2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[zounger]

If there will not be a TAT A TA TA TAT A... mentality (little drummer boy rythm here, it will be Christmas time after all), then the best lady will win the nationals.

 

[Arbitrary]

During her latest interview in Yerevan Trusova said she's going to raise the technical difficulty even more, in due time.
She's sick with high temp, lost some weight and not filling well, so - not today, sorry.

We're talking about a Program with 3 quads though, not some minor 1-2 point differences. If Trusova for instance is clean there's no way she doesn't win.

With a clean FS she can score like 175 in Russia.

 

[Zhafiraiha]

Guys remind me again which Russian Junior ladies are working on her 3A? I remember someone mentioning it somewhere and I remember it isn't Sasha.

 

[Shayuki]

Guys remind me again which Russian Junior ladies are working on her 3A? I remember someone mentioning it somewhere and I remember it isn't Sasha.

Kostornaya, Shcherbakova at least.


By the way, in a Small Russian local that I assume no one knows is going on(livestream with 35 viewers), in advanced novice Elizaveta Berestovskaya got 74.78 points for her SP.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Kostornaya, Shcherbakova at least.


By the way, in a Small Russian local that I assume no one knows is going on(livestream with 35 viewers), in advanced novice Elizaveta Berestovskaya got 74.78 points for her SP.

Can you link the stream? I need to see this.
Is she really deserving to be 2pts ahead of Samodelkina right now, in your opinion?

 

[moriel]

Seniors ladies also are not allowed quads in the SP. But they are allowed 3A in the SP, unlike the juniors.



Kanysheva probably won't be allowed to compete. Last year, they didn't let Trusova or Tarakanova because they were under 14.

Chances are that Trusova doesnt focus on 3A right now simply because quads right now give her more advantage, since 1 quad > 1 3A
And then, next year, we will see her doing 2-3 3As across both programs.

 

[moriel]

During her latest interview in Yerevan Trusova said she's going to raise the technical difficulty even more, in due time.
She's sick with high temp, lost some weight and not filling well, so - not today, sorry.

My guess is that they will work on getting the layout with 3 quads more stable up to junior worlds, and then maybe throw in another one.
Kinda their strategy for the last year too.

I guess they will not focus on doing it for nationals since winning senior nationals doesnt bring Sasha that many benefits, since she is not eligible to spots. For me, it would make all sense to peak at JW instead, to turn seniors with a bang.

 

[Fluture]

My guess is that they will work on getting the layout with 3 quads more stable up to junior worlds, and then maybe throw in another one.
Kinda their strategy for the last year too.

I guess they will not focus on doing it for nationals since winning senior nationals doesnt bring Sasha that many benefits, since she is not eligible to spots. For me, it would make all sense to peak at JW instead, to turn seniors with a bang.

I agree. JW is actually much more important. Entering seniors with two back to back Junior Worlds wins is a huge benefit. Whereas a senior title only shows what we all know already: That she's technically stronger than the current seniors. I'm sure she'll do her best at Nationals, too but I'm not sure whether it will be the most important thing for her to focus on.

 

[atsumiri]

not really. rusnats is very important. You need to perform there well. To get to the National team... to get funding and reputation.
And it's really good opportunity to perform in front of a big audience and be able to compete with the best in the world. It's a really necessary experience to perform as a senior.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

JGP Armenia is finally over so I can finally say my congratulations to Sasha and Alena! JGPF qualifiers!!

 

[Arbitrary]

Trusova tried to learn 3A before. No progress in some time prompted her coaches to try quads.

For juniors quads are OK, but for seniors the SP with 3A or better 3A in combo with +10% may result in a big difference.
If one or two seniors were doing SP higher than Trusova can arrange, it's OK. But if many do the same, Trusova may be pushed out of first six after SP. That is a big problem. All the quads on Earth may not help in FP...

Chances are that Trusova doesnt focus on 3A right now simply because quads right now give her more advantage, since 1 quad > 1 3A
And then, next year, we will see her doing 2-3 3As across both programs.

 

[esteticlove]

Her both 2As are packed at the beginning of the program, right after the quads or between them which tells me that they intend to turn those into 3As at some point.

Edit: This also reminds me - do you think we'll see Scherbakova doing 3A soon?

 

[atsumiri]

for seniors the SP with 3A or better 3A in combo with +10% may result in a big difference.

it's a pointless to do 3A in combo in SP. Because then you will have to do 2a as a solo axel jump.

(For Senior & Junior Men and for Senior Ladies, when the triple Axel is executed as an Axel jump, it cannot be repeated again as a solo jump or in the jump combination.
Solo jumps must be different from the jumps included in the combination.)

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Her both 2As are packed at the beginning of the program, right after the quads or between them which tells me that they intend to turn those into 3As at some point.

Edit: This also reminds me - do you think we'll see Scherbakova doing 3A soon?

No, I think they're there to get them out of the way since there can only be 3 jumps in the second half and it's more rewarding to do what she does: 3Lz-3Lo, 3Lz-1Lo-3S, 3F

 

[Skater Boy]

the Triple axe in ladies may overall be more helpful unless you can do a lot of quads. If you can do a triple axel in the short program that is worth with GOE's threet ies as much as a double. But I think people are getting a little excited too fast. She is young and puberty could change things - look at Lipnskaya and even Evgenia. Still the future is bright for Russia - who would think Alina, Evgenia and Masha were "weak comparatively.

If we look at the "current" state of skating for Russia in ladies Seniors - this year it is looking challenging a bit or once thought. Alina seems to be regaining her consistency and confidence. But Masha has huge issues with UR's and still needs more style and presence. Evgenia - the jury is out. She is redeveloping herself. So we may need to wait until at least Euros assuming she makes i. Polina T and Radinova have been underwhelming. E.T is looking for a return to worlds. If she cold work on h er speed and pcs and continue the development reintro of the 3A who knows.

 

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Seniors ladies also are not allowed quads in the SP. But they are allowed 3A in the SP, unlike the juniors.

Really, I did not know that. ISU delegates are lost somewhere in the past times as they are discussing GOE ranges and other meaningless stuff while ignoring the progress in ladies figure skating. There should be equal rights for men and women!

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Turenko is starting to really impress me. First good work with Gubanova, now good work with Sakhanovich and Nugumanova. Might rank her above Mishin soon due to Mishin's poor layout choices and choreography.

 

[moriel]

Trusova tried to learn 3A before. No progress in some time prompted her coaches to try quads.

For juniors quads are OK, but for seniors the SP with 3A or better 3A in combo with +10% may result in a big difference.
If one or two seniors were doing SP higher than Trusova can arrange, it's OK. But if many do the same, Trusova may be pushed out of first six after SP. That is a big problem. All the quads on Earth may not help in FP...

My guess is that, if she wanted, she could do a 3A too.
The focus on quads in juniors makes sense because (1) it is more spectacular and (2) its higher BV (since you cannot use 3A or quads in short).
For seniors, where you can 3A in short, but you cannot quad, learning 3A makes more sense.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Turenko is starting to really impress me. First good work with Gubanova, now good work with Sakhanovich and Nugumanova. Might rank her above Mishin soon due to Mishin's poor layout choices and choreography.

^This

 

[TGee]

My guess is that, if she wanted, she could do a 3A too.
The focus on quads in juniors makes sense because (1) it is more spectacular and (2) its higher BV (since you cannot use 3A or quads in short).
For seniors, where you can 3A in short, but you cannot quad, learning 3A makes more sense.

But from what we see in Men's, getting the 3A early is very important.

Those who get it late seem to have recurring problems with it as seniors.

So, even if they can only put it in the FS, going for the 3A and getting it to competitive consistency before peak growth makes sense.

And we can't assume that the 2A will stay the norm in Ladies forever.