Alina Zagitova

[lusk8]

That Lz was good, so she normally took off for the second jump, and...

And yes, without such mistakes, one could start to think that this sport is just some free time pleasure.

A 1Lo is an invalid element, as Bradie taught me at Skate America, so that essentially slayed her 3Lz score (she got -5 GOE across the board because of the invalid element). And her 3Lz was at least a +4 on its own.

She made the rest of the program work to her advantage and delivered. I liked seeing that, liked that there wasn’t a fall. It used to be better to fall than pop but now with the cap on PCS (you can’t score higher than a 9 in anything if you have a fall), plus the fall deduction, plus the negative GOE on the fallen element I’m not so sure anymore which one is worse.

For Alina it worked out for the better, I’m glad she was smiling again at the press conference, she still looked not happy but she is a perfectionist. Part of me is glad she is not able to laugh it off, it is what makes her such a great athlete, and the other part wishes she wouldn’t feel so crushed because she doesn’t deserve it. She is amazing. I want her in high spirits for tomorrow.

 

[Finley]

Maybe in the Russian Ladies Thread, but they keep posting in the fan thread.

It is a continuing behaivor with this one.

It is. And always with a snide, passive-aggressive tone that isn't really worthy of reporting to the mods. (Unlike Vlad, that was pretty blatant.) I have to wonder what kind of person gets pleasure from picking at a 16 year old and being a wet blanket to their fans?

 

[madison]

She's not a robot, that it is why she popped the loop.
With google translate:

“Listen, we are not robots to always skate clean everything,” Zagitova told reporters when asked about the reason for the error. “I was worried about something. I was a little focused on the start, it was in a daze. I felt uncertainty. There is something to work on I am already an experienced athlete, I have to go overboard myself. "

“Less than a week ago, I started to get nervous,” she added. “Probably, this overstrain affected. I already had to go to the start, but I didn’t understand that I had to go to the start. I need to discuss this with the coaches again.”
https://rsport.ria.ru/figure_skating/20181102/1145305889.html

 

[TheBallerina]

She said it’s a nerves, but we still have FP, need to start from the beginning

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bpr4dlAHxSw/

Thank you so much Wise words, Alina :luv17:

 

[EdRoz]

Thank you EdRoz

She said it’s a nerves, but we still have FP, need to start from the beginning..

I have a lot of thoughts in my head, I have to leave them and go to the rink with a clean (??)head

 

[leoleo]

Nerves as i thought.
The british eurosport guy, i don't think he doesn't like her. I remember clearly early during last year's GP he was already saying "she could be the one to finally beat Medvedeva at the olympics" "She might be the most talented 15yrs old in the world right now" "She is marvelous" and things like that. They do praise her a lot. It's no big deal if they don't like her program or maybe thought her PCS score was too high, doesn't mean they don't like her. Commentators are allowed to have opinions too, they're just human. I mean Tarasova and her hatred for Mikhail? johny & Tara who... well seem to dislike everybody non-american :noshake:

 

[lesnar001]

The Eurosport guy is probably not her fan at all. I dont watch in on Eurosport but what I read here - mental error, she did not conncect with audience well so she is underscored .. I dont think it was mental error when she land it everytime nice in training and don't strugling with the combo in Germany and Japan too. This basicaly sometime happen, she show she is a human. Jump was probably too huge. And don't connected with audience? The spectactors love her!

Today does not look like best day for woman's figure skating at all. You not see that much errors very often. Hope tomorrow will be better thay for everybody.

If it is the same 2 gentlemen as usual, they are certainly fans of Alina.
As a matter of fact, one of them last year thought she had potential for an Olympic medal after Cup of China (her 1st Senior GP)

Maybe he thought she didn't connect today because she was too focused on getting through the program after the mistake.

I think "audience connection" is highly overrated anyways.

I have watched many great skaters over the years whose performances were more introverted.
Beautiful skaters and memorable performances.

To tell the truth, a lot of "audience friendly" performances - I find them phony and contrived. :disapp:

I don't think "audience connection" is high on the judges list of priorities anyway.

Her PCS was similar to Nebelhorn. The "pop" certainly didn't disrupt the program.
I could almost guess that every other element besides the 3Lz-3Lo was scored similar to Nebelhorn.
Except maybe the 2A and the very next spin might be lower in GOE because she did seem very cautious right after the mistake.

 

[zenskate]

I don't listen to Eurosport commentary after hearing the Eurosport guys saying that Alina needs to work on her skating skills :dev2:

Alina has great skating skills. -zenskate

Also they called Daniil "Dudakov"

 

[paji15]

In general, the guys from Eurosport are objective, very...

If it is the same 2 gentlemen as usual, they are certainly fans of Alina

.

As I said, I did not watch it today there. I just see there this. So if they are, good for them!! Thanks for noticing. I loved their comentators before so I was a little woried if they change them or sth.

And on the press Alina look calm, smiling. I dont understand her a lot, but never mind. So good to see. She will be fine tomorrow.

 

[Fluture]

She said it’s a nerves, but we still have FP, need to start from the beginning

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bpr4dlAHxSw/

That‘s the attitude we need. Forget about the SP and focus only on FS. She is experienced, she is tough and determined and she will be back to 100% tomorrow.

I join you Fluture, for a perfect Carmengitova tomorrow

She will do it!! Perfect Alina, perfect Carmengitova, perfect score, perfect everything! I tell you, we will forget the pop because she will show us a +5 worthy 3Lz-3Lo + my favourites: 3F (that was landed today wonderfully btw), those crazily difficult 2A (that was also landed!!!) and all the other jumps!!

 

[Tsuki]

Alina did the best she could after that mistake, the rest of the program was flawless. I don't think her PCS was too high like the commentator said, she only made one mistake and it would be weird to downgrade her PCS because of one element. No one had a perfect program anyway, I just hope she overcomes her nervousness for tomorrow.

I wanted to ask, if the 1Lo was an invalid element, then why does she still get negative GOE? The lutz itself had decent landing and the loop is invalid so shouldn't count at all?

 

[madison]

I don't listen to Eurosport commentary after hearing the Eurosport guys saying that Alina needs to work on her skating skills :dev2:



Also they called Daniil "Dudakov"

Not big thing...
It starts also with D lol

 

[Lunalovesskating]

Nerves as i thought.
The british eurosport guy, i don't think he doesn't like her. I remember clearly early during last year's GP he was already saying "she could be the one to finally beat Medvedeva at the olympics" "She might be the most talented 15yrs old in the world right now" "She is marvelous" and things like that. They do praise her a lot. It's no big deal if they don't like her program or maybe thought her PCS score was too high, doesn't mean they don't like her. Commentators are allowed to have opinions too, they're just human. I mean Tarasova and her hatred for Mikhail? johny & Tara who... well seem to dislike everybody non-american :noshake:

Yeah I do not think they try to be mean. They certainly enjoy her skating and often say that she is a great skater. Even the German Eurosport commentators praised her, said she must have had a blackout during her combo because it seemed so unlike her and praised her still after the skate saying she has such an amazing presence and no one is like her in their opinion. It was so funny the British commentators were shocked at the high PC score while the German ones predicted that she will get high PCs and will take the lead even before the scores came up

 

[lesnar001]

A 1Lo is an invalid element, as Bradie taught me at Skate America, so that essentially slayed her 3Lz score (she got -5 GOE across the board because of the invalid element). And her 3Lz was at least a +4 on its own.

She made the rest of the program work to her advantage and delivered. I liked seeing that, liked that there wasn’t a fall. It used to be better to fall than pop but now with the cap on PCS (you can’t score higher than a 9 in anything if you have a fall), plus the fall deduction, plus the negative GOE on the fallen element I’m not so sure anymore which one is worse.

For Alina it worked out for the better, I’m glad she was smiling again at the press conference, she still looked not happy but she is a perfectionist. Part of me is glad she is not able to laugh it off, it is what makes her such a great athlete, and the other part wishes she wouldn’t feel so crushed because she doesn’t deserve it. She is amazing. I want her in high spirits for tomorrow.

Thank you.

I totally forgot the 1Lo is invalid element. Now I understand fully the -5 GOE and the low base value.
RE: both Alina and Bradie - if only they had a crystal ball and could see 0.5 seconds into the future.

Then they would know NOT to go for the loop and add the combo on the solo triple later in the program.

But with popped jumps - sometimes they just happen. Scott Hamilton says it is almost like a reflex that can't be helped.

What is bizzare is that some were discussing the 3F not landing on the crescendo of the music starting with Nebelhorn.
Some were speculating it was to add room in case she needed the combo later.
Too bad we didn't get to see that plan in action today.

 

[leoleo]

Yeah I do not think they try to be mean. They certainly enjoy her skating and often say that she is a great skater. Even the German Eurosport commentators praised her, said she must have had a blackout during her combo because it seemed so unlike her and praised her still after the skate saying she has such an amazing presence and no one is like her in their opinion. It was so funny the British commentators were shocked at the high PC score while the German ones predicted that she will get high PCs and will take the lead even before the scores came up

Yeah just shows that commentators or not, pcs scores is always something that divides people. I mean even judges don't know what the hell they're doing most of the time. :noshake:

 

[5Axel]

Press conference:

https://youtu.be/IG3hL9VieMM

 

[zenskate]

Yeah I do not think they try to be mean. They certainly enjoy her skating and often say that she is a great skater. Even the German Eurosport commentators praised her, said she must have had a blackout during her combo because it seemed so unlike her and praised her still after the skate saying she has such an amazing presence and no one is like her in their opinion. It was so funny the British commentators were shocked at the high PC score while the German ones predicted that she will get high PCs and will take the lead even before the scores came up

Interesting. I should clarify that the Eurosport commentary I listened to was the British one. Maybe I should be listening to German commentary from now on

 

[lusk8]

Thank you.

I totally forgot the 1Lo is invalid element. Now I understand fully the -5 GOE and the low base value.
RE: both Alina and Bradie - if only they had a crystal ball and could see 0.5 seconds into the future.

Then they would know NOT to go for the loop and add the combo on the solo triple later in the program.

But with popped jumps - sometimes they just happen. Scott Hamilton says it is almost like a reflex that can't be helped.

What is bizzare is that some were discussing the 3F not landing on the crescendo of the music starting with Nebelhorn.
Some were speculating it was to add room in case she needed the combo later.
Too bad we didn't get to see that plan in action today.

I was part of the discussion about all the space arranged around that 3F in POTO, darn it we won’t see the reason for it just now.

When I saw that 1Lo I was like “JULIEEEET”, ok I was like “oh no”. Now that I know it’s an invalid element, options for the program are Yoda like “do it or do not there is no try”. If it had been a 2Lo it would have counted as a combo (paltry value that it has) and I’m sure she would have gotten positive GOE. 5 more points even, maybe.

When she goes for a Loop I don’t think she can make the pop into a double, I mean in execution, it’ll always be a single or a faulty 3 if it goes iffy.

But I’ll be Scarlet O’Hara: tomorrow is another day!! And Carmengitova will slay.

 

[Fluture]

Interesting. I should clarify that the Eurosport commentary I listened to was the British one. Maybe I should be listening to German commentary from now on

The German ones talk a bit much but they like Alina!!

 

[lesnar001]

My brain stopped working for a moment when Alina popped the loop. I couldn’t understand what was happening. She was PERFECT in practice. But then I calmed down a bit. If we remember last year, Alina always had some struggles in the SP at the beginning of the season and then showed a perfect FS afterwards. And now she doesn‘t even have to be perfect, she has a five point lead, her biggest competitor had some really, really, really bad luck, the others behind her are know to be inconsistent. I strongly believe she will be perfect but even if she isn‘t... a lot of things have to happen for her not to get that gold. I don’t think anyone could possibly overtake her. She will be fine and she will learn from this mistake and only come out stronger.

By tomorrow we will have forgotten already about the popped loop, we will only see beautiful smiling Alina and proud Eteri after a perfect skate and 150+ points!!

I think it is a little shocking also because I don't remember her popping any jumps last year - not even Worlds.

I wonder at some point if they will change 3Lz-3Lo to 3Lz-3T in the SP?

I'm not meaning to hit the panic button, but there is not TOO much difference in the BV versus losing 10-11 points for a "pop" on the loop.
And if IIRC she also popped the 3Lo in the LP at the test skates, but I don't think she has popped on 3Lz-3T.

Still surprised after the 3Lz-3Lo's she did in the 6 minute warmup - specifically the 2nd one.
But - it is a different mindset. If if you miss in practice, no harm done. However - when so much is riding on a split second in time during the SP.... the stakes are so high.

Anyway, I was certainly pleased that she did so well with the rest of the program.

And of all the skaters I saw (Angela Wang + the last group) I think only the 16 year old Japanese skater was clean.

A tough day all around for the skaters in the SP.