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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

I really don't think that Anna's like Medvedeva at all... I consider them to be very different skaters. Anna also doesn't have small jumps as some issue, the 4Lutz is huge after all. Similarly, I don't consider the edge a weakness - there's a very good chance that she can fine tune herself to have no edge issues on either Flip or Lutz, which is quite rate. I also think that she has pretty good 3A potential with her rotation speed and I'm confident we'll see it eventually. I doubt she's fully recovered, after all - It's not even been a year since she returned to competition off a major injury. Judging by the past examples, next season should be when Anna would return to good results.

Anna has a very favorable body type, great physical form even after injuries(work ethic), and the extreme rotation speed, which I doubt will go away in a significant manner. If we begin discussing her potential outcomes instead of just concentrating on the type of skater she is, she's indeed the skater I'm most confident in maintaining her jumps after puberty.

I really don‘t know why people always seem to take it as an insult when youg skaters are compared to Medvedeva. Or why they always mean it as an insult when they make comparisons for that matter. For all her technical problems, Medvedeva after all has many favorable qualities that made her what she is now. World Champion and Olympic Silver Medalist and co. She has great work ethics which I think she inspired the other girls in her group with, especially Anna, who has been the longest with Eteri of the wonder trio. She also has great musicality and incredible mental grit and strength.

So, obviously Anna is technically advanced, she‘s got more difficult combos and the quad. But in general, yes, she reminds me of Evgenia and that‘s in fact one of the reasons why I like her so much. She has great musicality, she is very fragile looking but still radiates an aura of determination when she takes the ice. Body type wise, she looks pretty similar to a young Evgenia, I know people used to say of her too, that she was too thin and too small and everything when it was just the way she was naturally looking.

She has better rotational speed than Medvedeva had even in her junior years but similarly some edge issues even though they aren‘t as pronounced as Evgenia‘s were and still are. She flutzed pretty hard even in junior days whereas Anna‘s case is pretty weird. She sometimes has a flutz, then it‘s a flat edge and sometimes it looks even outside. Normally you see a flutz even from a bad angle, it never looks outside but rather flat if you‘re being generous. Recently Anna’s edges seem improved a bit, though, at least to my eye which is particularly unusual. Her spins are also wonderful. She has great flexibility in her positions and while I like some of the unique positions Alena and Nastya Tarakanova are doing, better, Anna‘s spins are definitely really, really good.


She also has mental strength, it‘s clear she wants to achieve a lot and she‘s actively working for it. Her problems in the SP aren‘t confidence issues to my mind but rather her not being completely restored. She was seriously injured after all.

I am fairly certain Anna‘s jumps will survive puberty. Whether she‘s the one I‘d have most faith in in keeping her jumps isn‘t as certain though. Sasha looks like someone who would even if she grew to be as tall as Polina. She has a combination of fast rotation and height as well.

Anna relies on rotational speed primarily, rather than height - at least on her triples and 2A - but her body type is favorable, genetics speak for her, too as her mom looks similar to her, figure wise. The only thing that could be critical to my mind would be injuries. She already had a fair share and she is training quads, too which are very dangerous. I hope she and her team are careful on her body so that she can survive many years in the senior ranks. This counts for Sasha as well. Of course, someone like Alena can also end up injured, no skater is immune to that and especially not if she starts training 3A again. But quads are on a whole different level. That’s in my opinion the only thing that could maybe prevent Anna, Sasha (and Alena as well) from rocking in the senior ranks. I hope they are careful and don‘t push their body too much if it tells them to stop. They can win without quads anyway.
 
I really don‘t know why people always seem to take it as an insult when youg skaters are compared to Medvedeva. Or why they always mean it as an insult when they make comparisons for that matter.

None of which means Scherbackova and Medvedeva are similar skaters though? That's all Shayuki was even saying.

This thread is just... Weirdly hyper-defensive, no matter which side someone's on.
 
None of which means Scherbackova and Medvedeva are similar skaters though? That's all Shayuki was even saying.

This thread is just... Weirdly hyper-defensive, no matter which side someone's on.

Didn‘t even particularly mean Shayuki in this case. I quoted this comment because it was a continuation to the discussion that originally was sparked by a different post.

“she's has deficiency like poor skating skills, she is a more upgraded Med prototype but same concerns and issues like jumping from upper body and unclear flip and lutzes“

And when I read this, it doesn‘t seem favorable to either Anna or Medvedeva, it‘s like an insult to both of them. That‘s what I was saying. I always read comments like this on social media as well and it‘s both putting Anna and Medvedeva down. It‘s like reducing them only to the negative similarities they share when there‘s lots of positive things that can be noted either. Maybe I should edit my post. I‘m just annoyed with all this: “Eteri‘s new, upgraded Evgenia prototype = Anna“ kind of posts.

And when you read the post, I was agreeing with many arguments about Anna only that for me there are still similarities with Evgenia that I find striking whereas Shayuki doesn‘t see them. I was just trying to post an opinion so that we might be able to continue this discussion. I wasn‘t trying to sound overtly defensive or anything by doing this. :shrug:
 
I was just trying to post an opinion so that we might be able to continue this discussion. I wasn‘t trying to sound overtly defensive or anything by doing this. :shrug:

Alright. The thread does have a weirdly hyper-defensive tone a lot of the times, though, and people seem to just not be able to take criticism, which usually shuts down reasonable discussion. To me all starla16 was saying was that they see Medvedeva's deficiencies in Scherbackova, except Scherbackova has more difficult jumps. It didn't need a comment on how everyone's negative about Medvedeva's skills, or takes comparisons to her as insults (And seeing that you replied saying that to Shayuki who was rejecting the comparison, defensiveness is exactly how it came across as).



Anyway, there's a lot wrong with Scherbackova's technique, the worst of which are her air position and the way she snaps into rotation, that make it hard for me to believe she can sustain her jumps without adjusting them.
 
Top 5 favourite Russian ladies of all-time:

1. Alina Zagitova - I went to the Olympics to watch her win Gold. She'll always be my No. 1.
2. Evgenia Medvedeva - In many ways still the Queen of Figure Skating. I like Alina more but I respect Zhenya so much. She's the hero we need and we deserve.
3. Polina Tsurskaya - The incredible heights in her jumps will not be beaten. She's in a slump but when she's at her best, there are few skaters (especially female skaters) that can match her majesty on ice.
4. Alena Kostornaia - It's called class and this girl has plenty of it. Other juniors have other qualities but there is no better skating skill, connection with music and performance ablity than Alena. She draws you into her programs.
5. Maria Sotskova - Another slumping one but the elegance, grace and beauty achieved by Masha is second to none.

Yours?
 
Top 5 favourite Russian ladies of all-time:

1. Alina Zagitova - I went to the Olympics to watch her win Gold. She'll always be my No. 1.
2. Evgenia Medvedeva - In many ways still the Queen of Figure Skating. I like Alina more but I respect Zhenya so much. She's the hero we need and we deserve.
3. Polina Tsurskaya - The incredible heights in her jumps will not be beaten. She's in a slump but when she's at her best, there are few skaters (especially female skaters) that can match her majesty on ice.
4. Alena Kostornaia - It's called class and this girl has plenty of it. Other juniors have other qualities but there is no better skating skill, connection with music and performance ablity than Alena. She draws you into her programs.
5. Maria Sotskova - Another slumping one but the elegance, grace and beauty achieved by Masha is second to none.

Yours?
Mine would be:

1. Elena Radionova(as my name suggests lol) - IMO she is just really pleasurable to watch, she can sell any program and hardly anyone has presence like her.

2. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva - Contrary to a lot of opinions I actually like her programs persentation wise a lot and of course, her jumps.

3. Alina Zagitova - A little sunshine. I really really liked Don Quixote and it didn't bother me at all that is was backloaded IMO better than her current programs

4. Serafima Sakhanovich - I just really like her, very lovely and a bit underrated.

5. Evgenia Medvedeva - I'm always on the edge of liking or not liking her lol, in general I like her presence and her free last season was just great.
 
Voronov was 4th at Nationals after all, and was not selected.
Nationals works a bit... on a different way than that.
The free of that event was like a bomb-fest for everyone, and Voronov was put into the 4th place, close to Aliev.
Then Aliev has won the silver at the europeans, but with, more or less, the same scores of Voronov over the GP... while Samarin :noshake:

Not that i don't getting why they have do that, but we need to understand that the federations make choices, even if sometimes they are more subtle than the huge PCS bump of Konstantinova at junior nationals.

If they want to push Medvedeva, she don't need to be more clean than Samodurova, but to do the "enough", then GOEs and PCS will goes accordingly.

Nationals are the events where even someone like Sotskova and Daleman can score over 220. Gabby was even pushed near 230 last year :rofl:
 
Top 5 favourite Russian ladies of all-time:

1. Alina Zagitova - I went to the Olympics to watch her win Gold. She'll always be my No. 1.
2. Evgenia Medvedeva - In many ways still the Queen of Figure Skating. I like Alina more but I respect Zhenya so much. She's the hero we need and we deserve.
3. Polina Tsurskaya - The incredible heights in her jumps will not be beaten. She's in a slump but when she's at her best, there are few skaters (especially female skaters) that can match her majesty on ice.
4. Alena Kostornaia - It's called class and this girl has plenty of it. Other juniors have other qualities but there is no better skating skill, connection with music and performance ablity than Alena. She draws you into her programs.
5. Maria Sotskova - Another slumping one but the elegance, grace and beauty achieved by Masha is second to none.

Yours?

I kind of made a list like this already in a different thread but chose not to include juniors. But now I think I will. :)

1. Evgenia Medvedeva: She‘ll probably always be my favourite. She gives me chills while watching, I love the way she always skates with her entire soul and I like her personality. She is... well, special and I‘ll support her through everything. Whether she decides to train in Russia or Canada or even Australia, whether she struggles or wins.

2. Yulia Lipnitskaya: Many people found her stoic or not very emotive. I never got this impression. Zhenya‘s and Yulia‘s artistry is very different, with Yulia‘s being calmer and not immediately noticeable. But when you look closer you can see that Yulia is immersed in the story she’s creating on the ice. She kept the emotions more to herself, it seemed to me but they were all there. You just had to look.

3. Alina Zagitova: I have to admit, I‘m a more recent fan of hers and I still don‘t connect to her skating as much as I do with Zhenya or Yulia. What I like about her is her personality, however. She seems as sweet as one can possibly be yet when she‘s on the ice she means business. I connect to her love for animals, her shyness... And I‘m glad to see her evolve because she‘s come a long, long way. She‘s one hell of a strong girl and I admire and love her for that.

4. Alena Kostornaya: I had the honour to see her live and she‘s even more impressive than on the screen. She is SO small but when she‘s skating you don‘t notice it at all, she fills the whole rink with her presence. Her programs don‘t give me chills yet but from the way I see it, they will. She is naturally graceful and musical, she only needs to find her own personal style of skating but that will come with time.

5. That‘s where it‘s getting difficult... 1-4 were totally clear but now I‘m struggling a bit to decide. Contenders were Anna Shcherbakova and Nastya Tarakanova. The former for her beautiful musicality and artistry, which for me is the most important thing in a skater, more than any quadruple or even quintuple could ever be. Nastya because her programs last year were the only ones that ever made me cry other than Zhenya‘s and because her FS still gives me chills this year. I like her presence even though many say she doesn‘t have expression on her face, I find her to be very expressive. Reminds me of someone on my list. ;) Or Polina Tsurskaya with her lovely personality and gigantic jumps... But in the end I probably have to go with Elena Radionova. She has many things a skater shouldn‘t have... bad posture, flailing arms and cringe inducing programs. But it never mattered to me once I saw her take the ice because she had so much obvious joy and love for the sport and she was truly radiating it. She was human and she was real, which was another thing I liked. She wasn‘t afraid to show what she loved (Titanic for example, ugh) but also when she disliked something. She didn’t hide her feelings. The “Jaaaaack!“ at the end of the titanic program was still pretty bad, though. :biggrin:
 
Anyway, there's a lot wrong with Scherbackova's technique, the worst of which are her air position and the way she snaps into rotation, that make it hard for me to believe she can sustain her jumps without adjusting them.
Actually, her air position's in my opinion the best part of her technique by far(Otherwise it's not even good) and a significant reason for why she can rotate so fast. It's much better than Trusova's for instance. The only one whose I've seen be better is Akatieva's.

By the way, she "snaps" less than Trusova. It's tough to rotate so fast without any "snap" / "bounce". Although Akatieva does it at the same speed with none.
I really don‘t know why people always seem to take it as an insult when youg skaters are compared to Medvedeva.
Do you honestly want me to reply to that? I think you and I both would be much happier if we just stick to "they're not similar skaters".
Golden Spin updates: Pogorilaya out, Sotskova in.
Hm, Pogorilaya's now spent a few months just withdrawing from competitions... I wonder if she's going to skip the entire season. At this point, I'm sort of confused about the reason behind her bothering to even sign up for the earlier competitions if she wasn't even close to being able to return. Alternatively, it's possible that she's suffered unforeseen setbacks which isn't a good sign...
 
Golden Spin updates: Pogorilaya out, Sotskova in.

Now I wonder if Pogo is even capable of coming back to national team... And before somebody says "Tuktamysheva did comeback!" I want to add that Tuk didn't skip practically two seasons and bringing back 3A made her extremely competitive.
 
^ Moreover, Liza doesn't struggle with such a serious back injury as Anna, at least I hope so. Last I heard, Anna would have to be under close medical supervision for the rest of her active career. I hope the reason for her withdrawal wasn't her back again. I cannot say I am a fan of hers, but I wish for a happy ending for her.
 
I am really curious to see Daria again after her WD from Inge Solar. I wonder how she's looking now... :think:
 
^ Moreover, Liza doesn't struggle with such a serious back injury as Anna, at least I hope so. Last I heard, Anna would have to be under close medical supervision for the rest of her active career. I hope the reason for her withdrawal wasn't her back again. I cannot say I am a fan of hers, but I wish for a happy ending for her.

Actually, Liza has struggled with back injury - that was the main reason people thought she was "done" going into the 2014-15 season.

Note: Not that I am equating Liza's and Anna's situations - they may be very different. I do think, however, that those of us who do love Anna and her skating should not give up hope that we may see her return. In the meantime, wishing her all the happiness & joy in her life & endeavours.:)
 
Excuse me, brauavitia2 youtube channel has been shut down (stupid copyright laws that nobody cares about probably)

Does anyone know where I can find videos with NO commentary for Stepanova/Bukin RD from GP Finland?

Also Spilevaya/Smirnov FD from Finlandia with no commentary?
 
Excuse me, brauavitia2 youtube channel has been shut down (stupid copyright laws that nobody cares about probably)

Does anyone know where I can find videos with NO commentary for Stepanova/Bukin RD from GP Finland?

Also Spilevaya/Smirnov FD from Finlandia with no commentary?

https://www.eurovisionsports.tv/isu/figure-skating/ All GP videos are there, full groups so you'll need to know the starting order. Hopefully won't be geo-blocked for you or anything like that.
 
Excuse me, brauavitia2 youtube channel has been shut down (stupid copyright laws that nobody cares about probably)

Does anyone know where I can find videos with NO commentary for Stepanova/Bukin RD from GP Finland?

Also Spilevaya/Smirnov FD from Finlandia with no commentary?

also https://ok.ru/live/group/55799120986131 has videos of all or nearly all GPs, usually commentary free, if the other link is geoblocked
 
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