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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

Agreed Ziotic. Out of the Big 3 Comps. of 2018, Alina won 1. I think some reflection and perhaps a new direction may be required. Keep in mind that this was a Japanese lady who didn't even make the World junior podium last season. Status quo is no longer an option.

2017-2018 season:
Lombardia Trophy: 1
Cup of China: 1
Trophee de France: 1
Grand Prix Final: 1
Russian Nationals: 1
European Championships: 1
Olympics: 1
Olympic team event: 2
Worlds: 5

That's a lot more than 1 to me. Out of the big 3 - worlds, Olympics, Grand Prix Final, she won 2. She also won the Russian Nationals, which is probably the fiercest competition around.
 
First congratulations to all the amazing russian Ladies who have competed at The J/GPF!

But I must say that I am uppset by Tarakanovas PCS! What world does the judges live in where Kanysheva (who is nice but i bit dull imo) gets 4pts higher PCS than Tarakanova? :confused:
I think the overall placement is fine and Kanysheva deserved the bronse medal after being clean in both programs but their PCS sholud be about the same in the free!
 
Agreed Ziotic. Out of the Big 3 Comps. of 2018, Alina won 1. I think some reflection and perhaps a new direction may be required. Keep in mind that this was a Japanese lady who didn't even make the World junior podium last season. Status quo is no longer an option.

Status quo was never an option. Alina has been working on improving despite injury and major changes, and she is working on new jumps, so I don't think she is planning on staying in the status quo for long. But I disagree that a new direction is a good idea (see Evgenia). Of course improvements must be made.
 
i feel so bad for anna

Yeah, it must be hard for her to be the only one of the team without a medal... I was so sure she‘d get the bronze. But after all, I‘m happy for little Alena Kanysheva, too. She will stay in juniors next year and she prepares herself well for going into it as the one to beat.
 
Status quo was never an option. Alina has been working on improving despite injury and major changes, and she is working on new jumps, so I don't think she is planning on staying in the status quo for long. But I disagree that a new direction is a good idea (see Evgenia). Of course improvements must be made.
The sad thing is it is necessary to learn new jumps rather than try to get her already existing one back to being as good as before her growth. That should be their main priority. It doesn't matter if she learns a 3a or quad if can't jump her other ones like she did last year for example. And no the direction zhenya is taking is not bad we all knew it would be a hard season for her because change is never easy and it always comes with up and downs and needing time to adjustl
 
2017-2018 season:
Lombardia Trophy: 1
Cup of China: 1
Trophee de France: 1
Grand Prix Final: 1
Russian Nationals: 1
European Championships: 1
Olympics: 1
Olympic team event: 2
Worlds: 5

That's a lot more than 1 to me. Out of the big 3 - worlds, Olympics, Grand Prix Final, she won 2. She also won the Russian Nationals, which is probably the fiercest competition around.

It was the greatest debut season ever. Thank you so much for the statistics on what Alina Zagitova did in her debut season. It was amazing and much more than someone said when in one of three major events. if you include Russian Nationals late last year Alina won 4 of 5 major events last year. she won the Grand Prix final Russian Nationals Europeans and of course the Olympics. To the Olympic champion the world championships one month after winning olympic gold don't mean that much to be honest.

That said I think Alina he's a little fragile this year with her growth spurt and with all the pressure on her from being Olympic champion. She has to grow into all of this and she's doing a very nice job so far.

Thanks again SFM.
 
Very, very nervous about RusNats.

Hopefully Liza will not get lowballed in jump GOE and PCS even more...

Fair scores and a fair chance for Sofia!

And no artificial pushing of fed favorites would be really lovely :)
 
I‘m so excited about RusNats!

I think Alina and Liza are a lock for the Worlds team and Euros. The other spot could go to Sofia or maybe Evgenia. At this point I feel like it will be Sofia, though. She is just so consistent and while she doesn‘t get the highest scores, she never makes mistakes. Evgenia has the greater scoring potential if clean but will we see her clean? I love her and she‘ll always be my favorite skater but looking at it realistically, this isn‘t her season. She needs time because reworking technique isn‘t easy and she‘s had problems with consistency due to this. Also she needs to find her mental strength again. That‘s why I think the European/World Team will be:

Alina, Liza and Sofia with Evgenia being the wildcard that will be put on the team as long as she performs decently. There‘s also Stasya Konstantinova and we all know how much the fed loves her. But if Zhenya bombs and Sofia and Stasya skate clean, it would be crazy not to send Sofia. I really like Stasya but with her, you can never be sure, what you‘ll get. With Sofia, you can. She is simply solid and can and should be trusted after everything she‘s done so far this season.

Masha and Polina unfortunately won‘t have much of a chance. They are both getting hammered with URs this season.

That‘s for the team chances. There‘s also the fact that all the members of 3A are allowed skate in seniors this season. Sasha will be more determined than ever for Nats now that she‘s only got silver at the JGPF. Quads can‘t really be predicted but I‘m sure we‘ll see Sasha fight with everything she‘s got and even more to land them. I have a feeling she‘ll get them, if only out of sheer willpower. ;) Anna is a wildcard as well. It will depend on what she shows. If she skates like she did at that one domestic competitions... well, watch out. I‘m happy Alena got the chance to be at senior Nats last year and get a medal there as this year it will be more difficult. We‘ve seen from JGPF that we should never count her out, though.

So, I think Alina will be on the top of the podium unless Sasha lands all her quads. Liza has a great chance as well for a medal. Anna too, if she doesn‘t bomb the SP. Alena needs solid outings and maybe mistakes from the others but it isn‘t absolutely impossible. She also should get high PCS now that she‘s competing in seniors. Sofia and Evgenia are others to watch out for but not sure how their chances are next to Alina, Liza, Sasha, Anna and Alena.

Juniors:

Well... Sasha will be hungry to defend her title. This will be a very interesting competition because it will determine who goes to Junior Worlds. I think Sasha is a lock, no matter what happens. She is their quad star after all and has that reputation. Alena won the gold at the JGPF, I think she deserves a spot as well but of course she should still have good skates. The last spot, I think, will go to Anna. I mean, yes, she bombed JGPF but that‘s one competition and we’ve seen how much she can score when she’s on. She really needs to skate cleanish in the FS, though and can‘t bomb the SP, though. Alena Kanysheva and Anastasia Tarakanova also have chances for the Worlds team if one of the 3A fails or Rusfed decides they don‘t want three Eteri girls. Alena is also JGPF bronze medalist which definitely helps. But still... if Anna doesn‘t bomb the SP and lands most of her jumps in the FS, she‘ll go. They can‘t leave her at home, given her scoring potential which is simply huge.
 
I love the look on Alina's face in the moment just before she takes off for her jumps. I was sitting right next to the ice during the practice session yesterday in Vancouver and really got to appreciate it up close. Anyone have photos or links to photos that capture this? It's like her version of Michael Jordan sticking out his tongue. :)
 
Oh, and Russian Senior Nationals are in a little over a week? That's a crazy quick turnaround for these girls, especially considering the travel and jetlag. Great for us, though! A holiday season filled with skating sounds find and dandy to me.

I'm a little confused by Russian Junior Nationals being a week or so later, with a lot of the same girls (e.g. Sasha/Alena/Anna) seemingly slated to compete in both events. Is that usually the case? It seems odd that skaters in the overlap age range wouldn't be forced to choose one or the other. It would be cool, though, to see how Kamila fares in competition versus her elders.
 
Status quo was never an option. Alina has been working on improving despite injury and major changes, and she is working on new jumps, so I don't think she is planning on staying in the status quo for long. But I disagree that a new direction is a good idea (see Evgenia). Of course improvements must be made.

I’ve never understood this narrative that skaters need to improve. Skaters are always looking to improve and it’s a given that anyone at a JGPF or GPF is taking all of this very seriously. Sasha worked really hard to improve her basics and added some depth to her presentation. I noticed it immediately at her first JGP event and she’s even shown noticeable improvement since then. Yet there is often this narrative that undermines her efforts snd even suggesting that her and her team aren’t aware and have no plans to to improve.

A new direction for Alina makes no sense to me either. She has a very effective style and regardless of anyone’s stylistic indifference her team gives the judges top level choreography with plenty of quality movements to score. Didn’t she just get a 146 here. I really liked the long glide out of her 2a into the choreographic movement. It’s a pretty cool use of a power pull which often goes unnoticed or at least isn’t such a highlight but she also uses it to show a nice use of her edge, weight and control over her speed. I never really noticed it before.
https://youtu.be/CvkME_Iph54?t=52s

Winning a silver at the GPF is a very good sign that you’ve been working very hard. Also likley you aren’t looking to resist improvements. Lol
 
I’ve never understood this narrative that skaters need to improve. Skaters are always looking to improve and it’s a given that anyone at a JGPF or GPF is taking all of this very seriously. Sasha worked really hard to improve her basics and added some depth to her presentation. I noticed it immediately at her first JGP event and she’s even shown noticeable improvement since then. Yet there is this often this narrative that undermines her efforts snd even suggesting that her and her team aren’t aware and have no plans to to improve.

A new direction for Alina makes no sense to me either. She has a very effective style and regardless of anyone’s stylistic indifference her team gives the judges top level choreography with plenty of quality movements to score. Didn’t she just get a 146 here. I really liked the long glide out of her 2a into the choreographic movement. It’s a pretty cool use of a power pull which often goes unnoticed or at least isn’t such a highlight but she also uses it to show a nice use of her edge, weight and control over her speed. I never really noticed it before.
https://youtu.be/CvkME_Iph54?t=52s

Winning a silver at the GPF is a very good sign that you’ve been working very hard. Also likley you aren’t looking to resist improvements. Lol

Wholeheartedly agree. Do random fans watching at home really think these professional athletes with their professional coaches and choreographers, all of whom have a track record of success and results, and who spend most of their waking hours day in day out practicing/strategizing/analyzing/thinking about figure skating : 1) are unaware of every single one of their weaknesses, 2) aren’t trying to fix them, and 3)aren’t trying to also improve their strengths? Do these fans think everyone involved in this extremely energy/time/financially consuming sport are going through the motions of training 8 hours a day just for sh*ts and giggles? If fans can’t see an obvious improvement, it does not mean there haven’t been small victories, or that no one is trying. Anyone who’s skated can tell you that skating is the last sport where you can relax and coast through training. The second you stop trying hard your form will plummet.
 
They can‘t leave her at home, given her scoring potential which is simply huge.
Of course they can. Sasha and Alena will be enough to keep quotas at JrWorlds.You seem to forget about Gubanova who desperatly needs SB for moving to seniors next season and that RusFed is indebted to her by pushing Konstantinova last season. So trying to keep one of Eteri skaters out of podium while pushing Gubanova is expected.
On other hand neither of Eteri 3A even needs to qualify for JrWorlds to ensure their career later. They have their SB score so they easily can go to seniors next season just like Panenkova did this year without even competing anywhere from now on.
 
Of course they can. Sasha and Alena will be enough to keep quotas at JrWorlds.You seem to forget about Gubanova who desperatly needs SB for moving to seniors next season and that RusFed is indebted to her by pushing Konstantinova last season. So trying to keep one of Eteri skaters out of podium while pushing Gubanova is expected.
On other hand neither of Eteri 3A even needs to qualify for JrWorlds to ensure their career later. They have their SB score so they easily can go to seniors next season just like Panenkova did this year without even competing anywhere from now on.

And not just Gubanova, but Tarakanova and Kanysheva have shown themselves to be very worthy of junior world spots this season. It will really come down to who skates clean, and then of those who the Fed decides to push.
 
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