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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

atsumiri said:
cohen-esque
you won :scratch2: but
I'm still disagree a little bit))). :think::laugh: I need to think about it a little bit more) :scratch2:

ok, technically Junior Ladies can have 3A in SP as a combo.
3A3T 2A 3F or 3A3Lo 2A 3F (It will get +2.1 points for bv if you do it instead of 3lz)
for Senior Ladies more profitable to do 3A, 3Lz3T 3F or 3A 3Lz3Lo 3F than 2A 3A3T 3lz
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I think ISU officials could make an amendment to the J rules - those who performed 3A in a combo have the right to replace 2A with any non-repeating 3. Wouldn't that be fair? After all they amounts points. In short - isn't it ridiculous to force to fulfill a weaker jump?

This season i gonna see interesting & unexpected turns in Russia J/S...
 
They don't want to give any extra strength to Russian ladies... and they'll never do that anyway as they like to have (often archaic) requirements for jumps in the SP. Taking one away is counter-intuitive to them.
 
Spirals for Miles said:
They don't want to give any extra strength to Russian ladies... and they'll never do that anyway as they like to have (often archaic) requirements for jumps in the SP. Taking one away is counter-intuitive to them.
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The rule has been there forever, even when Russian ladies were not podium contenders. :sarcasm:

It's been 10 years since ISU allowed the solo triple axel in the short program for junior men and senior ladies. At that time, there were more than a dozen junior men but only a few senior ladies attempting the jump. Nowadays, the 3A is what differentiates the "ready-for-the-big-stage" and "not-there-yet" among junior men. On the other hand, there are only a very small number of ladies (junior or senior) successful with the 3A, and even less who are confident enough to attempt the jump in the short program.
 
Kostornaya is not going senior this year, right? why? I think I asked this stupid question before but I want her on the senior level :(((
 
Yes, that's why I thought.

also, do they announce the assignments for the Junior Grand Prix Series like they do for the seniors? Some are pretty close to me, I'm thinking I could go if I just find the time.
 
ioanablabla said:
Yes, that's why I thought.

also, do they announce the assignments for the Junior Grand Prix Series like they do for the seniors? Some are pretty close to me, I'm thinking I could go if I just find the time.
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No, they announce about a month before but have huge sub lists and they can replace any girl with one on the sub list. So if they announce, for example, Trusova and Kanysheva, but Kanysheva doesn't perform well originally, and if they have, say, Sinitsyna on the sub list for that event, they can sub them out even up to a couple of days beforehand.
 
Skye said:
The rule has been there forever, even when Russian ladies were not podium contenders. :sarcasm:
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The rule should probably be changed but I think what people are cynically suggesting is that now that Russian skaters are starting to show signs that they can master the 3a’s in juniors that certain federations may stand in the way of revoking such a rule. I mean...if the boys can do it than why not the girls? I can’t think of any reasons. Can you?



On the other hand, there are only a very small number of ladies (junior or senior) successful with the 3A, and even less who are confident enough to attempt the jump in the short program.
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Probably a little of cause and effect at play here...don’t you think :think:
 
TruMan said:
I think ISU officials could make an amendment to the J rules - those who performed 3A in a combo have the right to replace 2A with any non-repeating 3. Wouldn't that be fair? After all they amounts points. In short - isn't it ridiculous to force to fulfill a weaker jump?

This season i gonna see interesting & unexpected turns in Russia J/S...
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No, I don't think that is going to happen. The rule will stay as it is. Kostornaia would have to do what Mao Asada did with her SP: 2A, 3F, 3A3T (I believe she would not perform 3A2T. She handles -3T with ease, unlike Mao Asada)
That surely is a great risk to take in the short program, and bombing the 3A would mean losing the points of a combo which is a great proportion in the SP. From what I have read in April Kostornaia lands her 3A ~50% of the time. Unless she improves her success rate drastically during the off season, I doubt the team would go for such layout.

3A3Lo = 12.90
3A3T = 12.20
3Lz3Lo (x) = 11.88

3A3Lo is unlikely to happen. 3A has a great impact force at its landing and it's not that easy to stay balanced and jump the +3Lo combo on the same leg. Look at the 3As by Tonya Harding. Abt is probably the only person who jumped 3A3Lo in competition in FS history, AFAIK.
3A3T and 3Lz3Lo in the second half are achievable. However, considering the difference in points is a mere 0.3, I personally don't think it is worth the risk. Saying this, I am assuming that Kostornaia is able to consistently rotate her +3Lo, and the edge of her 3Lo does not progress to an "e".
 
Sam-Skwantch said:
The rule should probably be changed but I think what people are cynically suggesting is that now that Russian skaters are starting to show signs that they can master the 3a’s in juniors that certain federations may stand in the way of revoking such a rule. I mean...if the boys can do it than why not the girls? I can’t think of any reasons. Can you?

Probably a little of cause and effect at play here...don’t you think :think:
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Russians or no Russians, the short program has always been all about leveling the field. At the Junior Worlds 2008 (the last competition before the rule change) half of the men who advanced to the free skate had a 3A in their arsenal. This was not the case for ladies, which is why the rule change did not have the same impact and was considered premature. If and when an adequate number of girls show that they can do the 3A like they do their 3-3s, then the rules should change.
 
Skye said:
If and when an adequate number of girls show that they can do the 3A like they do their 3-3s, then the rules should change.
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Yes...I forgot we’re trying to create idols. We wouldn’t want to extend any athletic advantage to athletes based on athletic ability. :laugh:

All jokes aside...what the heck is an “adequate number”. Are you able to define it? I’m legitimately curious how many skaters need to catch up before we can treat the ladies the same as the men.

You have to admit that not allowing it in the SP has to have some impact when coaches and skaters weigh the benefits of learning the 3a. At least to some degree. If nothing else changing the rule might encourage more skaters to go for it which would in turn encourage even more to go for it. Do you think it’s hurt men’s skating?
 
Skye said:
Russians or no Russians, the short program has always been all about leveling the field. At the Junior Worlds 2008 (the last competition before the rule change) half of the men who advanced to the free skate had a 3A in their arsenal. This was not the case for ladies, which is why the rule change did not have the same impact and was considered premature. If and when an adequate number of girls show that they can do the 3A like they do their 3-3s, then the rules should change.
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I disagree. I'd argue that if solo 3A in SP was possible in juniors, more ladies would indeed become comfortable with the jump because they'd have more of an incentive to practice it. In general, I find the limitations on tech in the SP silly. Just allow quads and 3As in the SP. No reason not to.

"Leveling the playing field" is a terrible idea in general and shouldn't exist ever, in any form. The best should do the best.
 
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