2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
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Elizabet has already obtained international medals and seems more confident/stronger in her jumping. You can tell Eteri has been focusing on her weak points.
Under Orser she significantly regressed, one expected her to medal at least at challenger/4 continents, but always made significant mistakes.
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Alena is almost a full year older than the other two, it would make sense for her to experience puberty earlier. She lucked out by being born in August and has no chance to win everything in seniors while still 15.
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Please share this vision with the judges who have been giving her lower scores this season
I know the goal is to eventually surpass these marks obviously but it can be concerning to and nerve wracking for some. I see some good decisions being made to hopefully prolong her career and potentially give her a reliable technique into adulthood. I also see some decisions that seem rather unfortunate. I’m not very opinionated honestly. Equally concerned and confident.- - - Updated - - -
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Please share this vision with the judges who have been giving her lower scores this season
Wait wait lmao so you're saying the judges word is the objective truth right? So you'd seriously argue that a skater like Alina Zagitova has better SS than Satoko Miyahara? Or as good as Caro? Or that she has the greatest program components of any active singles skater (including Yuzuru Hanyu, who, if you negate the factoring of PCS, will see that judges gifted Alina better PCS than Yuzuru thus far in the season)?? I can't help but laugh
I'm dipping out now cuz id hate to be the reason this thread gets derailed once again, apologies to the mods
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On the topic of Zhenya’s SS:
I was appalled by her receiving 8s in that category at ACI, but then I realized that there was a significant reduction in the seconds Zhenya spent on one foot. And I don’t think there’s that big a difference in her flow yet, since under Eteri she had pretty good flow in the step sequences anyway. And she also suffered through a huge loss of flexibility (not related, but I’m just curious why she isn’t as flexible).
And Alina receiving better PCS than Yuzuru was all because of the all-too-nice panel at Nebelhorn. That was ONE event. At both ACI and SC Zhenya received 8.60 - 8.90 for SS in comparison to the consistent 9s she had been getting before the coaching change.
But on a related note: even Alina received an 8 in SS (yeah even Alina) at her grand prix event. So maybe judges as a whole are being stricter? Or maybe the Olympic inflation is finally decreasing.
I was appalled by her receiving 8s in that category at ACI, but then I realized that there was a significant reduction in the seconds Zhenya spent on one foot. And I don’t think there’s that big a difference in her flow yet, since under Eteri she had pretty good flow in the step sequences anyway. And she also suffered through a huge loss of flexibility (not related, but I’m just curious why she isn’t as flexible).
And Alina receiving better PCS than Yuzuru was all because of the all-too-nice panel at Nebelhorn. That was ONE event. At both ACI and SC Zhenya received 8.60 - 8.90 for SS in comparison to the consistent 9s she had been getting before the coaching change.
But on a related note: even Alina received an 8 in SS (yeah even Alina) at her grand prix event. So maybe judges as a whole are being stricter? Or maybe the Olympic inflation is finally decreasing.
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Wait wait lmao so you're saying the judges word is the objective truth?? So you'd seriously argue that a skater like Alina Zagitova has better SS than Satoko Miyahara? Or as good as Caro? Or that she has the greatest program components of any active singles skater (including Yuzuru Hanyu, who, if you negate the factoring of PCS, will see that judges gifted Alina better PCS than Yuzuru thus far in the season)?? I can't help but laugh
I'm dipping out now cuz id hate to be the reason this thread gets derailed once again, apologies to the mods
You’re missing my point here I think. I don’t care what the judges score and am not interested in what people “should” be scored. I said I thought that her SS have “disappeared” (obvious exaggeration) and you said that it was subjective and that to you they have in your estimation visibly improved. Maybe they have visibly improved to you but to me she’s now often doing shoulder shimmies and leg kicks in places that she used to do light and difficult steps. Maybe her interpretation marks are improving...I haven’t checked
Regardless of how subjective PCS is what is not subjective is that her SS scores have in fact trended downwards. That’s my point and the only reason I brought it up. It is why I asked you to share your vision with the judges because I’d rather they agree with you and in turn improve her scores. That’s what I want to see because I’m always rooting for her.
And this is actually objective.
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Evgenia's back is injured, according to her and Brian. She's being plagued by back pains that flare up (from what I've heard). Hence the absence of a layback spin this season. I suspect this also might be affecting her spins in general because it looks harder for her to hold those positions. Her solo loop, which used to be one of her best jumps, has been a struggle now. Makes sense being that loops put a lot of pressure on the hips and back. She's practicing loop combos it seems however. I don't know, back injuries are weird. I have always had back problems and there's days I can do anything without pain and then there's days I can't get out of bed.
On the topic of PCS - I don't see why there's a controversy. Her programs aren't as complex as they were previously, it's a simple as that. They don't play to her strengths as well either. I admire wanting to do something different, but this shouldn't come as a surprise that her PC scores aren't as high. If she goes clean, settles into the programs more and adds more choreo then we should see them rise.
As for the whole Alina's PCS vs Yuzuru's... no sense in comparing two skaters in two different disciplines across different competitions. They both have their strengths. No doubt Hanyu is a beautiful and well rounded skater. Just remember, Alina's programs are built to get as many points as possible. Jumps to the beat, crazy transitions, hitting musical accents, etc. It's what makes her PCS so high and in my opinion she does it well.
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One of the most nonsense comparison I have ever seen for many years. Although I don't agree with Zagitova's PCS and sometimes I find Hanyu underscored, comparing their PCS made no sense. People think that is the best way to discredit Zagitova and prove her PCS unjustified. But no, it's one of the most stupid things one can do.
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If skaters have excellent SS you can see it in crossovers, which of course doesn't mean they only do crossovers, but if they do steps, it's with deep clean edges, speed and good ice coverage. Zhenya never had it and still doesn't, although I think they are working on it. She used to compensate better than now, giving her "Canadian" programs risks exposing her weaknesses since Canadians generally don't have anything they need to hide or compensate for, if their school is known for something it's SS. On the other hand they found a way to handle Javi whose SS are not exactly his biggest strength, so they may figure something out.
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Mmm but she has one huge advantage that Anna and Sasha don't - At 4'9 (2 inches of which were gained over the summer) genetically she is not likely to grow all that much bigger because her family are TINY. For example her mother is only apparently only 4'6 and has a very similar body type to what Alena has right now. 4'9 is also a whole 7 inch gain from when she was 12 so while it may look like she is just beginning puberty Alena could very well be further done the puberty route than she gets credit for. God knows she has finally grown into her skates from last season when we all joked how big they were. Anna and Sasha have a lot of growing left in them and we don't know how that is going to look for them.
As for being visibly emotional at her JGP, you need to go read and listen to her interviews to understand why that probably was. They set one main goal for her this year. It wasn't to win, it wasn't to break records - it was to skate cleanly and consistently every time she went out. They wanted to establish her reputation as a highly consistent skater, the one they could trust to secure a win no matter what. Now I don't think that was a very fair or realistic goal, everybody makes mistakes sometimes, but that's the goal they had set for her and she blew it at Ostrava, so yeah, she was pretty upset by it. And fair enough. I think anybody would be upset if they blew their one goal of the season, especially on what is traditionally their best and most easy element.
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Hmm Avdokhin of sports.ru has started to promote some love here
Fans seem to going fight soon in FS. There is no such angriness even in football.
https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/allresp/2238864.html
Fans seem to going fight soon in FS. There is no such angriness even in football.
https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/allresp/2238864.html
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1 of the points:
- popular fan-group of "some female athlete" who will not be in Megasport Arena during Кубок Ростелеком has planned a flash mob - to decorate the arena by banners with the image of this athlete. Probably for psychological pressure on the rivals, who will currently skate.
- fan group of "another female skater" who currently will skate there promotes the action to stop yelling, making noise and generally speaking before and during the performance of their favorite athlete.
Gonna be interesting "repetition" before Nationals
- popular fan-group of "some female athlete" who will not be in Megasport Arena during Кубок Ростелеком has planned a flash mob - to decorate the arena by banners with the image of this athlete. Probably for psychological pressure on the rivals, who will currently skate.
- fan group of "another female skater" who currently will skate there promotes the action to stop yelling, making noise and generally speaking before and during the performance of their favorite athlete.
Gonna be interesting "repetition" before Nationals
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Avdokhin is deeply saddened by the fact that his and his fellow contributor's piercing insights such as " Zagitova is having problems. Her first place is a luck", "Medvedeva had the worst skate in her life! What happened?", "Medvedeva vs Zagitova. When will they met and whose program is better?", "It seems like Kolyada will always fall. It's a psychology" (right before the Helsinki GP) aren't popular amongst sports.ru fellas who keep telling him to shut up.
He also made his own contribution to fight for a peace within fandom - by making a poll "Who's the best skater in the ladies field right now? Vote!" Sorry, I just can't with this man
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When you came to the wrong fan sector on Rostelecom
https://giphy.com/gifs/the-walking-dead-zombies-rick-grimes-KiPeUaBBlvKyk
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Whoa, really? So Tutberidze is the only elite coach left. Who has Tsareva's rink now?
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They shared one rink. There are still some "minor" coaches, who work with little kids.
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Thanks.
On another note, Gulyakova is entered for Warsaw Cup and is expected to do well!
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