump element executed in the second half counts for the 1.1 factor in the Short Program, and the last three jump elements for Free Skating.
199. JAPAN
Rule 353, paragraph 1. h) v) new
Add new paragraph:
v) In the Free Skating of the single skating additional bonus points will be given to skaters succeeded six different type of clean triple and/or quadruple jumps in the program.
Reason: Credit must be given to skaters executed six different jumps, who is showing more variety of jumps in the program.
It will be interesting what will be excepted .

Link to agenda is here: https://www.isu.org/communications/17037-isu-communication-2156/file
 
hollyho said:
Alina’s Pyeongchang Olympic profile already showed her at 156cm. So what TAT said about Alina growing 3cm after Olympics (before Worlds) is not true!
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Based on my "Shoma Uno" ruler she is bigger than 156cm now. Shoma is listed as 159cm, and here is Alina by his side on this gif

https://78.media.tumblr.com/ad9dfbb88f5840d738ec81ddb1fe1bfe/tumblr_p6i0jjtudw1taaxqao1_540.gif

They are, at best, a hair's breadth away from each other in height. I still think he is a little bit taller (like 159 to 158), but he has shaggy hair and she doesn't (no way to see the shoes they were wearing, probably sneakers for both).
 
lusk8 said:
I’m going to wish for Alina to come your way (great vacation place) or maybe for you to go way her someday. You’re way closer to Japan and China then I’ll ever be. [emoji256]
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Haha thank you! I hope someday soon I will able to watch her compete, yes most likely in Japan or somewhere, or because they had a JGP Australia they might somehow make a senior Grand Prix event in Australia?? [emoji23]
 
IndiaP12 said:
Haha thank you! I hope someday soon I will able to watch her compete, yes most likely in Japan or somewhere, or because they had a JGP Australia they might somehow make a senior Grand Prix event in Australia?? [emoji23]
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I could see that happening again, Australia, going to wish it hard for you. [emoji960] [emoji256] [emoji1037]
 
NataFoxxy said:
Hi, I also have my concerns about +/-5 GOE. It will give more room for judges to pull someone up and put another one down.
AGENDA OF THE 57th ORDINARY CONGRESS has several interesting proposals regarding Technical Rules. One is from Canada and couple another once are from Japan.
197. CANADA, Figure
Rule 353, paragraph 1, h, iv) Revise as follows:
iv) In the Short Program and Free Skating of Single Skating the Base Values (but not the GOEs) for all jump Elements started in the second half of the program will be multiplied by a special factor 1.1 in order to give credit for even distribution of difficulties in the program, with a maximum of 2 in the Short Program and 4 in the Free program.
Reason: The rule is intended to award credit for even distribution of difficulties in the program, therefore this change will ensure even distribution and reward balanced programs
198. JAPAN
Rule 353, paragraph 1. h) iv)
Amend as follows:
iv) In the Short Program and Free Skating of Single Skating the Base Values (but not the GOEs) for all jump Elements started in the second half of the program will be multiplied by a special factor 1.1 in order to give credit for even distribution of difficulties in the program. However, only the last one jump element executed in the second half counts for the 1.1 factor in the Short Program, and the last three jump elements for Free Skating.
199. JAPAN
Rule 353, paragraph 1. h) v) new
Add new paragraph:
v) In the Free Skating of the single skating additional bonus points will be given to skaters succeeded six different type of clean triple and/or quadruple jumps in the program.
Reason: Credit must be given to skaters executed six different jumps, who is showing more variety of jumps in the program.
It will be interesting what will be excepted .

Link to agenda is here: https://www.isu.org/communications/17037-isu-communication-2156/file
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We are really going to have to wait and see what next season holds. I think the same judges that were so impressed with her this season are not going to suddenly be unimpressed with her next season unless she gives them a reason. That is the only factor she can control. Maintain her technical excellence and grow her artistry. Be the whole package. Make the judges feel good about rewarding her.

I have every faith that she can do this. She pulled it off during the toughest possible season (an Olympic year). I think she can do it again. There is a lot working in her favor. She has an 'it' factor. She is the reigning OC. She is gaining international popularity. It doesn't serve the sport for Alina to be summarily dismissed like yesterday's news. Her win was not a fluke - she was undefeated at the junior and senior level for two seasons until Worlds.

So I guess we will see. Ice is slippery and anything can happen but we have a lot of reason to hope for the best :)
 
Finley said:
We are really going to have to wait and see what next season holds. I think the same judges that were so impressed with her this season are not going to suddenly be unimpressed with her next season unless she gives them a reason. That is the only factor she can control. Maintain her technical excellence and grow her artistry. Be the whole package. Make the judges feel good about rewarding her.

I have every faith that she can do this. She pulled it off during the toughest possible season (an Olympic year). I think she can do it again. There is a lot working in her favor. She has an 'it' factor. She is the reigning OC. She is gaining international popularity. It doesn't serve the sport for Alina to be summarily dismissed like yesterday's news. Her win was not a fluke - she was undefeated at the junior and senior level for two seasons until Worlds.

So I guess we will see. Ice is slippery and anything can happen but we have a lot of reason to hope for the best :)
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The ISU Congress meeting sounds like the small council meeting of Game of Thrones.

I’m team Tyrion all the way. Voice of reason peeps, voice of reason.

Hope in between all the “let’s throw some skaters a few lifelines” rules they leave place for the sport to evolve. Unleash those 3-3-3-3-3 combos my friends, let the wild fire rage through.
 
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