2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Sam-Skwantch]

Almost like they made the program then cut pieces of POTO to make it fit...

Seems like a smart way to go about things. :agree:

 

[Sugar Coated]

Seems like a smart way to go about things. :agree:

I’m sure that’s how they made the program but the way it’s ordered makes it feel choppy. It doesn’t seem to flow naturally from cut to cut and feels like some of the transitions are out of place. I hope they fix it before the major competitions.

 

[flanker]

I think from the reactions i've seen so far, most people agree that the music cuts are really weird and messy! :think:

There's nothing like majority's always right

 

[Ziotic]

Seems like a smart way to go about things. :agree:

Making a program that way is EVERYTHING that has gone wrong with skating.

You’re suppose to skate to a piece of music to create a story. Doing it how you’ve suggested takes all artistry from skating.

You may as well just have a technical competition where skaters do a series of elements, why bother with the music.

 

[Shayuki]

Making a program that way is EVERYTHING that has gone wrong with skating.

You’re suppose to skate to a piece of music to create a story. Doing it how you’ve suggested takes all artistry from skating.

You may as well just have a technical competition where skaters do a series of elements, why bother with the music.

That's what you always should do... You don't just make the entire music with all the cuts in their correct places and then hope you figure out choreo that works.

It's funny that we've now arrived at "The music fits the choreo too well, it no longer is artistic". Indeed, the transitions from piece to piece could be more fluid but ... I don't get this kind of criticism.

 

[Ziotic]

That's what you always should do... You don't just make the entire music with all the cuts in their correct places and then hope you figure out choreo that works.

It's funny that we've now arrived at "The music fits the choreo too well, it no longer is artistic". Indeed, the transitions from piece to piece could be more fluid but ... I don't get this kind of criticism.

This makes my soul die, no one who dances makes choreography then finds music to match it.

They find music that inspires them then create movement to match the musical queues.

Yes, in skating you have a layout of the program but you use the music to help guide where the appropriate place in the music should be for each element.

I myself was a junior competitive skater and never was a program for myself or anyone I knew ever made the way you’re suggesting.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Making a program that way is EVERYTHING that has gone wrong with skating.

In your opinion maybe but I’ve worked with cutting music before with skaters. It’s common to cut up music and adapt a skaters program to fit the music. It’s been going on for a very long time. .

You’re suppose to skate to a piece of music to create a story. Doing it how you’ve suggested takes all artistry from skating.

Who is making these rules and why should everyone not have the freedom to create in ways that inspire them instead of conforming to a single approach? This is a baffling thing to say IMO. What makes a good program will always be up for interpretation and that seems fair to me.

 

[Ziotic]

In your opinion maybe but I’ve worked with cutting music before with skaters. It’s common to cut up music and adapt a skaters program to fit the music. It’s been going on for a very long time. .




Who is making these rules and why should everyone not have the freedom to create in ways that inspire them instead of conforming to a single approach? This is a baffling thing to say IMO. What makes a good program will always be up for interpretationand thatvseems fair to me.

To a certain extent I agree that you cut and adapt music as for example the Shibs did with their Coldplay piece.

That’s not that same as what’s being done here.

While everyone is entitled their opinion, IMO its just awful/unartisct. I suppose I look at it as another way Eteri is gaming the system.

Let’s not create programs with actual flow/theme/continuity but rather chop music together to make sure each element has a musical highlight.

Again, you don’t have to agree with me, I know there are plenty others that do!

 

[zounger]

I guess next year we will have a rule to limit that kind of choreography.

 

[atsumiri]

That’s not that same as what’s being done here.

Have you been present when the program was created? :sarcasm:

 

[Ziotic]

Have you been present when the program was created? :sarcasm:

No, but I can say with fair certainty that she didn’t sit with an orchestra to make sure the nuances of the music were to her satisfaction...

 

[koatcue]

To a certain extent I agree that you cut and adapt music as for example the Shibs did with their Coldplay piece.

That’s not that same as what’s being done here.

While everyone is entitled their opinion, IMO its just awful/unartisct. I suppose I look at it as another way Eteri is gaming the system.

Let’s not create programs with actual flow/theme/continuity but rather chop music together to make sure each element has a musical highlight.

Again, you don’t have to agree with me, I know there are plenty others that do!

It seems whatever Eteri team does, it will trigger her haters no matter what You are waaay too dramatic here and you don't know a thing about her camp and the way they create their programs. Alina is artistic, IMO, as everybody like to use this abbreviation nowadays

 

[koatcue]

I guess next year we will have a rule to limit that kind of choreography.

Haters gonna hate...It humours me how some people changed their mind about Zhenia from negative to positive as soon as she changed her team. And suddenly they saw improvement in her skating

 

[Ziotic]

It seems whatever Eteri team does, it will trigger her haters no matter what You are waaay too dramatic here and you don't know a thing about her camp and the way they create their programs. Alina is artistic, IMO, as everybody like to use this abbreviation nowadays

I’m not disagreeing with her being artistic. She has nice lines and her musicality has greatly improved since last season.

It’s more to do with the way the program is constructed rather then how she is performing it.

I feel she would be better simply skating to one or maybe two piece from POTO.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

It seems whatever Eteri team does, it will trigger her haters no matter what You are waaay too dramatic here and you don't know a thing about her camp and the way they create their programs. Alina is artistic, IMO, as everybody like to use this abbreviation nowadays

Skaters using terrible music cuts, versions, dresses, etc. has been a part of skating for as long as it’s been around. It’s part of the fun. Not that I’m passing judgement on Alina’s program yet

Haven’t seen you post in a while. Nice to see you

 

[koatcue]

I’m not disagreeing with her being artistic. She has nice lines and her musicality has greatly improved since last season.

It’s more to do with the way the program is constructed rather then how she is performing it.

I feel she would be better simply skating to one or maybe two piece from POTO.

At first I didn't like her program, but it has grown on me as I watched it several more times. I think it has an idea to it and I don't mind those cuts now as I did before

 

[Spirals for Miles]

This makes my soul die, no one who dances makes choreography then finds music to match it.

They find music that inspires them then create movement to match the musical queues.

Yes, in skating you have a layout of the program but you use the music to help guide where the appropriate place in the music should be for each element.

I myself was a junior competitive skater and never was a program for myself or anyone I knew ever made the way you’re suggesting.

Good to know that I choreograph wrong.
Yeah, sometimes I choreograph to music, but sometimes I don't and wander around waiting for the right music to come to me

 

[koatcue]

Good to know that I choreograph wrong.
Yeah, sometimes I choreograph to music, but sometimes I don't and wander around waiting for the right music to come to me

Here comes the rules change and the choreography restriction. How dare you!

 

[atsumiri]

I feel she would be better simply skating to one or maybe two piece from POTO.

... like everybody else.
God forbid her to do something not-standard. :noshake:
how dare she? Who does she think she is.... :dev2:

 

[Ziotic]

... like everybody else.
God forbid her to do something not-standard. :noshake:
how dare she? Who does she think she is.... :dev2:

I doubt she had any real input to what she skated to.

Again, I don’t know for sure, but based on interviews from others about music selection at that camp I can once again make an educated guess.