2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[moriel]

Tukt's 3Lz

Yep <3
I really hope she is back to her Empress mode this season, and nails those 3Lz+3T for +5GOE
I mean, if she is somewhat clean and consistent, even without a 3A, she would deserve +4/+5 on pretty much all of her jumps.

 

[chopinskate]

Yep <3
I really hope she is back to her Empress mode this season, and nails those 3Lz+3T for +5GOE
I mean, if she is somewhat clean and consistent, even without a 3A, she would deserve +4/+5 on pretty much all of her jumps.

She should, according to guidelines. I'm not pinning my hopes on them though.

I know she's inconsistent, and was trying to get a 3A back, but I do wonder how her doing a 4T would have looked like.

 

[moriel]

She should, according to guidelines. I'm not pinning my hopes on them though.

I know she's inconsistent, and was trying to get a 3A back, but I do wonder how her doing a 4T would have looked like.

I think she wouldnt even need quads.
With just a bit more consistency (as in not bombing every single competition) and all the +5s, she could easily fight for the 3rd spot.

 

[chopinskate]

I think she wouldnt even need quads.
With just a bit more consistency (as in not bombing every single competition) and all the +5s, she could easily fight for the 3rd spot.

Oh, she could do a lot with consistency, and I hope she does very well this season. I just think her 4T would have been amazing to watch.

 

[Lovechihuahua]

I find it's funny to see some people blame Sasha's prerotations like she's the only one who prerotates while almost ALL the laides in thie field prerotated their toe-pick jumps.
Have you ever check the slow motion of Gabrielle Daleman and Kaetlyn Osmond's jumps? They have the most severe prerotations and they always get the highet GOE, especially daleman who recieved full marks of GOE on her flawed and eyesore 3t3t as long as she nailed it, which is unfair not adequate at all.
Sasha may prerotate her quads but most of the ladies prerotated their triples so Sasha is still the superior one and never fails to impress me.
Of course there are also some ladies have minimal prerotations which is pretty impressive, but the only ones I can remind are Miki Anto, Polina T and Liza T, etc.
Carolina has gorgeous 3Lz but she prerotates her flip and toeloop as well so I wouldn't call her jumps impressive.

 

[atsumiri]

Some users just envy because their fav .. can't do it.)
They're OK with heavily pre-rotated triples from their fav but not when other girls are able to do quads.
I don't even want to talk about men's quads.
This is a clear example of hypocrisy and double standards.

 

[Fluture]

I‘m going to be honest now: I don‘t care about prerotation at all. Sure, jumps without prerotation look better most of the time (Kostner, Tsurskaya, Tuktamysheva) but it‘s not like it‘s that bad to watch. I‘d rather have jumps with prerotation like the likes of Medvedeva, Zagitova, Osmond and Daleman do if they land their jumps and don‘t UR. Underrotations and falls is what really disrupts a program for me. Prerotation... you really only get to see the exact amount of it if you heavily slow down the jump and then look at it again. And even then it depends on camera angle etc... How are judges supposed to correctly deduct points for something you need so much time to figure out whether it’s 90 or 120 or 180 degrees?

And someone pointed at Gabby Daleman‘s 3T-3T being prerorated. Well, if it is, then I‘m being a bad figure skating fan but I love this jump combination of hers and I have never ever had a problem with it. But I‘m the one who doesn‘t have that much of a problem with a flutz either, so maybe I should leave outright. For me, wrong edges and prerotation don’t destroy a program at all but maybe that‘s just me. And it personally troubles to even think about punishing Sasha for her quads when there‘s so many ladies who prerotate on their triples and she doesn‘t even UR. If it‘s an underrotated quad or she falls then fine, deduct points but seriously for prerotation? I know I‘m ranting but I really don‘t get this problem, have never. Don‘t hate me but to me it looks like nitpicking. Correct technique should be encouraged, yes, so just give those ladies who don‘t pr more GOE. Problem solved. But don‘t deduct points for landed jumps if they‘re not severly underrotated which in most cases they are not.

 

[BillNeal]

As some posters already mentioned, they don't want to see Canadian ladies dragged into this thread , so I have refrained from responding to comments regarding them in this one instance.

Well, hopefully good jump technique gets rewarded more with this SOV in GOE. Last time I checked at the OG, the judges showered Med's uncalled 3Lze with 2's and 3's, her overall GOE score higher than Kostner's 3Lz with perfect technique (she did one in both team and individual getting the same lower GOE). Let's not forget, this is not the first Olympics where uncalled 3Lze (+3T< in the other case) gets high GOE. If Tukt got higher GOE for her technique, she might have been able to make the Olympic team.

 

[chopinskate]

If Tukt got higher GOE for her technique, she might have been able to make the Olympic team.

...No. I don't even like Med's jumps (or Zag's jumps for the most part, though I like her 3Lz-3Lo even if not perfect), but they aren't terrible enough to screw them out of spots on the Olympic team, when they had more difficult programs, if not better ones, and more consistent (-ish, in Zag's case) performances or at least track-record than Tukt through the season. Zag probably had the second best LP last season, sad as I find that.

I do think Tukt at her best is better than Med.

 

[Fluture]

As some posters already mentioned, they don't want to see Canadian ladies dragged into this thread , so I have refrained from responding to comments regarding them in this one instance.

Well, hopefully good jump technique gets rewarded more with this SOV in GOE. Last time I checked at the OG, the judges showered Med's uncalled 3Lze with 2's and 3's, her overall GOE score higher than Kostner's 3Lz with perfect technique (she did one in both team and individual getting the same lower GOE). Let's not forget, this is not the first Olympics where uncalled 3Lze (+3T< in the other case) gets high GOE. If Tukt got higher GOE for her technique, she might have been able to make the Olympic team.

Not the flutz discussion again, please. Yes, Medvedeva flutzes. Yes, we all know this. Yes, the GOE in this case was unfair. Yes and yes and yes. She still won the OSM and as much as I like Carolina Kostner (she‘s one of my faves in fact) she wouldn‘t have come close to Medvedeva even if her flutz had been called. Who else would have been able to overtake her? Osmond? She made a mistake and as far as I know, she flutzes, too. Satoko? With her tiny jumps? She is immensely artistic but those jumps - even with correct edges - are worse than Medvedeva‘s even if she flutzes. This is not like in Sochi at all. (For I know that’s what you implied) So, sorry for not being very polite but we’ve had this discussion far too often and it just starts to feel entirely unnecessary.

And no, Tuktamysheva wouldn‘t have made the Olympic Team because she was nowhere near the podium in her GP assignments (7th and 9th I believe...), 7th at Nationals. She did finish 3rd in two challenger events but 6th in another. 7th at Nationals. She was nowhere near getting on the Olympic team. Don‘t get me wrong, I do like her and I appreciate her technique but it would have been unfair had she been sent to the OG. Sotskova had a far more impressive season and while I‘m not exactly a fan of her, she did her best and she earned that spot on the OG.

 

[Lovechihuahua]

As some posters already mentioned, they don't want to see Canadian ladies dragged into this thread , so I have refrained from responding to comments regarding them in this one instance.

Well, hopefully good jump technique gets rewarded more with this SOV in GOE. Last time I checked at the OG, the judges showered Med's uncalled 3Lze with 2's and 3's, her overall GOE score higher than Kostner's 3Lz with perfect technique (she did one in both team and individual getting the same lower GOE). Let's not forget, this is not the first Olympics where uncalled 3Lze (+3T< in the other case) gets high GOE. If Tukt got higher GOE for her technique, she might have been able to make the Olympic team.

Well last time I checked at the OG, the judges showered Osmond's uncalled 3Lze with 2's and 3's, her overall GOE score higher than Kostner's 3Lz with perfect technique (she did one in both team and individual getting the same lower GOE). Let's not forget, this is not the first Olympics where uncalled 3Lze (+2T< in the other case) gets high. GOE((Joannie Rochette in Vancouver 2010 for example).

 

[moriel]

...No. I don't even like Med's jumps (or Zag's jumps for the most part, though I like her 3Lz-3Lo even if not perfect), but they aren't terrible enough to screw them out of spots on the Olympic team, when they had more difficult programs, if not better ones, and more consistent (-ish, in Zag's case) performances or at least track-record than Tukt through the season. Zag probably had the second best LP last season, sad as I find that.

I do think Tukt at her best is better than Med.

The main issue with Tukt when she jumps are the Mishin programs. Imho, dont beat me, she would greatly benefit from spending a season with Eteri (consistency + some work on everything that is not jumps + programs that are made to score higher).

 

[chopinskate]

The main issue with Tukt when she jumps are the Mishin programs. Imho, dont beat me, she would greatly benefit from spending a season with Eteri (consistency + some work on everything that is not jumps + programs that are made to score higher).

As long as she doesn't work on Tukt's jumps

I do think Tukt is very charismatic, and Mishin is probably not the best in terms of what programs are good. She did get that SP where she could display her natural performance ability, not sure what happened in the FS. Just anyone who can work on those types of programs for her, performance ability + big jumps.

 

[Fluture]

The main issue with Tukt when she jumps are the Mishin programs. Imho, dont beat me, she would greatly benefit from spending a season with Eteri (consistency + some work on everything that is not jumps + programs that are made to score higher).

I agree. Eteri should leave her jumps alone but if she doesn‘t try change her technique and only helps her with consistency and some programs with high scoring potential... that would only benefit Liza I believe.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

I think Liza would benefit most from some work on spins and packaging.

 

[Shayuki]

As some posters already mentioned, they don't want to see Canadian ladies dragged into this thread , so I have refrained from responding to comments regarding them in this one instance.

Well, hopefully good jump technique gets rewarded more with this SOV in GOE. Last time I checked at the OG, the judges showered Med's uncalled 3Lze with 2's and 3's, her overall GOE score higher than Kostner's 3Lz with perfect technique (she did one in both team and individual getting the same lower GOE). Let's not forget, this is not the first Olympics where uncalled 3Lze (+3T< in the other case) gets high GOE. If Tukt got higher GOE for her technique, she might have been able to make the Olympic team.

I too would like to see everyone's flutz called(equally for everyone, of course). We'd have been saved from a lot of discussion if Medvedeva got outscored by Zagitova by around 6 points rather than only 1 point. Perhaps she even wouldn't have changed coaches had that happened - who knows.


On your other point... Tuktamysheva? Remember there only was one spot so she'd have had to outperform Polina Tsurskaya and Maria Sotskova. Sotskova by the way also has proper Lutz technique but no one ever seems to recognize this... Probably because she URs all the time(A common problem for skaters who have a so-called good classic Lutz technique...).

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Is Tsurskaya’s lutz technique ideal as well?

 

[Bluediamonds09]

I am very very much looking forward to how Stanislava Konstantinova will do on the GP. I am not one of her haters, I wish her well even though I have issues with some things she does. Remember, if she does well she could get that third spot.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Mmm... she’d have to beat Panenkova, Tsurskaya, Sotskova, and Tuktamysheva for the third spot. But she does have some fed love...

 

[chopinskate]

Is Tsurskaya’s lutz technique ideal as well?

Not really, no. She has a deep outside edge on take-off, and gets good size, but she twists her upper-body into rotation at times, which means she is not really leveraging the full momentum of the take-off into rotation, which leads to borderline, scratchy landings. Also leads to not the best air position.