2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[WhiteProphet]

I told you my opinion. I don't mind pantomiming.

You're forgetting the

Btw, I don't mind the drama that seems to permeate the program, it's fitting with the music. I'm sure the FS will defy any comparison.

 

[chopinskate]

You're forgetting the

Damn, your shade tho

 

[Eveliina]

At least have the courage to speak up instead of being half-shady. Lavenderblossom was bold enough to share her opinion :rofl2:


With how popular the russian juniors are, you're telling me that we won't see videos of their test skates? :sad21: if i lived in Russia or anywhere near, i'd run early in the morning to watch :scard7:

Usually the juniors are closed (previous years we haven’t have any videos etc)
But I think the seniors are open for public and we habe gotten many videos from the test skates from seniors

 

[bewitched]

I'm not implying anything, just stating a fact. I'm not the one bothered by pantomiming

I don't undestand how this could be called pantomiming... She is telling a story using face and body, and not pushing and pulling invisible objects?

People were complaining for the whole Olympic season that Alina has zero artistry in her free skate (and the theme isn't suitable for additional acting, it's just like a joyful dance of a young girl). Now she gets a program with a dramatic background which suggests that her facial expression will show worries, love, confusion, fear... and she does exactly this and she is pantomiming and copying Evgenia?

 

[KiraraChin]

You're forgetting the

Btw, I don't mind the drama that seems to permeate the program, it's fitting with the music. I'm sure the FS will defy any comparison.

Oh sorry, my bad. I didn't think you'd pay that much attention to my posts

Here it goes:

 

[WhiteProphet]

Oh sorry, my bad. I didn't think you'd pay that much attention to my posts

Here it goes:

Born to serve. Would be a pity to miss such subtle implications so well conceived

 

[KiraraChin]

Born to serve. Would be a pity to miss such subtle implications so well conceived

Implications? Lol, it seems I touched a nerve there...

 

[flanker]

No, in fact if you go back in this thread or the one about program music you'll see I was one of the few people that were very excited about POTO, because as overused as it is I love the music. I am glad she's not doing ballet again and I was not complaining about ballet in my post. I said that the choreo doesn't fully convince me because it looks a bit generic while last year's SP had struck me for its originality, but that I was waiting to see the program in competition to judge.

When did I ever blame her for not doing ballet?

That's how I read the comment, esp. in connection that some others complain she doesn't wear the tutu and staff like this (it even seemed as if several people divided one unfavourable opinion into several complementary comments ). OK, you didn't mean it that way and I understood it wrong, but then there should be specified what is considered original and what can be called generic. I admit that I'm still pretty new to figure skating but this sounds me pretty daring judgement calling it generic, at least from what I've seen from her POTO. We can't measure whose opinion is right just by our personal feelings but I see it as performance of the character, which means I believe her being the person she portrays. If the choreography allows me this feeling I can hardly call it generic. As for the originality, I would much more like to see genuineness. One of the main complaints towards Alina last season was that she doesn't portray characters and that's obviously what her and her team tries to show now, that Alina can be strong believable person on ice. So that's the way they aimed their effort, not towards "originality", I think there should be other values to seek out.
By the way, sometimes people become prisoners of their first appearance, because everybody suddenly expect that the second one must be even more surprising and being just great isn't enough. I think that's not fair

 

[yoloaxel]

That's how I read the comment, esp. in connection that some others complain she doesn't wear the tutu and staff like this (it even seemed as if several people divided one unfavourable opinion into several complementary comments ). OK, you didn't mean it that way and I understood it wrong, but then there should be specified what is considered original and what can be called generic. I admit that I'm still pretty new to figure skating but this sounds me pretty daring judgement calling it generic, at least from what I've seen from her POTO. We can't measure whose opinion is right just by our personal feelings but I see it as performance of the character, which means I believe her being the person she portrays. If the choreography allows me this feeling I can hardly call it generic. As for the originality, I would much more like to see genuineness. One of the main complaints towards Alina last season was that she doesn't portray characters and that's obviously what her and her team tries to show now, that alina can be strong believable person on ice. So that's the way they aimed their effort, not towards "originality" so I think there hould be other values to seek out.
By the way, sometimes people become prisoners of their first appearance, because everybody suddenly expect that the second one must be even more surprising and being just great isn't enough. I think that's not fair

It's obviously a matter of personal opinion - if it brings you joy, that's great, nobody's taking that away from you.

Upon seeing it for the first time it looked to me like something I've already seen (aka what I meant with generic) - like I said, I don't think it's bad, just a bit bland. That's my opinion based on one impression - as I said before, I want to see it in competition before I give a final judgement .

 

[lesnar001]

I'm not sure about this POTO program. I think the combo is rotated fine but to me, the jumps themselves look smaller than usual - like the combo Worlds in her SP. But more importantly, I don't like that it looks like a very Evgenia-styled program. They found individual styles for Alena, Alexandra, Anastasia T when she was there, and even last season Alina's choreo looked differently styled enough from Evgenia's to be distinctly hers. But the dramatic expressions and floaty choreo don't suit Alina, imo.
That said, it's a very short clip, maybe the rest of the program looks different.

It does not look like an Evgenia-styled program to me. Not at all.

 

[Shayuki]

I'm not sure about this POTO program. I think the combo is rotated fine but to me, the jumps themselves look smaller than usual - like the combo Worlds in her SP. But more importantly, I don't like that it looks like a very Evgenia-styled program. They found individual styles for Alena, Alexandra, Anastasia T when she was there, and even last season Alina's choreo looked differently styled enough from Evgenia's to be distinctly hers. But the dramatic expressions and floaty choreo don't suit Alina, imo.
That said, it's a very short clip, maybe the rest of the program looks different.

I disagree on most points. First of all, I don't think that this is an Evgenia-styled program at all. Her style is quite different from this. Obviously, they have some similarities with having the same coach and all, but that's it. Second, I disagree on the dramatic expressions not suiting Alina. I think dramatic programs have worked well for her.

Lovely rotation speed, but the jump is UR.

Very slightly considering the travel direction isn't directly horizontal. Eyeroll at you focusing on that.

More significant things about that video:
1. Controlled landing at such an age
2. Rotation speed approximately the same as Trusova's during her quads

But of course you'd focus on 5-10 degree UR on a 3S by a girl who's not even 8 and a half. It's probably rotated fully before the season begins.

 

[leoleo]

Alina's black swan was already very dramatic. Why are some people acting like being dramatic on the ice was invented very recently? It was always a thing in the sport should Sasha Cohen & Michelle Kwan ask Medvedeva & scherbakova (for instance) to pay copyrights infringement penalties for daring to show expressions in their skating too since they were already doing it before them? :shocked:

Of course Eteri and Daniil would chose to go for a different kind of program for her since she expressed the need to show more mature skating and a different image. It's fine to be taken aback by the change or to even dislike what we've seen so far but looking for silly things to point out like "omg she's using her hand, she's pantomiming like another skater " is so ridiculous to me

 

[skatingfan200]

Some of Zagitova's SP here.

That combo is pretty worrisome, looks extremely UR. Her jumps haven't really convinced me lately, hopefully they'll be ready to go for when the season begins...

Idk about ur in this video but I agree her jumps are often close to ur. (esp. the combo and her 3S)

What i can assume from this video is her wrong takeoff on the lutz (full blade).
Quality clip:
https://78.media.tumblr.com/6974d76a0022253e2214d846986e157f/tumblr_inline_p7mnm4w7yx1slyotu_540.gif

 

[SkySkater]

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Very slightly considering the travel direction isn't directly horizontal. Eyeroll at you focusing on that.

More significant things about that video:
1. Controlled landing at such an age
2. Rotation speed approximately the same as Trusova's during her quads

But of course you'd focus on 5-10 degree UR on a 3S by a girl who's not even 8 and a half. It's probably rotated fully before the season begins.

I think it’s a very good attempt for her age however I don’t think her rotation speed should be hailed as her best asset. Personally I’d much prefer if she had Sasha’s height on her quads in opposition to her rotation speed. For me whilst good rotation speed in terms of having a good body position is very important I can’t help but remember other skaters such as Gubanova who got her triples at a similarly young age due to fast rotation and ended up struggling when she grew because puberty meant that she couldn’t maintain that rotation speed (which is a problem not exclusive to Alena who is very talented for her age)

 

[moriel]

Zagi should be fine imho.
Artistically, its too early to judge programs before test skates (and even after those, the programs usually get a lot of polish).

So i think we should wait and see.

 

[moriel]

Zagi should be fine imho.
Artistically, its too early to judge programs before test skates (and even after those, the programs usually get a lot of polish).

So i think we should wait and see.

 

[lavenderblossom]

I disagree on most points. First of all, I don't think that this is an Evgenia-styled program at all. Her style is quite different from this. Obviously, they have some similarities with having the same coach and all, but that's it. Second, I disagree on the dramatic expressions not suiting Alina. I think dramatic programs have worked well for her.

Alina's black swan was already very dramatic. Why are some people acting like being dramatic on the ice was invented very recently? It was always a thing in the sport should Sasha Cohen & Michelle Kwan ask Medvedeva & scherbakova (for instance) to pay copyrights infringement penalties for daring to show expressions in their skating too since they were already doing it before them? :shocked:

Of course Eteri and Daniil would chose to go for a different kind of program for her since she expressed the need to show more mature skating and a different image. It's fine to be taken aback by the change or to even dislike what we've seen so far but looking for silly things to point out like "omg she's using her hand, she's pantomiming like another skater " is so ridiculous to me

Let me clarify something, I wasn't accusing Alina of copying anything, unless she choreographed this program herself, which would be quite the achievement. It's true that it's probably more to do with Eteri's standard packaging, of which the sort of things I thought were reminiscent of Evgenia's packaging, are a trademark. And something else - I liked Alina's programs last season. Not her skating, because I personally haven't gotten into it, but the programs were good, especially Black Swan; there were a couple of things I didn't like but overall it was a great program. But I saw one of her major strengths as being able to express emotion through the rest of her body, rather than her face, especially with her arms. So I'm a bit disappointed that in the clips I've seen of the SP she's gone in that direction, rather than exploring what she can do with the expanded range of movements she learned last season.

 

[lesnar001]

Let me clarify something, I wasn't accusing Alina of copying anything, unless she choreographed this program herself, which would be quite the achievement. It's true that it's probably more to do with Eteri's standard packaging, of which the sort of things I thought were reminiscent of Evgenia's packaging, are a trademark. And something else - I liked Alina's programs last season. Not her skating, because I personally haven't gotten into it, but the programs were good, especially Black Swan; there were a couple of things I didn't like but overall it was a great program. But I saw one of her major strengths as being able to express emotion through the rest of her body, rather than her face, especially with her arms. So I'm a bit disappointed that in the clips I've seen of the SP she's gone in that direction, rather than exploring what she can do with the expanded range of movements she learned last season.

I see her expressing emotions through her arms and body. Quite a bit. To me, the only move that even resembles Evgenia's packaging are the little backwards steps after the opening pose. And in what I assume is the short clip of the ending, the hand to the heart seems to be an homage to Julia L.

I am glad to see that this program is a different vehicle for her and look forward to the progress she makes with it.

 

[DanseMacabre]

Did Zagitova get taller recently? Or is it just the costume/lighting/whatever? Her legs look 8 miles long to me. I actually like her in that dress; I think the silhouette suits her. I didn't mind the tutus but it'll be nice to see her stretch her wings in terms of style.

 

[esteticlove]

The dress from her bank advertisement was very beautiful but I get a feeling that she enjoys dresses without sleeves. However, those normal dresses (without a tutu) demand tights in the boots, otherwise it looks kind of sloppy.