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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

Sometimes google translate is not your friend. ;)

It should translate “The most difficult thing in the growing up period is to realize that the person who helps you is not always for you and works for HER own benefit. I can not understand it at all.”

I get that she was talking about Eteri, ofc, but if you think this is 'losing it' in an interview when she doesn't even say Eteri's name directly while Eteri has bashed her twice on national TV calling her childish, immature, ecc ecc... I mean. If I had been Zhenya I would have been less nice tbh :biggrin:

She never said "her" she said "своей" which might be both "his" and "her". But she specifically mentioned the age when it happened - 12. I guess, their father left them just then. In his interview he said that he met Eteri a couple of times on the rink but it was many years ago. May be it was not about her father. But it cannot be about Eteri, I think.
 
I get that she was talking about Eteri, ofc, but if you think this is 'losing it' in an interview when she doesn't even say Eteri's name directly while Eteri has bashed her twice on national TV calling her childish, immature, ecc ecc... I mean. If I had been Zhenya I would have been less nice tbh :biggrin:
To me it sounds like she feels betrayed because of Eteri not holding Zagitova back, which would be very selfish. That's why it looks bad. And it honestly doesn't matter so much what she actually meant for PR, it's all about how it sounds to the general public and that does sound pretty bad. If people read it the way I did, it's a very bad choice for PR.

On the topic of "I was a good student, I didn't get F", it sounds pretty... well, odd to me. When I think of a good student I think of someone who gets an A 90+% of the time.
 
To me it sounds like she feels betrayed because of Eteri not holding Zagitova back, which would be very selfish. That's why it looks bad. And it honestly doesn't matter so much what she actually meant for PR, it's all about how it sounds to the general public and that does sound pretty bad. If people read it the way I did, it's a very bad choice for PR.

On the topic of "I was a good student, I didn't get F", it sounds pretty... well, odd to me. When I think of a good student I think of someone who gets an A 90+% of the time.

If she feels she was a good students who never failed her classs, I’m not sure why we should now argue on what makes a good student.

As for the Eteri bit, the holding Alina back thing is your personal interpretation, as nothing in what she said suggests that. At least we have proof Eteri’s tactic worked :noshake:
 
As for the Eteri bit, the holding Alina back thing is your personal interpretation, as nothing in what she said suggests that. At least we have proof Eteri’s tactic worked :noshake:
See, that's my whole point because I'm talking about it being a bad idea from a PR standpoint. I would say that my interpretation is a rather natural one. And having the natural interpretation be such isn't a good PR move. If she actually meant something completely different, this should have been made clear so that people cannot make interpretations such as this. This is different from me saying that this is definitely what she meant - It's simply me saying that her saying that in such a manner makes people naturally think that this is what she meant.
 
To me it sounds like she feels betrayed because of Eteri not holding Zagitova back, which would be very selfish. That's why it looks bad. And it honestly doesn't matter so much what she actually meant for PR, it's all about how it sounds to the general public and that does sound pretty bad. If people read it the way I did, it's a very bad choice for PR.
I think, with time, titles and medals she came to like old TAT "school" of hierarchy, maturity, 'knowing your place' and slowly earning your position, rather than breaking through using pure athletic excellence. Alina jumped in too quickly, didn't 'earn it'.

On the topic of "I was a good student, I didn't get F", it sounds pretty... well, odd to me. When I think of a good student I think of someone who gets an A 90+% of the time.
In my opinion, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to become a great athlete - there have been plenty examples of that.
Actually, great thing about sport is that it gives a chance to people of whole intellectual spectrum to excel. :thumbsup:
 
I agree that you don’t need to be smart to be a good athlete, but it certainly doesn’t hurt to think so and study hard 😁

I still don’t really see this as bad PR, this interview to me is very mild. Different views I guess!
 
She never said "her" she said "своей" which might be both "his" and "her". But she specifically mentioned the age when it happened - 12. I guess, their father left them just then. In his interview he said that he met Eteri a couple of times on the rink but it was many years ago. May be it was not about her father. But it cannot be about Eteri, I think.

Thank you for clearing that up. Funny how the part about her being twelve was oh-so-conveniently left out, huh? What does the perpetrator of the initial false information have to say about this? :)
 
Thank you for clearing that up. Funny how the part about her being twelve was oh-so-conveniently left out, huh? What does the perpetrator of the initial false information have to say about this? :)
If it's true that that's what it refers to, it's pretty shady journalism :noshake:
 
TBH it looked pretty snarky and passive aggressive in russian.
Nope. I'm Russian and her words didn't sound this way to me.

Her last interview and the comment on the Ex message are interpreted in a negative way by most people.
Which "most people"? Did you conduct some statistical study? Or you just have in mind this bunch of haters from sports.ru?
 
It should translate “The most difficult thing in the growing up period is to realize that the person who helps you is not always for you and works for HER own benefit. I can not understand it at all.”
It's not true. It should be translated as "THEIR own benefit", not "HER".
 
Thank you for clearing that up. Funny how the part about her being twelve was oh-so-conveniently left out, huh? What does the perpetrator of the initial false information have to say about this? :)
I don't think she meant her father, because she mentioned her father being absent in her life in other interviews. Plus her father claims, he's in good relationship with her mother.

It's not true. It should be translated as "THEIR own benefit", not "HER".
The exact Russian quote is untranslatable, you can theoretically put her/his/their there.
 
Thank you for clearing that up. Funny how the part about her being twelve was oh-so-conveniently left out, huh? What does the perpetrator of the initial false information have to say about this? :)

A would say that as the "her" is not her it was person in general. The same goes for that sentence, it's in a different paragraph so it may be not referring to previous which starts with the 12 year old comment. So both tars about "her" and samkrut about 12 year comment are interpretations as they see it.
 
I like to read your discussions about skating becuase you have knowledge(some of you:biggrin:) but you dont have knowledge of psychology and even if you have you dont have enough data to comment on this(commenting without data tells more about a commentator than object). so maybe back to figure skating.

goldenskate forum: Figure skating and psychology:laugh:

any news from Novogorsk?
 
To me it sounds like she feels betrayed because of Eteri not holding Zagitova back, which would be very selfish. That's why it looks bad. And it honestly doesn't matter so much what she actually meant for PR, it's all about how it sounds to the general public and that does sound pretty bad. If people read it the way I did, it's a very bad choice for PR.

On the topic of "I was a good student, I didn't get F", it sounds pretty... well, odd to me. When I think of a good student I think of someone who gets an A 90+% of the time.

A bit on russian schools.
Unlike many western schools, in Russia there is always a lot of homework. For example, when I moved to Brazil, I was *shocked* there is no homework at school - you just sit through classes, do an assignment or two and youre done. In my whole life, including all school and university, my 1st-3rd grades in Russia were the years when I did the most homework. Maybe this is outdated, so I asked my 11 years old nephew - yep, he spends between 3 and 5 hrs daily on his homework.
A nice detail is that tests are a very small portion of your grade. Most assignments are graded (you don't turn them in, you get an F). Class activity is also graded - so the teacher can ask you a question, and then give you and F if you do not know the answer.

Obviously, this is not compatible with elite training, because an athlete rarely has 8hrs a day just to study.

So athletes have it easier, much easier. This is, in part, the reason on why most of the younger ones do Physical Education at University, because it is where they can enter. The teachers usually support the kids who study in a regular school by reducing their study load - for example, they can "forgive" one's homework, or do not call to answer in class, leaving just tests. The kids who do not study in a regular school, it is just obviously easier. Ofc, in both cases, quality suffers.

For example, take Pogo: http://www.mk.ru/social/2015/05/22/anna-pogorilaya-prishlos-nanyat-trekh-repetitorov.html
She says here she needed to hire 3 teachers to catch up to be able to get grades good enough to enter university at the unified state exam (and it was Physical Education, which is not very prestigious, consequentially not being very hard to pass).

So, from an average russian point of view, boasting about how she is a good student and how she is intelligent, and how you need to be intelligent to compete on top level sounds quite delusional. It is actually funny, coming from any athlete. In best case, it sounds extremely naive.
In Zhenya's defense, I can say that it is very likely that she pretty much never hanged out with regular kids who go to regular school, so she has no knowledge of what school actually is.



OFF: Russian grades range from 5 (best) to 1. 1 is very rarely given, so you have something like:
5 - excellent
4 - good
3 - tolerable (while it is still a "pass" grade, it is considered a bad grade overall)
2 - fail
Those also allow gradation, so you can get a 4+ for example, or a 5-.

In Zhenya's interview, she said that she does not get 2's.

As for "good student"... The way Zhenya worded it is very strange to me, because it makes no sense. The word she uses for good student, "хорошист", literally means that you get mostly 4's ("good student" that gets 4 - "good" grade mostly) with some 5's (A guy who get mostly 5's is called "отличник"), and pretty much no 3's. We are not even talking of not getting 2's or 1's here. So when it is followed by "I get no 2's", it is just weird, because a "хорошист" gets no 3's, you don't need to explain you don't get 2's.
For me, this sounds a lot like a metaphor for "I get a lot of 3's actually".
 
Nope. I'm Russian and her words didn't sound this way to me.


Which "most people"? Did you conduct some statistical study? Or you just have in mind this bunch of haters from sports.ru?

I checked quite a few different websites and forums. Pretty much everywhere the comments are negative.
As for sports.ru - just a couple of weeks ago it was overflowing with her fans. I wonder where did they go on this one?
 
She specifically said that in sports you need to be smart, because in Russia there is such a stereotype: if you are athlete - you are stupid. So she tried to destroy this stereotype. She did not say that all people are stupid or something.
 
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