2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[neusw]

Team Orser needs to help her mentally. Bringing in a new combo with the GPF on the line wasn't smart.

Agreed. Too much too soon, even if everything is going well in practice.

 

[alpaca]

I am sure that the team "Medvedeva is on the right track" will put the blinders and keep going on. No, no, no, no. She is not on the right track. Just look at her face and the face of Borser in K&C. Those are not faces of people who are on the right track. She has to ask for Eteri's forgiveness as soon as possible because now she may not make the team this year already. And this will be the end of her "non Leonova career".

She was my inspiration after Yulia retired. She was one of a kind. I even started a thread some time ago: "Can Medvedeva become the best ever?" Now behind the talks about "improvements" I see her becoming an average skater with North American style. I am very sad today.

Are you serious? Ask for Eteri's forgiveness? Zhenya did not commit some atrocious crime against Eteri, regardless of of what people's personal opinions may be, objectively she did what she thought best for herself. Is Zhenya Russia's #1 as of this season? From what we've seen, no, she's not getting the scores she used to get. I still have faith in Orser and Tracy and Zhenya's whole team based on how they were in the K & C post program. Orser himself said that she's not going to be able jump left and right and grasp every new technique and concept right away and it'll be a long and rocky process but in the end, like the Euro commentators said, hopefully it'll be one step back and two steps forward. As of today, she's in the one step back area. I'm confident she'll be able to move two steps forward soon, however.

I think honestly with all the people giving her such negative comments and Russian media following her every step, the stress seems to have really gotten to her. We must remember, she IS still a teenage girl, not even 20 yet. To have so much pressure at that age, cannot be easy. I hope she stays off social media and and the interviews, other media things and really is able to stay in a protective bubble from the negativity to maximize her confidence and training. I'm confident she and Borser and his team will be able to do that.

 

[moriel]

Congrats to team Mishin.

@VenusHalley. People don't hate Zhenya because she left Eteri, but are not happy with the way she left. In Russian culture, students are expected to respect and praise their teachers, and aknowledge teacher's contributions to their success. We really do not see how one can call "humiliation" aknowledging that a teach spent over 10 years with you and led you to several major medals. We really do not see how going to this teacher and saying "thank you" is humiliation. You simply aknowledge your teacher's contribution to your career, and express your gratitude for it.
Under this assumption, Zhenya's behaviour seems ungrateful to many.

 

[Warwick360]

I am sure that the team "Medvedeva is on the right track" will put the blinders and keep going on. No, no, no, no. She is not on the right track. Just look at her face and the face of Borser in K&C. Those are not faces of people who are on the right track. She has to ask for Eteri's forgiveness as soon as possible because now she may not make the team this year already. And this will be the end of her "non Leonova career".

She was my inspiration after Yulia retired. She was one of a kind. I even started a thread some time ago: "Can Medvedeva become the best ever?" Now behind the talks about "improvements" I see her becoming an average skater with North American style. I am very sad today.

How did JULIA do once the puberty hit her? Not so great, right? Not saying Brian is the way for her. But I would definitely not dare imply that none of her current problems would arise if she was with Eteri. Sure, she could have possibly have had another podium filled year. And what after? Has Eteri even managed to coach one of her female skater beyond their 20s?:disagree:

 

[starla16]

I feel her problems started UNDER Eteri... that is why she left. She does NOT have to humiliate herself to make Eteribots happy.

Evgenia had several injuries going on (including back injury). And now there is immense pressure on her from people who decided to hate her just because she left Eteri.

Hopefully, she can figure out her problems before the nationals and do what is the best for her. Remember, Tuktik came back after several lackluster seasons. So Evgenia can do it too, maybe.

It might take longer time for her as I understand they are relearning some jumps ? Tuk always had solid jump technique her problem was mostly mental and she became more fit this season.

 

[VenusHalley]

Congrats to team Mishin.

@VenusHalley. People don't hate Zhenya because she left Eteri, but are not happy with the way she left. In Russian culture, students are expected to respect and praise their teachers, and aknowledge teacher's contributions to their success. We really do not see how one can call "humiliation" aknowledging that a teach spent over 10 years with you and led you to several major medals. We really do not see how going to this teacher and saying "thank you" is humiliation. You simply aknowledge your teacher's contribution to your career, and express your gratitude for it.
Under this assumption, Zhenya's behaviour seems ungrateful to many.

Did she talk crap to her in the media? She didn't. She expressed she is grateful. It was Eteri that was flinging feces on Zhenya, bringing out the dirt and lies as she did with other who left her.

 

[jenm]

I am sure that the team "Medvedeva is on the right track" will put the blinders and keep going on. No, no, no, no. She is not on the right track. Just look at her face and the face of Borser in K&C. Those are not faces of people who are on the right track. She has to ask for Eteri's forgiveness as soon as possible because now she may not make the team this year already. And this will be the end of her "non Leonova career".

She was my inspiration after Yulia retired. She was one of a kind. I even started a thread some time ago: "Can Medvedeva become the best ever?" Now behind the talks about "improvements" I see her becoming an average skater with North American style. I am very sad today.

Strongly disagree.

They are correcting her techniques which, btw, started when she was under Eteri. Her jumping technique was not built on a foundation that will last. And she wanted to have longevity. It's why she transferred to Brian. Look at her axel and salchow. She has made improvements. They're only starting out so we cannot expect her to be at 100% all the time. This will take time. And I will wait for Zhenya's time to shine again with better techniques and a more loving support group.

 

[moriel]

Are you serious? Ask for Eteri's forgiveness? Zhenya did not commit some atrocious crime against Eteri, regardless of of what people's personal opinions may be, objectively she did what she thought best for herself. Is Zhenya Russia's #1 as of this season? From what we've seen, no, she's not getting the scores she used to get. I still have faith in Orser and Tracy and Zhenya's whole team based on how they were in the K & C post program. Orser himself said that she's not going to be able jump left and right and grasp every new technique and concept right away and it'll be a long and rocky process but in the end, like the Euro commentators said, hopefully it'll be one step back and two steps forward. As of today, she's in the one step back area. I'm confident she'll be able to move two steps forward soon, however.

I think honestly with all the people giving her such negative comments and Russian media following her every step, the stress seems to have really gotten to her. We must remember, she IS still a teenage girl, not even 20 yet. To have so much pressure at that age, cannot be easy. I hope she stays off social media and and the interviews, other media things and really is able to stay in a protective bubble from the negativity to maximize her confidence and training. I'm confident she and Borser and his team will be able to do that.

Technically in the case Zhenya x Eteri, for Russians at least, Zhenya is in the wrong. Not because she left, but because of how she left. Nobody blames her for doing what she thought was best for her.

As for negative comments, all athletes suffer that. Zhenya's fans were pestering Diana Davis on instagram right after Zhenya left Eteri. Alina, who is just 16 btw, said she reads all that people write about her. You think she was happy when fans were proclaiming Zhenya "our heart's champion" after the Olympics? And all the hate she got after the Olympics? Or that when they were bashing her after the worlds? You may also check Tuktik's social networks and all the nice comments she sometimes gets. All top skaters, unfortunately, suffer such pressure, Zhenya is no exception. And overall, it is even debatable if Zhenya is the one who got the most hate this year.

 

[moriel]

Strongly disagree.

They are correcting her techniques which, btw, started when she was under Eteri. Her jumping technique was not built on a foundation that will last. And she wanted to have longevity. It's why she transferred to Brian. Look at her axel and salchow. She has made improvements. They're only starting out so we cannot expect her to be at 100% all the time. This will take time. And I will wait for Zhenya's time to shine again with better techniques and a more loving support group.

Her salchow was always great. This is why she was trying 4S btw.
3F+3T used to be her money combo. How is it going?

When people say "improvements" they forget Zhenya was injured last year. If you compare her jumps now with her jumps before last season...

 

[koatcue]

How did JULIA do once the puberty hit her? Not so great, right? Not saying Brian is the way for her. But I would definitely not dare imply that none of her current problems would arise if she was with Eteri. Sure, she could have possibly have had another podium filled year. And what after? Has Eteri even managed to coach one of her female skater beyond their 20s?:disagree:

She didn't have such chance, to be honest. Everybody left her at one point (speaking of her star-students at least). And the reason, I think, lies in high competition at her camp. So I won't degrade Eteri's position to just a kids coach only.

 

[moriel]

Anyways, some updates for rusnats and next year.
Trusova taking Lz combos to a whole new level: https://www.instagram.com/p/BqkV1ijCQUc/

 

[koatcue]

Strongly disagree.

They are correcting her techniques which, btw, started when she was under Eteri. Her jumping technique was not built on a foundation that will last. And she wanted to have longevity. It's why she transferred to Brian. Look at her axel and salchow. She has made improvements. They're only starting out so we cannot expect her to be at 100% all the time. This will take time. And I will wait for Zhenya's time to shine again with better techniques and a more loving support group.

I won't say that her jumps got stronger. At least not in competition. Her axel became better and that's all to me

 

[Imagine]

Anyways, some updates for rusnats and next year.
Trusova taking Lz combos to a whole new level: https://www.instagram.com/p/BqkV1ijCQUc/

Oh you have got to be joking...

She's officially crazy. At this rate, Trusova and Yuzuru will be snapping Instagram pics together from their hospital beds before the season ends...

 

[Deripashka]

Did she talk crap to her in the media? She didn't. She expressed she is grateful. It was Eteri that was flinging feces on Zhenya, bringing out the dirt and lies as she did with other who left her.

Venus, can be more specific? I didnt notice that Eteri would "flinged feces" on Eugenia or those others skaters. I saw her said that she was surprised by manner in which Zhenia left her group and honestly, it was really childish behaviour from Zhenia side.

 

[Warwick360]

Did she talk crap to her in the media? She didn't. She expressed she is grateful. It was Eteri that was flinging feces on Zhenya, bringing out the dirt and lies as she did with other who left her.

Exactly. Eteri posts pic of their wattsapp conversation. And claims Evgenia said what she apparently said after the Pyeonghcang event, which may or may not be true. And even if true, why would someone reveal something when heard in confidence? Some people act here as if Evgenia spited the all encompassing/infallible mother nature herself.

 

[Noxchild]

Who could forget when Med egged Eteri's apartment and poured grease all over Sambo 70's rink when she switched to Orser? Oh wait that never happened lol... so what does she need to be sorry to Eteri for?

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

I won't say that her jumps got stronger. At least not in competition. Her axel became better and that's all to me

Yeah, the 2A is visibly improved, but I don't see other improvements when it comes to the jumps. To be fair, virtually everyone loses consistency on their jumps by the time they're Evgenia's age. She's struggled with injuries last year so I'm sure she's also not able to do the same number of repetitions as she could when she was 15.

 

[jenm]

I won't say that her jumps got stronger. At least not in competition. Her axel became better and that's all to me

You cannot correct or improve on everything at once. Her 2A was her weakest jump before so they might have started with that.

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All I'm saying is that her skating is a work in progress as of now and we can't really expect topnotch results on day one. Reworking techniques take time and a lot of effort.
What Zhenya needs is support, not people who discourage her when she's just starting on a new direction.

 

[Warwick360]

She didn't have such chance, to be honest. Everybody left her at one point (speaking of her star-students at least). And the reason, I think, lies in high competition at her camp. So I won't degrade Eteri's position to just a kids coach only.

And whose fault is that? We'll see how long the new batch last and remain in her roster. It's not like Eteri has been coaching for only one Olympics cycle, to use mass exodus of this year as a reason for not having over 20s.

 

[j00mla]

How did JULIA do once the puberty hit her? Not so great, right? Not saying Brian is the way for her. But I would definitely not dare imply that none of her current problems would arise if she was with Eteri. Sure, she could have possibly have had another podium filled year. And what after? Has Eteri even managed to coach one of her female skater beyond their 20s?:disagree:

It is incorrect to compare Orser and Eteri on their work with pupils. Orser works with adults. Eteri with children and teenagers, which all pass through "coming of age" - through different psychological problems, rebelliousness and so on. Comparing and criticizing these two coaches is the same as giving to one tailor denim and the other silk. And to criticize the first one for not enough elegant evening dress, and the second one for fragile work pants.