2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[malya]

It doesn't mean that. PCS are not equal with artistic impression, though good artistic impression can boost your scores. You can still score high even if you are not an 'artist' on ice, you just need to fulfill other requirements defined by PCS.

In an ideal world, you are right. But it does not look like judges really divide the categories or look for keypoints, they just look at the whole package and give roughly the same score for everything.

Take 'artist' Anna VS 'technical' Sasha: I would expect way higher SS by Sasha and Int by Anna. Now, what do we get?

In the end it will come down to reputation and fed support anyways. But I'm curious about the PCS devellopment of 3A this and next season.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Why is it that there are skaters I’ve hardly ever heard of doing 3z-3lo in Russia? SMH

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[Mathman]

Take 'artist' Anna VS 'technical' Sasha: I would expect way higher SS by Sasha and Int by Anna. Now, what do we get?

Statistically, here's how to get the other four component scores from SS. TR = SS minus 0.5. The other three are equal to SS or possibly a tick higher. Works almost every time. :yes:

 

[moriel]

Statistically, here's how to get the other four component scores from SS. TR = SS minus 0.5. The other three are equal to SS or possibly a tick higher. Works almost every time. :yes:

Or, if you are lazy, just take SS and for each other category add a random number with normal distribution, mean 0 and std 0.25

Honestly, i tried to convince people a few times that there is something wrong with a system where are no skaters with, lets say, great skating skills and just good performance, or skaters with average skating skills and great performance and interpretation, but =(

 

[starlight97]

Also, artistically Trusova's improved the most in comparison to last year. She is captivating as a performer. She commands your attention with her intensity. She is different from other girls. But I don't think it a bad.

See that's just interesting differences in personal perception. To some like you her presentation is "captivating with it's intensity" and sets her apart.
To others like me it's just a rushing through mandatory choreography (designed at the highest level of difficulty of course, nothing less from Eteri) with a musical backdrop that you could interchange with any other, to get from one jump to the next.
It's hard to sit through and not exciting at all after the first 2 big "tricks" of brilliant athleticism.

Ignoring the lyrics, her best programme to me was the SP from last season because you could not just lie any track under that choreo.

Who cares though? As long as she hangs on to the quads & manages to land them all (which she doesn't do that often understandably so?) she'll stay at the top without further improving any other aspects.

 

[Arbitrary]

I wonder what would be Sasha's PCS if she managed to skate clearly the whole her last FP?
Understandably TES could be +10 or more (add 4T, no negative GOE, no penalty).
But what about PCS? Would the Board further decrease her PCS to compensate?

It's hard to sit through and not exciting at all after the first 2 big "tricks" of brilliant athleticism.

There were talks from one of Quad Girls to reach the level where one of quads may be put into 110% zone.
Currently Sasha prefers to have 3-3 combos there. Adding 4-3 combo would be nice but difficult and having a plain quad gives her nothing.

 

[starlight97]

Hope we can keep watching this trio for many years to come, developing and growing.
I'd just love to see one Russian girl hang in there past 18yo and not be thrown in the garbage or having to stop due to mental or physical injuries in their late teens.

Maybe Evgenia can be the first one and others can follow her example

Edit
Just to think the performance a 22yo Kostornaya could give looking at where she is now. Yuna Kim comes to mind.
Or the killer a 22yo Shasha could be when her presentation has grown up to her tech skills.
I just hope they can make it that far..

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Hope we can keep watching this trio for many years to come, developing and growing.
I'd just love to see one Russian girl hang in there past 18yo and not be thrown in the garbage or having to stop due to mental or physical injuries in their late teens.

Maybe Evgenia can be the first one and others can follow her example

Sima is hanging on!! There is just not enough room for them all.

 

[Seruleane]

Well, Alena Leonova is 28 y/o and still competing. She looks quite good actually. I understand what you mean though. She's not a real contender for making the Russian team for Euros/Worlds because the younger girls are better and more favored by the Fed. She would be a contender in almost any other country (other than Japan). And it's not like Russia has thrown her out. I believe she still get Grand Prix events.

 

[starlight97]

Sima is hanging on!! There is just not enough room for them all.

Are you saying Serafima? She was my fave of the "first troop" of juniors, with Evgenia, Serafima, Sasha Proklova..and then all but Evgenia "disappeared" - don't really disappear from the sport but they disappear from the mayor international competitions and are just replaced by the newer juniors is what I'm saying.

 

[starlight97]

Well, Alena Leonova is 28 y/o and still competing. She looks quite good actually. I understand what you mean though. She's not a real contender for making the Russian team for Euros/Worlds because the younger girls are better and more favored by the Fed. She would be a contender in almost any other country (other than Japan). And it's not like Russia has thrown her out. I believe she still get Grand Prix events.

Yes, that's what I mean.

 

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She's not a real contender for making the Russian team for Euros/Worlds because the younger girls are better and more favored by the Fed.

I would rephrased it: younger girls are favored by the Fed because they are better. At the same time, Alena has a terrific season. And too bad that she is out of GP circle next year.

 

[Alex65]

I have to say this. The rivalry between Anna and Sasha in this competition was a breath of fresh air in the rotten swamp of the modern FS. It was a moment of pure sport. Personal and national preferences of judges, the confrontation of clubs and backstage intrigues, past achievements and reputation, toxic crowds of fans, etc. ... None of this intervened in their struggle. Sasha was ready to win, but fell, Anna was clean and won. And although Sasha is my favorite, I was sad for only a few seconds and immediately happy for both of them. It was a worthy victory and an honest defeat. Such a rarity on ice.

 

[elysium]

Hope we can keep watching this trio for many years to come, developing and growing.
I'd just love to see one Russian girl hang in there past 18yo and not be thrown in the garbage or having to stop due to mental or physical injuries in their late teens.

Maybe Evgenia can be the first one and others can follow her example

Liza is 22 now and came back strong this season.

 

[elysium]

I have to say this. The rivalry between Anna and Sasha in this competition was a breath of fresh air in the rotten swamp of the modern FS. It was a moment of pure sport. Personal and national preferences of judges, the confrontation of clubs and backstage intrigues, past achievements and reputation, toxic crowds of fans, etc. ... None of this intervened in their struggle. Sasha was ready to win, but fell, Anna was clean and won. And although Sasha is my favorite, I was sad for only a few seconds and immediately happy for both of them. It was a worthy victory and an honest defeat. Such a rarity on ice.

Agree on this. The two girls were virtually tied, and there was no endless discussions afterwards about who wuz robbed.

 

[atsumiri]

I have to say this. The rivalry between Anna and Sasha in this competition was a breath of fresh air in the rotten swamp of the modern FS. It was a moment of pure sport. Personal and national preferences of judges, the confrontation of clubs and backstage intrigues, past achievements and reputation, toxic crowds of fans, etc. ... None of this intervened in their struggle. Sasha was ready to win, but fell, Anna was clean and won. And although Sasha is my favorite, I was sad for only a few seconds and immediately happy for both of them. It was a worthy victory and an honest defeat. Such a rarity on ice.

++ I agree with every word!

 

[starlight97]

Liza is 22 now and came back strong this season.

Correct, I didn't think of her.
It's quite unique in Russia those steep rises and then just as steep falls we see from her, up and down like a rollercoaster. Do you think her getting enough support to rise up again from the bottom when she hits it is due to her coaching situation? Is Mishin less about quantity of students and more devoted to her ?

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Why is it that there are skaters I’ve hardly ever heard of doing 3z-3lo in Russia? SMH

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrzoonAheyn/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1a66lw70pe0pd

Whoa :eeking:

I wonder what the current list is now...

4Lz-3Lo:
Alexandra Trusova* (this girl has insane abilities :shocked

3Lz-3Lo:
Alina Zagitova
Sofia Samodelkina
Sofia Akatieva
Alexandra Trusova
Alena Kostornaya
Anna Shcherbakova
Alena Kanysheva
Ksenia Sinitsyna
Viktoria Vasilieva
Elizaveta Nugumanova
Natalia Ogoreltseva
Valeria Emelyanova*
Viktoria Safonova
Anastasia Gubanova
Angelina Chaplygina
Anastasia Tarakanova*

3F-3Lo:
Alina Zagitova
Alexandra Trusova
Anna Shcherbakova
Viktoria Vasilieva
Elizaveta Nugumanova

3Lo-3Lo:
Elizaveta Nugumanova
Natalia Ogoreltseva
Evgenia Medvedeva*

3S-3Lo:
Evgenia Medvedeva
Valeria Mikhailova*
Elizaveta Nugumanova*

2A-3Lo:
Evgenia Medvedeva*
Elizaveta Nugumanova*

* = only in practice so far

and I probably missed some :eeking:

 

[moriel]

Well, Alena Leonova is 28 y/o and still competing. She looks quite good actually. I understand what you mean though. She's not a real contender for making the Russian team for Euros/Worlds because the younger girls are better and more favored by the Fed. She would be a contender in almost any other country (other than Japan). And it's not like Russia has thrown her out. I believe she still get Grand Prix events.

This year she had trouble to get GP, and ended up getting just one.
Next year it may be even harder =(

 

[moriel]

Whoa :eeking:

I wonder what the current list is now...

3Lz-3Lo:
Alina Zagitova
Sofia Samodelkina
Sofia Akatieva
Alexandra Trusova
Alena Kostornaya
Anna Shcherbakova
Alena Kanysheva
Ksenia Sinitsyna
Viktoria Vasilieva
Elizaveta Nugumanova
Natalia Ogoreltseva
Valeria Emelyanova*
Viktoria Safonova
Anastasia Gubanova

3F-3Lo:
Alina Zagitova
Alexandra Trusova
Anna Shcherbakova
Viktoria Vasilieva
Elizaveta Nugumanova

3Lo-3Lo:
Elizaveta Nugumanova
Natalia Ogoreltseva
Evgenia Medvedeva*

3S-3Lo:
Evgenia Medvedeva
Elizaveta Nugumanova*

2A-3Lo:
Evgenia Medvedeva*
Elizaveta Nugumanova*

* = only in practice so far

and I probably missed some :eeking:

You forgot

4Lz-3Lo
Alexandra Trusova*