2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Sam-Skwantch]

Anastasiia getting that 3z-3lo got me like

 

[katymay]

Yes I noticed this to! It is such a strange mistake to make, like dont the coaches know the rules?? All of her jumps where fantastic but she must have missed out on about 5pts from that mistake which realy was the coaches fault...

I guess that is what happened. I thought her skating was wonderful, and was surprised by how low the score was.

 

[serephy]

I guess that is what happened. I thought her skating was wonderful, and was surprised by how low the score was.

Also she got e on both her lutz’s which didn’t help.

 

[NAOTMAA]

Actually, both Maria and Irina won medals at worlds 1998: Irina, silver; Maria, bronze. So they share the title as first. Then Maria won Worlds the next year, 1999

Didn't Irina win the Bronze in 1996?

 

[Watch]

Masha:

Is it Buyanova or is it university?

If it is Buyanova, then I really hope that this isn’t the path that Nastya and Polina will have to go down as well... (actually Polina’s already on the path)

Might be both, I think. It's going so bad for her right now, I don't think it can be just Buyanova. But she certainly doesn't help.

 

[Alex65]

Today is a truly crazy day! Three competitions, two of them at the same time. Three clean 3A. Two clean 4Lz-3T. Trusova 4Lz-3T got 20+ points TES. OMG/ And much more. I guess I need a rest.

 

[VenusHalley]

Didn't Irina win the Bronze in 1996?

she did indeed.

 

[Skater Boy]

Kira Ivanova attended three Olympics. Tragic life, dealt with alcoholism and was violently murdered at the age of 38.

Actually I believe it was Elena Vorodorzeyva (known by her married name I think now Buy(something) won the first medal as a teenager? Followed by Kira Ivanova, Anna Kondrosheva then
Slutskaya, Butyrskaya, Soldatova, Sokolova, and the rest from Leonova, Lipniskaya, Radinova and Evgenia, Pogoloraya. something like that. I don't think Alina Zag or Sotnikova ever won at l east yet a world medal but I could be wrong. Poor Ivanova tragic life and she use to crumble and the sight of her rival Katarina Witt. Witt was pretty, vivacious, competitive and a true diva on and off ice. Kira could not handle the pressure and though she held promise as a free skater never fully got it together and became more a school figure specialist.

I think three Russian leaders in women's skating are Zagitova, Evgenia and Liza though Evgenia needs to show she can make the GPF first. She is struggling and her pcs have fallen like her skating.

 

[VenusHalley]

Masha:

Is it Buyanova or is it university?

If it is Buyanova, then I really hope that this isn’t the path that Nastya and Polina will have to go down as well... (actually Polina’s already on the path)

I think she should for now stick to university... maybe she can comeback... but I feel... she is hardworking and all, but she cannot bring a personality on ice to save her life. Only thing memorable about her are ugly tanos.

Not sure what could help here... different coach, taking time off and getting some life changing experience...

However, if she enjoys skating and competing and is able to afford that, then world to her and let her do her thing.

 

[hippomoomin]

I blame university. Maria was on the podium every time in her GP events in the past two years. If she could maintain last year's level, she would be mostly be in the mix. But now, it looks she regressed a lot from last year.
Someone mentioned she grew even taller over the summer. That could be a factor too.

it looks like Buyanova. Masha (no improvement over last years) and Polina and Elena struggling. Nastya not there yet, but her programs and packaging this season are just nope

 

[Wheelz]

Actually I believe it was Elena Vorodorzeyva (known by her married name I think now Buy(something) won the first medal as a teenager? Followed by Kira Ivanova, Anna Kondrosheva then
Slutskaya, Butyrskaya, Soldatova, Sokolova, and the rest from Leonova, Lipniskaya, Radinova and Evgenia, Pogoloraya. something like that. I don't think Alina Zag or Sotnikova ever won at l east yet a world medal but I could be wrong. Poor Ivanova tragic life and she use to crumble and the sight of her rival Katarina Witt. Witt was pretty, vivacious, competitive and a true diva on and off ice. Kira could not handle the pressure and though she held promise as a free skater never fully got it together and became more a school figure specialist.

I think three Russian leaders in women's skating are Zagitova, Evgenia and Liza though Evgenia needs to show she can make the GPF first. She is struggling and her pcs have fallen like her skating.

Katarina Will was a beast in terms of her competitive mettle. I remember watching a documentary about her about her and she said she was always nervous before competitions, but always knew in the back of her mind that she could handle it.

 

[Bluediamonds09]

I’m curious about the careers of Gubanova, Guliakova, and Nugumanova going forward. Can they still break through in a big way ?

 

[kalee]

If something crazy doesn’t happen at Cup of Russia, the podium should be:

At IDF, the podium will likely be

1. Rika
2. Evgenia
3. ?

Mai Mihara is a possibility. A very strong possibility and probably the biggest threat to Zhenya's GPF hopes at this point.

 

[Alexz]

Battle of quads. They both did approximately the same height ~55 cm. Girl power. Russian men should follow them around and make notes.

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[Fluture]

I think Liza entering the GPF after years of struggling and even Alena Leonova doing so well at her GP should send a very important message to the Russian senior ladies who are out there. I know that with the upcoming quad girls (above is insane btw. The height is just... wow) it might seem like they “won‘t stand a chance“ and for a few seasons this might be the case. But Liza just showed that if you truly want something, you can work towards it. So I‘m really thankful for her that she‘s sending this kind of message to the likes of Zhenya, Dasha, Polina, Masha and even Alina that not all will be lost even if next season the young ones will prevail. You can make a comeback and stay relevant, get medals on the GP circuit and actually make it to Worlds teams if you fight. Congrats to Liza for managing to get a GPF ticket again after some time and her bronze at NHK. May many of the Russians follow. Zhenya, Alina, davai!

 

[moriel]

I think Liza entering the GPF after years of struggling and even Alena Leonova doing so well at her GP should send a very important message to the Russian senior ladies who are out there. I know that with the upcoming quad girls (above is insane btw. The height is just... wow) it might seem like they “won‘t stand a chance“ and for a few seasons this might be the case. But Liza just showed that if you truly want something, you can work towards it. So I‘m really thankful for her that she‘s sending this kind of message to the likes of Zhenya, Dasha, Polina, Masha and even Alina that not all will be lost even if next season the young ones will prevail. You can make a comeback and stay relevant, get medals on the GP circuit and actually make it to Worlds teams if you fight. Congrats to Liza for managing to get a GPF ticket again after some time and her bronze at NHK. May many of the Russians follow. Zhenya, Alina, davai!

Id say it is debatable.
The main issue here is that this sends message not just to the senior girls who struggle, but also to the junior B team. Which is fairly large, i mean, look at all those girls with silver and bronze medals at JGP this year.

 

[colormyworld240]

We literally had a thread like this two days ago where Alena had bigger Salchows, Loops, Flips, and Toeloops, and iveralll, and then essentially has equal height in Lutzes and Axels.

I generally agree with you on the rest. I feel like Alena’s IN has dropped a level since last season, where she did a better job IMO. Anna has by far the best IN skills of the current junior crop... maybe other than Kanysheva, who this season is one of those few skaters who is able to express their program’s concept on the ice *without* a blindingly pretentious interview spelling it out off of the ice.

IF you're talking about overall jump height, I'm not sure you can discount Sasha's quads. Obviously you can't compare them directly to triples, but you're talking about who jumps higher overall, and Sasha's quads are huge. And I'm not sure you can compare -3Lo to a solo 3Lo.

 

[malya]

I think Liza entering the GPF after years of struggling and even Alena Leonova doing so well at her GP should send a very important message to the Russian senior ladies who are out there. I know that with the upcoming quad girls (above is insane btw. The height is just... wow) it might seem like they “won‘t stand a chance“ and for a few seasons this might be the case. But Liza just showed that if you truly want something, you can work towards it. So I‘m really thankful for her that she‘s sending this kind of message to the likes of Zhenya, Dasha, Polina, Masha and even Alina that not all will be lost even if next season the young ones will prevail. You can make a comeback and stay relevant, get medals on the GP circuit and actually make it to Worlds teams if you fight. Congrats to Liza for managing to get a GPF ticket again after some time and her bronze at NHK. May many of the Russians follow. Zhenya, Alina, davai!

I think Liza's return to a contender for the worlds team is only possible because she recovered something that no other russian lady has: her 3A.

If Sotskova or Panenkova get in their top form again in ~2 seasons they will have major problems to get to the top again because they will have to prove they are better and more interesting than a lot of other russian girls with their BV or higher...

 

[Jontor]

I think Liza entering the GPF after years of struggling and even Alena Leonova doing so well at her GP should send a very important message to the Russian senior ladies who are out there. I know that with the upcoming quad girls (above is insane btw. The height is just... wow) it might seem like they “won‘t stand a chance“ and for a few seasons this might be the case. But Liza just showed that if you truly want something, you can work towards it. So I‘m really thankful for her that she‘s sending this kind of message to the likes of Zhenya, Dasha, Polina, Masha and even Alina that not all will be lost even if next season the young ones will prevail. You can make a comeback and stay relevant, get medals on the GP circuit and actually make it to Worlds teams if you fight. Congrats to Liza for managing to get a GPF ticket again after some time and her bronze at NHK. May many of the Russians follow. Zhenya, Alina, davai!

Maria Butyrskaya proved this. If you don't give up you can still make it, and she was the first Russian lady to win the worlds in 99. And she was 26 yo and I believe she is still the oldest woman ever to win worlds?.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

I think Liza's return to a contender for the worlds team is only possible because she recovered something that no other russian lady has: her 3A.

Her jumps looked magnificent this weekend. Her 3Lz-3T has great flow on the landing and adding that back into her SP could give her even more of a boost. She has great spark when she's hitting the jumps, but I wish she could find some choreographer that would teach her to extend and stretch her movement. She looks so uncommitted to her choreography with her body movement, although she tries to sell it with her face.