2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[hippomoomin]

But odds or the randomness of things seem to have a way of sorting the top three every season so far: every time we expect a tough selection regarding who will be sent to Worlds, it turned out the top three were pretty clear. Some ladies will have injury, some ladies will not live up to expectation, some ladies' jump will decline once reach senior...

 

[Skater Boy]

What Tsurskaya, Pogo? Radinova are these ladies still competitive or finished.

 

[Jontor]

Sorry if this has been discussed before. But why hasn't Gubanova been assigned to any GP events this year? Just saw her skate at Cup of Russia and she was fab!

 

[vorravorra]

Sorry if this has been discussed before. But why hasn't Gubanova been assigned to any GP events this year? Just saw her skate at Cup of Russia and she was fab!

You can't get assigned to GP events if you don't have a high enough SB or WS. It's not like in Junior GP where the Feds decide.

 

[Jontor]

You can't get assigned to GP events if you don't have a high enough SB or WS. It's not like in Junior GP where the Feds decide.

Sorry, but I don't knwo what SB or WS is. She finished 6th at Russian Nationals, beating the likes of Tuktamysheva, Panenkova, Samodurova - all present at the GP this year. So that wasn't enough?

 

[skatenewbie]

Sorry, but I don't knwo what SB or WS is. She finished 6th at Russian Nationals, beating the likes of Tuktamysheva, Panenkova, Samodurova - all present at the GP this year. So that wasn't enough?

Grand Prix circuit is event that invite skaters, to be guaranteed that you are invited you need to be in top 24 season best score/SB or in top 24 World Standing, which calculated from point you got from international competition in last 3 season iirc. You can also get invited by being host pick or placing in top 12 at World Championship the season before. Gubanova placed out of top 24 SB and WS also she's not competing at WC so she's not invited. Host pick chosen for Rostelecom is Samodurova. She can get assignment next season by posing high score in Tallin Trophy Challenger which she's assigned to in next few weeks so she can secured place in top 24 SB list.

 

[Jontor]

Grand Prix circuit is event that invite skaters, to be guaranteed that you are invited you need to be in top 24 season best score/SB or in top 24 World Standing, which calculated from point you got from international competition in last 3 season iirc. You can also get invited by being host pick or placing in top 12 at World Championship the season before. Gubanova placed out of top 24 SB and WS also she's not competing at WC so she's not invited. Host pick chosen for Rostelecom is Samodurova. She can get assignment next season by posing high score in Tallin Trophy Challenger which she's assigned to in next few weeks so she can secured place in top 24 SB list.

Thank you Skatenewbie. I never knew it was THAT complicated

 

[IceBallerina]

What Tsurskaya, Pogo? Radinova are these ladies still competitive or finished.

Well, to put it simply I don’t think they’re getting any of those three spots for Euro’s and Worlds…

Pogo just switched coaches, will not be going to nationals this year.

Elena is injured.

Polina is struggling - a mix of injury and a lot of URs on her jumps.

 

[lavoix]

NHK had weird scores.

I thought the Russians in ice dance were robbed, as was Liza for the silver.

 

[Scott512]

Sorry, but I don't knwo what SB or WS is. She finished 6th at Russian Nationals, beating the likes of Tuktamysheva, Panenkova, Samodurova - all present at the GP this year. So that wasn't enough?

Great point about the GP. True.

I know its total BS that Nastya has gotten the
shaft the way she has.

 

[Koatterce]

Sorry, but I don't knwo what SB or WS is. She finished 6th at Russian Nationals, beating the likes of Tuktamysheva, Panenkova, Samodurova - all present at the GP this year. So that wasn't enough?

I checked, Gubanova was #71 on last season's SB list (and currently #90 in world standings, may have been a little higher before the season started, not that it matters in this case). Since she was not top 24 on either list, she is not guaranteed any spots on the GP. Tuktamysheva (21) and Panenkova (22) both guaranteed their own spots through the SB list. Samodurova was #29, so although not officially guaranteed a spot, is high enough to be essentially guaranteed a spot or two (and she is the 9th ranked senior Russian lady based on SB, so the spot quota is not filled by higher ranked skaters).
Also, there is a limit of 3 skaters per country per discipline per GP (total 18 spots). The top 9 Russian ladies all got 2 spots, so the quota was filled after Samodurova (hence why Leonova, ranked #30, had to wait for a Russian withdrawal before she could get a spot). But even if Gubanova was not Russian, she is ranked too low on the SB list to have a realistic chance at a replacement spot. Her only realistic shot at a GP would have been the Rostelecom host spot, which was given to Samodurova.

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

Sorry, but I don't knwo what SB or WS is. She finished 6th at Russian Nationals, beating the likes of Tuktamysheva, Panenkova, Samodurova - all present at the GP this year. So that wasn't enough?

I mean, if Nastya decided to do seniors this season and finished on the podium
at a CS event, she could’ve been given the Rostelecom host pick, but she decided to

1. stay in juniors
and 2. miss junior test skates so she couldn’t even get a junior grand prix spot

why Nastya... why?

 

[hippomoomin]

I think something is not quite right with Sofia Akatieva. It seems she started the season late, and also kept both programs from last year??https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVWykvKO2fk
She looked fine in this skate. Is she 11 or 12 and will she be eligible for JGP next season? She has amazing skating skills and speed for her age.

 

[Azikin]

I think something is not quite right with Sofia Akatieva. It seems she started the season late, and also kept both programs from last year??https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVWykvKO2fk
She looked fine in this skate. Is she 11 or 12 and will she be eligible for JGP next season? She has amazing skating skills and speed for her age.

She's 11 and scored 198 points. I think she's quite OK..

 

[atsumiri]

Is she 11 or 12 and will she be eligible for JGP next season? She has amazing skating skills and speed for her age.

her bd 07/07/07 so it's 2 years/seasons more till she'll be eligible for JGP
season 19/20- Born before July 1, 2006 - Eligible for Junior Grand Prix - (Valieva, Usacheva .... and other
season 20/21- Born before July 1, 2007 - Eligible for Junior Grand Prix - (Samodelkina ... and other
season 21/22- Born before July 1, 2008 - Eligible for Junior Grand Prix - (Akatieva, Berestovskaya ... and other

 

[Miller]

More updates:
1. Trusova like Shcherbakova: 4Lz-3T and then 4Lz with a fall. She also doubled the planned 4T but won anyway. Kostornaya second.

Nationals qualifications:
Four spots left but we have to leave one for Tarusina who I can't see not winning in stage 5. So, three spots:
1. Gubanova (3+3)
2. Nugumanova (2+5)
3. Talalaikina (3+4) with a higher score than Shilenko (also 3+4)
Shilenko first alternate, Vasilieva second alternate.

My personal pipe dream would be if Vasilieva (and Shilenko) got substituted in via coaches' council instead of those on the GP with disappointing results.

Someone on the other site has said that someone else said that where placements are the same then it's total score that decides. In that case Talalaikina would be ahead of Nugumanova. Does anyone know if this is true? Also, something I've always wondered, are skaters who are already qualified to Nationals stripped out of the results when it comes to deciding who goes to Nationals. It seems a little unfair if you're in Russian Cup stage 4 and have Trusova and Kostornaya competing and hoovering up points that you might have otherwise got, while in other stages you have nobody competing that's qualified to Nationals already. Not that it makes a great deal of difference in this case, Gubanova would be on 1 + 3, Talalaikina on 2+2, Nugumanova on 1 + 3, and the tie breaks would still give the same result as above. However it might just make a difference to Talalaikina and Nugumanova as the skaters at Stage 5 will have a relatively easy life as there doesn't appear to be anyone competing who is already qualified to Nationals (Anastasia Tarakanova though? - have Alexandra, Anna S, and Alena competed so that they get through the Russian Cup final even though they've only competed in one event, in which case I would have thought Anastasia would also give it a go).

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Yes, it's true and my mistake. Current standings for the three spots are Gubanova, Talalaikina and then Nugumanova. The thing is that Russian Cup stages aren't just qualifications to nationals, they're also qualifications to the Cup Final, which is not only good competitive experience but a chance to get back some standing if one WDs from nationals or skates poorly there - it's probably a reason Shcherbakova was on the JGP at all - she beat Trusova there last year. Stripping this experience of skating at Russian Cups away from those who have already qualified to nationals also means that they can't skate at the Cup Final. And there's no guarantee that Trusova and Kostornaya won't be at stage 5 since it's in Moscow and to make the cup final they must skate at two stages. It's bad enough to me that they forced Shcherbakova to skate in juniors here because now she can't make the cup final at all since she skated seniors in event II and juniors in event IV.

 

[Miller]

Yes, it's true and my mistake. Current standings for the three spots are Gubanova, Talalaikina and then Nugumanova. The thing is that Russian Cup stages aren't just qualifications to nationals, they're also qualifications to the Cup Final, which is not only good competitive experience but a chance to get back some standing if one WDs from nationals or skates poorly there - it's probably a reason Shcherbakova was on the JGP at all - she beat Trusova there last year. Stripping this experience of skating at Russian Cups away from those who have already qualified to nationals also means that they can't skate at the Cup Final. And there's no guarantee that Trusova and Kostornaya won't be at stage 5 since it's in Moscow and to make the cup final they must skate at two stages. It's bad enough to me that they forced Shcherbakova to skate in juniors here because now she can't make the cup final at all since she skated seniors in event II and juniors in event IV.

Thanks for clarifying re Russian Cup Final qualification for Alexandra, Anna and Alena, I was wondering if they somehow automatically qualified by doing 1 event, seeing as they were already at JGPF or something. It's certainly fair enough that they can always skate for competitive experience, just that it might be a little unfair to other skaters in that case if they were deprived of going to Nationals because of what seems to me a little flaw in the rules.

 

[neusw]

Yes, it's true and my mistake. Current standings for the three spots are Gubanova, Talalaikina and then Nugumanova. The thing is that Russian Cup stages aren't just qualifications to nationals, they're also qualifications to the Cup Final, which is not only good competitive experience but a chance to get back some standing if one WDs from nationals or skates poorly there - it's probably a reason Shcherbakova was on the JGP at all - she beat Trusova there last year. Stripping this experience of skating at Russian Cups away from those who have already qualified to nationals also means that they can't skate at the Cup Final. And there's no guarantee that Trusova and Kostornaya won't be at stage 5 since it's in Moscow and to make the cup final they must skate at two stages. It's bad enough to me that they forced Shcherbakova to skate in juniors here because now she can't make the cup final at all since she skated seniors in event II and juniors in event IV.

Speaking of, is stage 5 the next time we can reasonably expect to see Alena and Sasha again? How many stages are there total?

 

[Spirals for Miles]

There are 5. Sasha and Alena aren't on the provisional entries list so I'm not sure we will see them. But we might.
Provisional entries: https://www.sportvokrug.ru/competitions/4708//participants/