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[SeaniBu]

I am starting to really hope Kimmie does well at Worlds. I think there are people that want her to fail becuase she pulled a great "upset" at Worlds last year. But, did she really pull an "upset?" Sasha fell, per her usual performance, and the judges haven't ever been very "kind" to Fumie.....enter Kimmie that outskated both of them. What were the judges supposed to do? Reward a Cohen splatfest? Hold her up again? In the past they might have, but how could they deny that Kimmie deserved the win?
I think she'll do great at Worlds. Let people count her out, let the Japanese ladies duke it out at GPF, and let Kimmie go in unnoticed at Worlds.

I see what you mean, not that I think Kimmie will ever go unnoticed - below radar or however it is said - that might work very well for her at this time.

I really agree with RD on loose the 3a, I can only imagine how nice looking of a 2a she has if intentional. But if she is getting away with those cheats....well she probably wont stop. And what could she put in place of that that would keep the comp points possible up there so the numbers wouldn't be diminished?

And why don't the Judges give Fumie any favor - I only say this because others are given the "kind" score to so many others. There has got to be some reason.:scratch:

 

[R.D.]

I don't think anyone is wishing ill on Meissner. Maybe some Cohen fans over at YNW, but none I know of.

Sasha fell, per her usual performance, and the judges haven't ever been very "kind" to Fumie

Nah, it was WORSE than usual. That wasn't an average Sasha performance, it was a dismal one. By her standards, anyway. She may have even deserved 4th.

And Suguri made her share of mistakes as well. Kimmie capitalized on Cohen's disaster of a skate and set the bar high, which Suguri couldn't match. We'll see what happens in March.

 

[R.D.]

But, did [Meissner] really pull an "upset?"

Are you KIDDING me?! No one- and I really believe NO ONE- in ANY predictions for Worlds that I saw- had Kimmie winning or even on the podium. If someone said to me that Meissner was going to win the worlds I would have laughed in their face. Nuh uh, it would likely be Suguri, or maybe Cohen if she could keep herself in one piece, or maybe even hometown favorite Rochette. But KIMMIE? I mean, when I first heard the news I couldn't believe it. It sounded so weird. I think it was just as shocking, if not more so, than Sarah winning the Olympics.

 

[SeaniBu]

I think the thing that is shocking to me about Fumie "Bunniie" is how her scores for tech seem on the money yet PCS is lower on a fairly reliable basis - at least from what most veiwers might see. Where as other skaters seem to get the benefit of the doubt at the very LEAST going upward for the score from what viewers seem to feedback.

Questionable 2 foot from Sasha, "ah well just give it to her.
Questionable 1/2 cheat from Kimmie, awh, let it slide.
Questionable Anything from "Bunniie" better give her the level 3 on that and make her GOE light. Oh yah and 0 across the board.

Just puzzles me??? Well not that it is to hard to do that, but I think I am being open minded to FS in comparison. Seems to me there is a sentiment that Fumie gets robed A LOT. EVEN IF it doesn't change the placements, it still seems like she is scored "light."

 

[R.D.]

But Sean...you're a Fumie Fan, right?

In all seriousness, I think she may not get the benefit of the doubt at times. For example, I think a case could be made where she should have been on that Olympic podium.

 

[chuckm]

Did anyone bother to look at Fumie's protocol from Worlds?

Here's what she landed:
3Z+2T
3F
2S
3Z
3F+2T (GOE -2.29)
3T
2A+2T

Five triples. Doubled the salchow, awkward landing on flip combo. Yet Fumie got 119.15, the highest score she's ever gotten in international competition.

As to Fumie's PCS, it was the second highest score after Sasha's; Kimmie's was 3rd highest.

I think Fumie was treated very kindly, and I happen to be a Fumie fan (and a Kimmie fan).

 

[SeaniBu]

Not that one example really clears up that she is not given the benefit of the doubt in her favor a majority of the time - yes I was over exaggerating with the "all."

The fact that it was a "best for" Anyone at anytime is so common I am not sure where that goes either.

And I don't see that those scores were "inflated" - IOW I think the scores above were exsactly what she DID do - as where it is MORE arguable that others are OFTEN "inflated" for other skaters. Where as Bunniie......not so much to almost none.

What it comes down for me is the fact the Judges do not show her favor IMO. If it is given, it is in the same comp as others are shown favor as well - hence not really showing her, but the group.

Yes I guess I could be bias no matter how desperately I try not to be, IMM I would say her Jupiter was still ..... this is hard to word, because I think she gets what she "did" most of the time, but others have a tendency to have a little better then what they "did." Even if Fumie wins.

I am not trying to say this is all a sham when scoring her, but it does seem as though the scores are a noticeable amount "tighter" when scoring her. In reality I am not even saying she gets robbed, but in comparison to "possible" over inflated scores, Bunniie does not receive them as often (hardly ever) as much as others.

"Tie goes to the runner" as example, it will go in favor of others but FS she would be out. That is JMO.

And as always, I am not there to see and I am not the best person to say that "it is" - rather what it really is, just my opinion.:agree:

 

[R.D.]

what's "Bunnie"?

 

[gracefulswan]

Didn't the Caller catch that? If not who else saw the cheat?

well, i definitely saw it and not even on slow mo. the judges should take notice of it that's for sure. it's a shame that this can go so unnoticed by "expert" judges. i don't even have to watch it again to notice it as i saw it right off the bat.

 

[SeaniBu]

what's "Bunnie"?

Sorry, It's my own nick name for Fumie (bunny). Sorry. btw it's Bunniie

well, i definitely saw it and not even on slow mo. the judges should take notice of it that's for sure. it's a shame that this can go so unnoticed by "expert" judges. i don't even have to watch it again to notice it as i saw it right off the bat.

This is kind of what I was saying that Fumie would get "noticed."

Sorry I don't mean to highjack.


But this is bringing up the factors that are at attention in this thread - that was originally about "results."

How is this being missed when the skaters do it? - except when it's Fumie.

 

[R.D.]

Sorry, It's my own nick name for Fumie (bunny).

OK, now you're scaring me

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

well, i definitely saw it and not even on slow mo. the judges should take notice of it that's for sure. it's a shame that this can go so unnoticed by "expert" judges. i don't even have to watch it again to notice it as i saw it right off the bat.

Nothing one can do about it. The Caller is all powerful. All of us were holding our breath in Calgary and sitting directly across from him. Lambiel landed the 3A jump perfectly but the Caller said it was underrotated And we saw it LIVE, and it wasn't. So it works both ways.

Joe

 

[Mathman]

I agree with Sean about Fumie. It seems like the judges have in their minds the level that they have her pegged at. She can't get better scores than that no matter what she does, but they are quick to take away.

Maybe it's like that for all skaters.

 

[chuckm]

I agree with Sean about Fumie. It seems like the judges have in their minds the level that they have her pegged at. She can't get better scores than that no matter what she does, but they are quick to take away.

Let's face it: Fumie has technical limitations: no triple loop, and now it seems she doesn't have a 3S. She's never tried a 3/3 or even a triple jump sequence. Her spiral sequence is OK, but nothing spectacular. Some of her spins are great, some just average. Her expression has improved, but she's not known for great audience contact. Maybe the judges are rewarding her as best they can for what she does deliver.

I like Fumie and respect her tremendously for her longevity. But she's never knocked my socks off. Maybe the judges feel the same way about her.

 

[flying camel]

I think Fumie has made a lot of improvementts this year. She seems to work so hard. It is hard not to like her. She still has some fugly positions.

I remember around the time that she won the Grand Priix Final, she was doing triple luz/ triple toe. The toe was always two footed. All in all, if she is consistent with the jumps I think she will be in the top three in Japan.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I agree with Sean about Fumie. It seems like the judges have in their minds the level that they have her pegged at. She can't get better scores than that no matter what she does, but they are quick to take away.

Maybe it's like that for all skaters.

You know the cynic I am. It's not just the judges. It's the fans as well.

Sasha - will flutz
Stephane - will not land a 3A
Kwan - will not do a 3r
Meissner - will underrotate her 3A
Johnny, Jeffrey, Oda - will never land quads.
Carolina - will tire after the midpoint of her routine.
Alyssa - will not land several jumps.
Emily - will have a fall
Takahashi - will never have a clean LP

The above negative statements are held dearly by some judges and some fans. But that's the way it is in Skateland.

Joe