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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

1) Not sure what you're arguing here. I didn't say "she has more difficult jumping therefore she should get more PCS". Everyone here was overscored on PCS, actually.
2) Choreography and Interpretation. And Performance, to an extent. If someone has a more generic concept, guess where they should be dinged?

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2) Um, what does that have to do with anything? Skaters are not judged on how interesting their concept is.. Some people may prefer Sasha's concept, but that doesn't mean she interprets and performs it better than Alena performs hers.

My point is, someone with a generic concept can still interpret and perform better than someone with an interesting concept. You can literally give anyone an interesting concept.
 
Smart move from Sasha ditching her 4lz in her FS. Trying to cram in too many quads in program proved not to be worth it anymore.... Wonder what her layout will be in Jworlds.

Yeah, her 4T is much more consistent than her 4Lz. If she repeats this layout at Junior Worlds, there‘s a really good chance she‘ll snatch another title.
 
More interesting concept? Yes, probably. Romeo and Juliet is as classic as classic can be. More interesting interpretation? No, I don‘t think so. Sasha interprets her SP very well but her FS is severely lacking in this aspect. It‘s probably because she‘s doing those difficult jumps but there‘s not much performance. Especially compared to her SP. I don‘t know in which part of PCS the concept is supposed to factor in, though? And is it really something to judge? Like, should Zagitova automatically get lower PCS because she‘s doing Carmen and POTO? I know many would agree but that‘s really not how PCS scoring works. :laugh:

Yeah... Trusova starts her FS on strong note but the rest feels bit gimmicky. Like they didnt know what to do with the music and thought that innovative music is enough, so let her just skate around with few awesome tricks....
 
Uuuuu those medals looks pretty!

Edit: They are giving a medal to the coach of the winner. Muahahah Eteri getting 2 medals, her students should be jealous :laugh2:
 
My point is, someone with a generic concept can still interpret and perform better than someone with an interesting concept. You can literally give anyone an interesting concept.

And yet, they didn't. Your argument can be reduced to "why have any choreography at all?".

Actual choreography and interpretation of the program matters, as does executing it well. It's not like Trusova was awful at her program.

I don‘t know in which part of PCS the concept is supposed to factor in, though? And is it really something to judge?

Still not sure if the meaning of "interpretation" and "choreography" is clear.
 
And yet, they didn't. Your argument can be reduced to "why have any choreography at all?".

Actual choreography and interpretation of the program matters, as does executing it well. It's not like Trusova was awful at her program.



Still not sure if the meaning of "interpretation" and "choreography" is clear.

I think that you are the one who is confusing interpretation with simply having an interesting concept. Yuna Kim performed to some very generic and classical pieces, but her interpretation of those generic concepts is why she is hailed as an all time best. Skaters are definitely NOT dinged for having generic concepts.

By the way, I never said that Sasha was awful.
 
Ho ho ho. You have to laugh. Always the same old same old from the people who love to imagine that Sasha is all technique and no artistry. That the evidence doesn't support the hypothesis doesn't make any difference.
 
I think that you are the one who is confusing interpretation with simply having an interesting idea.
No, not really. Execution matters, as I said, as does choreography.

Yuna Kim performed to some very generic and classical pieces, but her interpretation of those generic pieces is why she is hailed as an all time best.

Interpretation of those generic classical pieces? Whatever do you mean? You mean... the choreography and concepts to those generic pieces were... interesting?

Skaters are definitely NOT dinged for having generic concepts.

Yes, unfortunately. Otherwise more here would be seeing that Kosto's program isn't that great.

By the way, I never said that Sasha was awful.
I didn't say you did, either.
 
And yet, they didn't. Your argument can be reduced to "why have any choreography at all?".

Actual choreography and interpretation of the program matters, as does executing it well. It's not like Trusova was awful at her program.



Still not sure if the meaning of "interpretation" and "choreography" is clear.

Yes, I know that matters. But your argument could be reduced to interesting concept = choreography and interpretation which isn‘t correct either so there‘s that. To my mind, Sasha has a more interesting concept in her FS than Alena. But the choreography falls flat after the beginning when the difficult jumps start as does her interpretation. Whereas Alena might not have the most unique concept but she has overall a more mature and coherent program, which she interprets very well. To me, the concept is just one part of choreography and doesn‘t even factor in interpretation. Why would it? You can interpret the most interesting program badly but you can also make a boring/not unique program feel lively.

I didn’t say Sasha was terrible at interpreting either. In the SP it’s clear that she isn’t. But her FS is just too focused on the jumps and the choreography and the interpretation aren‘t as pronounced as in Anna‘s or Alena‘s skate for example. Also, all three come from Eteri‘s camp so they have an even amount of transitions. Alena clearly has the best skating skills of the bunch.

So, yes, I don‘t see how Sasha had such high PCS if not for the argument “PCS follows high TES“. And interesting concept is one part of choreography that I‘ll gladly give her credit for but her interpretation and overall choreography is just worse than both Anna and Alena.
 
1) Trusova does have more difficult jumping, that's why her technical score was 90+. It doesn't explain her PCS.

2) Um, what does that have to do with anything? Skaters are not judged on how interesting their concept is. Some people may prefer Sasha's concept, but that doesn't mean she interprets and performs it better than Alena performs hers.

I think Trusova has some pretty difficult transitions. A few moves need work, and her spins could be better, but her skating skills (a more masculine style to be sure) are better than people think or give her credit for.
 
Ho ho ho. You have to laugh. Always the same old same old from the people who love to imagine that Sasha is all technique and no artistry. That the evidence doesn't support the hypothesis doesn't make any difference.

Nobody is really saying that Sasha has no artistry. They're mostly saying that her artistry, when compared to some other skaters, isn't the best and sometimes that's not reflected in the scoring.

By the way, are you suggesting that judges' scores are evidence? Because by that logic, Evgenia Medvedeva didn't have a flutz for the entire 2015-2016, 2016-2017 and 2017-2018 seasons. By that logic, Adelina Sotnikova deserved to beat Yuna Kim in Sochi. So, forgive me, but it kinda makes me laugh when people use the the judging as edvidence of anything.
 
I think Trusova has some pretty difficult transitions. A few moves need work, and her spins could be better, but her skating skills (a more masculine style to be sure) are better than people think or give her credit for.

Eh, it will be her story unfortunately. People just term skaters with jumping prowess as "just jumpers" and move on. Well, we can move on, too. Trusova got an interesting package, that paints her as a killing machine. It's juniorish, and she's still a junior, but at the end of the day, it's still got more thought put into it than some other stuff we've seen this season.
 
Yes, I know that matters. But your argument could be reduced to interesting concept = choreography and interpretation which isn‘t correct either so there‘s that. To my mind, Sasha has a more interesting concept in her FS than Alena. But the choreography falls flat after the beginning when the difficult jumps start as does her interpretation. Whereas Alena might not have the most unique concept but she has overall a more mature and coherent program, which she interprets very well. To me, the concept is just one part of choreography and doesn‘t even factor in interpretation. Why would it? You can interpret the most interesting program badly but you can also make a boring/not unique program feel lively.

I didn’t say Sasha was terrible at interpreting either. In the SP it’s clear that she isn’t. But her FS is just too focused on the jumps and the choreography and the interpretation aren‘t as pronounced as in Anna‘s or Alena‘s skate for example. Also, all three come from Eteri‘s camp so they have an even amount of transitions. Alena clearly has the best skating skills of the bunch.

So, yes, I don‘t see how Sasha had such high PCS if not for the argument “PCS follows high TES“. And interesting concept is one part of choreography that I‘ll gladly give her credit for but her interpretation and overall choreography is just worse than both Anna and Alena.

I think you just don't like fantastic movies. :)
 
I dont think the 3 pts difference between Alena and Alexandra reflected the difference in artistry between them. I never felt Trusova was truly engaged in the music ever throughout the program whereas Alena even if the choreography is kinda bland compared to her sp still kept up the interpretation to her best.
 
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