2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[moriel]

I just read the rules and even though it doesn't state that the winner jwc will get 2 spots, it say that they will be included in the selection process(as well as the winner of jgpf) and if the expressed wanting to turn senior will most likely be able to get at least one, if not two spots

But if 3A turn senior, rusfed will do whatever it takes for them to have 2 spots, so i think we can be pretty sure about that.

 

[LenaRadiFan]

But if 3A turn senior, rusfed will do whatever it takes for them to have 2 spots, so i think we can be pretty sure about that.

I said, highly likely, I also explained it further that in the most common even of them sweeping the podium at jwc they will(most likely) get two spots. I explained it in my spots distribution

 

[zenskate]

Maturity and thoughtfulness are absolutely not the opposites of introverted and low self esteem.
Alina can be, and is, both things at the same time.
I phrased is wrong maybe. To me Alina is a strong competitor but she doesn't seem to have the selfconfidence Evgenia has in the sense of saying "I'm the best."
Not even after winning the freaking Olympics did Alina jump to claim some much deserved glory for herself, she just quietly sat through condolences to Evgenia.
But maybe that has to do with being told your entire life you're not good enough. Idk just an impression she gives off and I know many viewers get the same feeling.

I'm curious why you seem to feel that Alina is psychologically weak still (low self-esteem). You say that maturity does not mean high self-esteem, but humility doesn't mean low self-esteem either.

Evgenia's "I'm the best" personality doesn't just arise from confidence, but because she enjoys being at the center of attention. That is who she is. That is not who Alina is.

Alina has not been beaten down her whole life. But she has been told that many respected members of Russian figure skating thought Evgenia should win, and these people won't stop repeating that months later. These comments are hurtful and they can't be blocked on social media. A lot of posters on here joke about TAT, but to a Russian figure skater, TAT is not a joke.

 

[Jontor]

I'm sorry I forgot Maria Sotskova bc of the World standings if we say she'd get one spot then only in scenario 2 with Serafima or both of them

There is a simpler scenario. Keep as many as possible as juniors. That would be Tarusina, Gubanova AND Shcherbakova, Trusova. Then all girls left would all have 2 spots including Pogo or Rad if one of them comes back (or 1 spot each íf both returns). This is simple but highly unlikely, denying the gold and silver medalists at RUsNat no GP spots. But if the two quad girls mess up at Junior Nats and/or Junior Worlds, this scenario might be the simple solution.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

I don't think they'll do that. If they keep these 4 in juniors, then only 4 other girls can get JGPs (with one getting just one assignment) That would likely be Kanysheva, Valieva, Sinitsyna/Vasilieva, and Usacheva. Not even Sinitsyna or Kromykh or Tarakanova. I think they will try to get as many to seniors as possible, both to have room in the junior ranks and to get as many senior medals as possible.

I think they will likely push Tarusina up to seniors. Gubanova likely won't get JGP spots either, especially as she didn't get them this season and won't even be at junior nationals this season.

I think the end goal is to have these girls on the JGP: Valieva, Usacheva, Kanysheva, Sinitsyna, Tarakanova, possibly Kromykh, Vasilieva, and have the 8th girl (that gets one spot) be Kostyuk or Safonova.

 

[LenaRadiFan]

There is a simpler scenario. Keep as many as possible as juniors. That would be Tarusina, Gubanova AND Shcherbakova, Trusova. Then all girls left would all have 2 spots including Pogo or Rad if one of them comes back (or 1 spot each íf both returns). This is simple but highly unlikely, denying the gold and silver medalists at RUsNat no GP spots. But if the two quad girls mess up at Junior Nats and/or Junior Worlds, this scenario might be the simple solution.

This is, ofc also a scenario but I think this scenario will only happen if Shcherbakova AND Trusova will miss the podium at both jnats and jwc

 

[Giltedge]

Which skaters are likely to provide the podium threat to Russian ladies at European?

I can think only of Loena, who is doing nicely these days.

That Swiss/American, sorry cannot remember her name, no disrespect meant, hardly impressed me. Nor that French skater, sorry, the memory thing again. Too many dry pellets recently.

Surely not Carolina with her late resumption this year, don't even know if it has commenced.

Is Kasha Kuracova eligible yet?

Who else? I've gone blank.

 

[LenaRadiFan]

Which skaters are likely to provide the podium threat to Russian ladies at European?

I can think only of Loena, who is doing nicely these days.

That Swiss/American, sorry cannot remember her name, no disrespect meant, hardly impressed me. Nor that French skater, sorry, the memory thing again. Too many dry pellets recently.

Surely not Carolina with her late resumption this year, don't even know if it has commenced.

Is Kasha Kuracova eligible yet?

Who else? I've gone blank.

I'd say Loena and ALEXIA(the swiss american who didn't impress you) are about the same right now. It really depends how both of the perform

 

[moriel]

There is a simpler scenario. Keep as many as possible as juniors. That would be Tarusina, Gubanova AND Shcherbakova, Trusova. Then all girls left would all have 2 spots including Pogo or Rad if one of them comes back (or 1 spot each íf both returns). This is simple but highly unlikely, denying the gold and silver medalists at RUsNat no GP spots. But if the two quad girls mess up at Junior Nats and/or Junior Worlds, this scenario might be the simple solution.

I don't see them keeping top girls in juniors for Pogo and Rad.
Right now, Tarusina, Gubanova and Shcherbakova, not even speaking about Trusova, will likely score higher than Pogo and Rad. WHy should rusfed keep girls who are top 10, or even world gold material, and are performing well here and now just because of Pogo and Rad?

 

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However, some people are categorized as h*ters on this forum because they do way more than pointing out the fact that she is struggling. They are questionning her choices and decisions, which is extremely patronising and condescending in my opinion. I would not call that "h*te", but I would not say they are just "telling the truth" either (it's not directed at you btw, just a general statement).

I don't see it as black and white. Once again, I supported her decision when she made it. But now as her fan and by no way hater, I am free to ask the rhetorical question: what does she have to do if her cooperation with Borser does not work out like it did not work with Gabby and Lizbet? Will she continue next season or she might be willing to reconsider? And this is a legitimate question as not a random hater by an honorary head of Rusfed Mr. Piseev said that Zhenya would be better off back home.

 

[moriel]

I don't think they'll do that. If they keep these 4 in juniors, then only 4 other girls can get JGPs (with one getting just one assignment) That would likely be Kanysheva, Valieva, Sinitsyna/Vasilieva, and Usacheva. Not even Sinitsyna or Kromykh or Tarakanova. I think they will try to get as many to seniors as possible, both to have room in the junior ranks and to get as many senior medals as possible.

I think they will likely push Tarusina up to seniors. Gubanova likely won't get JGP spots either, especially as she didn't get them this season and won't even be at junior nationals this season.

I think the end goal is to have these girls on the JGP: Valieva, Usacheva, Kanysheva, Sinitsyna, Tarakanova, possibly Kromykh, Vasilieva, and have the 8th girl (that gets one spot) be Kostyuk or Safonova.

I suppose that *maybe* they can still keep shcherbakova in juniors, since she has less junior experience than other 3As, but is fully capable of winning quite a few medals in case the next generation flops.

 

[theharleyquinn]

Maturity and thoughtfulness are absolutely not the opposites of introverted and low self esteem.
Alina can be, and is, both things at the same time.
I phrased is wrong maybe. To me Alina is a strong competitor but she doesn't seem to have the selfconfidence Evgenia has in the sense of saying "I'm the best."
Not even after winning the freaking Olympics did Alina jump to claim some much deserved glory for herself, she just quietly sat through condolences to Evgenia.
But maybe that has to do with being told your entire life you're not good enough. Idk just an impression she gives off and I know many viewers get the same feeling.

This description makes more sense than how you described her previously, although I'm not sure if I see her being insecure necessarily. I do think she was in a difficult position at the Olympics. The majority of people wanted Zhenya to win and Sochi had also primed the public to assume there was a "fix" in on who won. She was happy, but she was quiet about it. Maybe out of politeness or humility or shyness or all of those things. She generally just seems more introverted by nature compared to the juniors and Zhenya, so even if she was confident, she probably wouldn't express it in the same way. There's a bit of middle child syndrome there too. It's clear from the documentary that she had a hard time with training before and really doesn't like underperforming, so moments of doubt would be expected, but I think she also may just have a different relationship to skating than someone like Zhenya as well. Alina's retort to Ashley Wagner's comments about her Don Quixote program saying that she'd like to see Ashley try to do the program herself shows that does have confidence about her abilities and doesn't appreciate unfounded criticism.

Also, when Zhenya was at her peak, it was much easier for her to believe and act like she was the best because she didn't have much direct competition for two/three years. Alina only had that for about half to three-quarters of a season at best. Their trajectories were very different.

 

[Giltedge]

I'd say Loena and ALEXIA(the swiss american who didn't impress you) are about the same right now. It really depends how both of the perform

That's the name, Alexia, thank you. First time round, I was interested, less so the next outing.

By personal preference, I wouldn't want any to displace those superb top-flight Russian ladies, but I'd like to see some stiffer competition amongst the non-Russia countries, for sustaining interest and ensuring the long-term health of the sport.

 

[LenaRadiFan]

I don't see them keeping top girls in juniors for Pogo and Rad.
Right now, Tarusina, Gubanova and Shcherbakova, not even speaking about Trusova, will likely score higher than Pogo and Rad. WHy should rusfed keep girls who are top 10, or even world gold material, and are performing well here and now just because of Pogo and Rad?

Pogo and Radi both have a bigger tracking score than some people think [emoji23] Pogo has a world bronze, three european medals, a grand prix final medal and a jwc bronze medal. Her highest total score os 216 and we wouldn't know how she skated this season. Radi has a world bronze, two european silvers, two grand prix final medals, and was never(except last season once) off the podium at the grand prix and she is the only ever woman to win back to back jwc golds. Her highest total is 211 and again, she was injured this season so we wouldn't know how she performed were she been healthy.

Except Trusova and Shcherbakova, I'd say they'd be about on the same level as Tarusina and Gubanova. Also I don't have a doubt 3a will move up to seniors with two gp spots unless the are off the podium at jnats and jwc(with is very highly unlikely)

 

[Giltedge]

Honestly :scratch3: some of those names being bruited about for next season's GP... :noshake:


RusFed selection conference venue...



RusFed reps ... en route to selection conference...



Selection meeting declared officially open...

 

[ice coverage]

Interesting...I was told that in a different thread not long ago and even offered a link. I don’t have time to search for it now and I’ll take you on your word. My memory sometimes is a bit

AFAIK:

In the not too distant past, the ISU used to state each year that junior world champions were guaranteed one GP assignment. (One, not two.)

BUT more recently: junior world champions Alexandrovskaya/Windsor did not get any GP assignment.
And the ISU stopped saying that junior world champions were guaranteed one assignment.

For previous GS discussions on this topic, I did post ISU links from several consecutive years that showed what it said about one guaranteed assignment.
But I don't have the links at my fingertips.​

 

[moriel]

Pogo and Radi both have a bigger tracking score than some people think [emoji23] Pogo has a world bronze, three european medals, a grand prix final medal and a jwc bronze medal. Her highest total score os 216 and we wouldn't know how she skated this season. Radi has a world bronze, two european silvers, two grand prix final medals, and was never(except last season once) off the podium at the grand prix and she is the only ever woman to win back to back jwc golds. Her highest total is 211 and again, she was injured this season so we wouldn't know how she performed were she been healthy.

Except Trusova and Shcherbakova, I'd say they'd be about on the same level as Tarusina and Gubanova. Also I don't have a doubt 3a will move up to seniors with two gp spots unless the are off the podium at jnats and jwc(with is very highly unlikely)

Pogo and Rad are not performing right here, right now.
Rusfed is not really known for propping skaters internationally if they underperform for a season or two. They will not give anything to skaters just because they won a worlds bronze a couplde of years ago. Simply because they have skaters who can win world bronze now.

 

[j00mla]

I think she ran her own school.
http://www.peoples.ru/sport/fskating/chaykovskaya/
...

This is old article. That school, "Koniok Chaikovskoy" was private, it was founded in the 1990s (the exact year is unknown), after termination of state funding of her former school, which existed in the "Dynamo" system (network of sports institutions of the Russian police). Many years after, in 2014, "Koniok Chaikovskoy" was integrated into Sambo-70 (state institution).
Nota bene: "Khustalny" was integrated into Sambo-70 in 2013, but it always was state institution.

 

[dobrevaria]

Pogo and Radi both have a bigger tracking score than some people think [emoji23] Pogo has a world bronze, three european medals, a grand prix final medal and a jwc bronze medal. Her highest total score os 216 and we wouldn't know how she skated this season. Radi has a world bronze, two european silvers, two grand prix final medals, and was never(except last season once) off the podium at the grand prix and she is the only ever woman to win back to back jwc golds. Her highest total is 211 and again, she was injured this season so we wouldn't know how she performed were she been healthy.

Except Trusova and Shcherbakova, I'd say they'd be about on the same level as Tarusina and Gubanova. Also I don't have a doubt 3a will move up to seniors with two gp spots unless the are off the podium at jnats and jwc(with is very highly unlikely)

They have good tracking scores, but their recent competitions were not really good. Radionova has been underperforming since the 2016/2017 season, and Pogorilaya is a big risk since she is either incredible or a disaster (and we don't know her actual level yet). Whereas Tarusina is one of the most consistent ladies out there...Her scoring potential is low, but if she keeps being that consistent, then her PCS will rise a bit. I hope these two will get 2 GPs tho, because I like them very much.

 

[LenaRadiFan]

Pogo and Rad are not performing right here, right now.
Rusfed is not really known for propping skaters internationally if they underperform for a season or two. They will not give anything to skaters just because they won a worlds bronze a couplde of years ago. Simply because they have skaters who can win world bronze now.

But then why are people saying that Evgenia deserves two spots because of her achievements and Rusfed would prop her up bc of them [emoji6]