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Instead of a gold medalist? Or maybe Kostornaya who was the last to get her first spot? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017–18_ISU_Junior_Grand_Prix#Ladies
2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
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Instead of a gold medalist? Or maybe Kostornaya who was the last to get her first spot? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017–18_ISU_Junior_Grand_Prix#Ladies
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Yep. The reason Gulakova didn't get a second spot is because they had to scramble to get Kostornaya her assignments, as she wasn't accounted for.
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They also could've given Konstantinova the host spot over Mikhailova and given Gulyakova her spot from Belarus.
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No, but they could get Gulyakova her second spot before theydecided to give Kostornaya her first spot. After they gave Kostornaya her first spot, it was pretty obvious that she needs second spot and Guliakova had no chance to get another one. But that just supports what I am saying. They are likely to give first spot to anothr skater (Gubanova and possibly Vasilieva) rather than giving second spots to all second places.
There is 14 spots per country. I think it is VERY unlikely that they will be spread only among seven skaters. More likely it will be six skaters with two spots and 2 skaters with one each, or even five skaters with two each and four skaters with one each. The federation is interested in giving chance to as many skaters as possible, because they can’t be certain at this stage who of them will make it to seniors. Look at Proklova, how promising she looked before, or Tsurskaya. They have to balance it carefully, to give a chance to as many skaters as possible, but at the same time enable the best ones to get medals at JGPF.
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But should they have given her a second spot over Samodurova's first spot, then? Samodurova ended up winning 2 golds.
No, Samodurova would still have second spot but Kostornaya would be only in the last event and therefore not have two. Yes, Kostornaya got into JGPF, but if she had only one event it would have been Gulyakova who got into JGPF. But the federation decided to give a chance to another skater, without obviously knowing how well the skater will skate, rather than giving a second spot to a silver medal holder.
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I was talking about the first assignment of Samodurova's.
Last 3 JGPs last season:
Samodurova(first time), Tarakanova(won gold before)
Kostornaya(first time), Panenkova(won gold before)
Samodurova(won gold before), Kostornaya(won gold before)
Konstantinova would have been the one she'd have had to replace, for the 4th JGP event. But remember that the initial assignments are already set for that event by the time the first one's done.
If you seriously are suggesting that Gulakova should have had a second JGP assignment rather than giving Kostornaya a chance for two, I invite you to take a look at the competition that brought Kostornaya to JGP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNZoG-bmRM8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNpyjicfljE
And then try to seriously argue that Gulakova would have been a better choice.
Not to mention that, it's about either giving Gulakova a second assignment and giving Kostornaya no chance at all. It makes much more sense to give Kostornaya a chance, and then whoever did better in their first event would get a second. And Kostornaya obviously did better. But Kostornaya's level was NOT unknown, due to the competition I linked. And think about it. What would have happened if Kostornaya had had a terrible competition? Then Gulakova would simply have received the assignment for the final JGP event. It wasn't some mega risk they were taking. They just were giving a skater a chance rather than not giving her one.
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As long as everyone gets to the top 2, the optimal strategy is to first give a spot to 8 different skaters and then allow the 6 most successful ones to fight for a spot at the final. But they set aside 3 skaters who didn't get to the top 2, which allowed them to add another contender - Kostornaya, and choose between her and Gulyakova.
There is no point in leaving a single spot for someone who a priori can't get another one.
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Alena Kostornaya not getting a second spot? What? That would have been a crime! She‘s one of the biggest talents that emerged last year! Yes, Guliakova got a silver medal and she deserved to get a second spot but not at the expense of someone like Kostornaya. They should have sent Konstantinova to seniors instead of trying to get her into JGPF which didn‘t work out at all. Wasn‘t she third at her assignment? Then there would have been another free spot.
So, yes, Guliakova should have gotten a second event. But not Kostornaya‘s. Rusfed just messed up here. I don‘t know what they‘ll be doing this year but I just hope they‘ll be smarter. Send Gubanova to seniors, please! I like her and don‘t want her to become the new Konstantinova. But I also don‘t want her taking spots away from the juniors. She didn‘t even show up at test skates. That wasn‘t her fault and it wouldn‘t be her fault if rusfed sent her to JGP but why can‘t she just go to senior test skates and try to get some challengers and the host spot? That‘s a way better idea, to try and get some points for next season and maybe a reputation instead of just having one junior assignment without chances at further spots for Worlds etc. Russian #3 is still wide open. She could try to get it this season, try to go to Worlds, Europeans... maybe use the only chance she has left at making it to these events. But no, rusfed is sending her to JGP just like they did with Konstantinova thus depriving her of the chance to compete in seniors and robbing a talented junior lady of her spot. Not cool. Not at all. :disapp:
So, yes, Guliakova should have gotten a second event. But not Kostornaya‘s. Rusfed just messed up here. I don‘t know what they‘ll be doing this year but I just hope they‘ll be smarter. Send Gubanova to seniors, please! I like her and don‘t want her to become the new Konstantinova. But I also don‘t want her taking spots away from the juniors. She didn‘t even show up at test skates. That wasn‘t her fault and it wouldn‘t be her fault if rusfed sent her to JGP but why can‘t she just go to senior test skates and try to get some challengers and the host spot? That‘s a way better idea, to try and get some points for next season and maybe a reputation instead of just having one junior assignment without chances at further spots for Worlds etc. Russian #3 is still wide open. She could try to get it this season, try to go to Worlds, Europeans... maybe use the only chance she has left at making it to these events. But no, rusfed is sending her to JGP just like they did with Konstantinova thus depriving her of the chance to compete in seniors and robbing a talented junior lady of her spot. Not cool. Not at all. :disapp:
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No reason to fret over the JGP assignments. It’s like the moving staircases at Hogwarts, once you’re on them you might wind up somewhere other than where you had initially planned.
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I love how the JGP is so close together -- the JGP production crew and Ted are already in Linz! I suppose soon the Alena K.'s will arrive to dominate as well 
and of course former Russian lady, Anna Kuzmenko, will be there as well
and of course former Russian lady, Anna Kuzmenko, will be there as well
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I feel like it would still be worthier for Gubanova to get the Rostelecom host spot and do a couple of challengers (and hopefully secure the third spot at Nationals) than insist on the JGP. At the same time, I do feel the need to remind you all that she's the same age as Tarusina, so if she's "too old for juniors", Tarusina is, too. And it's not like Gubanova "lost opportunities". Last season, she had ONE bad event, which unfortunately happened to be her first JGP. It's not like she blew all her chances.
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I don't think it's the same. Tarusina has never skated on the JGP (although she was scheduled to before the accident). Gubanova has -- and last year she wasn't good enough to get a second spot. There's no guarantee she is this year, either, especially if she's been having boot problems. And Gubanova now has a powerful coach. While both enjoy CKSA privilege, Buyanova is still leagues above Davydov in terms of politicking. And Tarusina's big case that helped her get JGPs was winning Elder Age Nationals. The winner usually gets JGPs if age eligible, but it would be absurd to be given the host spot in return for winning what's essentially an advanced novice and junior competition. Gubanova's strongest event, on the other hand, was senior nationals, so she deserves a senior GP spot, that is, the Rostelecom spot, and it's ridiculous for her to still remain as a junior, especially when she would probably not earn a second event there either.
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She most likely has to face Shcherbakova, Trusova, or Kostornaya if she has one event (unless they go against each other) and MUST face one if she has two (same caveat). Can she really beat them? I don't think so, especially not with losing out on training time due to boot problems. She has a better chance to establish herself as a senior through the Rostelecom spot rather than losing to Eteri's girls two seasons in a row. That won't set her up well for the next season when they all move up, and of course, the JGP will be no easier that year with three new Eteri girls coming up.
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Let's try to move on from endless, repetitive Gubanova discourse: do you actually think all three Eteri superjuniors will move up to seniors next year? Even assuming the best case scenario where they go 1-2-3 at JGPF and JW are there enough spots/politicking for all three of them to get a senior debut with two GP assignments? Especially if they want all three of them to establish themselves as strongly as Zagi did in her first senior season. Imagine the dilemma for Rostelecom Cup that year! I wonder if, for example, they wouldn't keep Korstornaya in junior for just one more year (heh) in order to space things out a little bit.
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Nope...I think Anna will likely do another season on the JGP. At least at this point I do.
Most Russian ladies tend to do two years...Alina probably would have stayed down had it not been an Olympic season. The senior ranks are so crowded and space is optimal. Anna would benefit from winning the JWC before moving up after Sasha leaves if everything works out as expected. Or even Alena if she has a sophomore slump and Anna passes her.
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Yes, I think they will. Unless a bunch of skaters magically improve by a lot, Shcherbakova should be top 24 SB already with that huge score from Bratislava (well-deserved imo) and Trusova and Kostornaya should be up there as well. I think there will be room for them -- I don't think Radionova and Konstantinova will make the top 24, not with the new rule changes, and Samodurova might unfortunately get held down at Skate America to make room for Tennell. We also don't know how Sotskova is doing and whether she's fixed those URs that always bug her if called.
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