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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

Georgya said:
3.Why is so wrong for figure skaters to have an olympic cycle career and then chose something else? Studies? Shows? etc.. Just because US have collegiate gymnastics, doesn't mean the rest of the world is out of options.
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Most of what's being talked about here isn't someone like Adelina who capitalized on her OGM and took up skating shows and non-skating opportunities but skaters like Yulia that are at the top of figure skating world then not-so much before they retire.
 
moriel said:
Some quotes from a recent interview with Polina Shelepen, Eteri's student. You may want to check it out, it has some insights on Eteri's "bully" personality.

https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?79021-Polina-Shelepen-Interview
"As far as I remember Eteri Georgievna - no matter how tired she was, what problems she had and how she felt when she came to the rink, she was always fine on the ice. It was giving me a charge. I want my athletes at work to see me the same - full of strength and desire to coach."

"For some reason, when people say that Eteri Georgievna is a strict coach, they picture her as a monster. I still hear it from those parents of my students, who know that I trained with Tutberidze. They look at me like I’ve been to hell and come back alive. But any coach at high level will not always stroke the athlete's head and ask him not to get upset. There are no such coaches in Russia. This did not discourage us, because we all understood perfectly - the coach wants us to be better. Nobody shouted at us simply because of bad mood. If we scolded, there was a reason. When you love your coach, there is no thought that you can get angry or upset at him because of criticism and rigor. He scolded - you went and corrected, did well, and now you have already been praised."

"I will not bring literal quotes right now, just the most important things that I learned. She taught me to be a maximalist, critical of myself. In my head I hear her [Eteri] saying: "You can always be better." Now I am already broadcasting this to my athletes. And I still treat myself this way."

"In general, I always was reading a lot. Eteri Georgievna got me used to it. It is important that you are always busy with something. You can not come home and laze around - this is what makes you relax. You need to be in good shape. The head should work even when the muscles are relaxed. There was a story, I am a bit ashamed to even remember it now. We went to compete, got stuck in traffic. And Eteri Georgievna asked me to tell a certain poem. I did not know it, excused myself somehow, but Eteri Georgievna told me so many verses from memory! I thought - wow, how she even manages to have time for everything."
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Very good quotes from Polina. Nothing negative at all. Very interesting.
 
Fluture said:
Can‘t we just talk about these jumps? :love:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtitE6wBt1u/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1im5ny6trycu8

It‘s such a shame that her JGP event wasn‘t so good, seeing her skate two clean programs at Nationals really showed her incredible talent. High, fully rotated and soft on the landing. And her spins are beautiful as well. She‘s fairly young but still very artistic for her age. I wish we could see her again this season. Since 3A is likely going to Worlds, maybe she could do the EYOF... But I don‘t think she‘s on the alternates list. :(

And also congrats to Team Panova, they‘ve brought up a few really promising skaters with great technique. (those lutzes are: :luv17: ) Kanysheva and Sinitsyna are really talented and I hope they‘ll continue to stay with her and improve further over the next few years.

Edit: Let’s talk about something else, maybe? Especially since our opinion on Eteri and her methods won‘t change. It‘s like beating a dead horse, no one can convince the other one, so what‘s the point even trying? Sometimes it‘s better not to talk about a topic too much or it‘ll be discussed to death. I certainly know what I‘m thinking about Eteri and I‘ve made it clear here before. That‘s it for me, unless new things are brought up, I‘ll stay out of this discussion. I don‘t want to try and restrict anyone‘s speaking but it‘s so tiring. There are so many Russian ladies... and so many events coming up. I feel like there certainly would be something else to spend our time on discussing.
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Hugely impressed by her. Honestly I would have put her above Anna into 3d. Her jumps were textbook perfect. Really sad that in Russia she is only 4th , in the US or Canada she would be number one.
 
Georgya said:
Yeah nothing new under the sun concerning Russia's youngsters or Eteri methods or coach-student relationship. Let's count the american girls with 3-4 years old careers in gymnastics. McKayla Maroney competed in seniors only 3 years. Rebecca Bross, Nastia Lukin, Shawn Johnson, etc. all had short senior careers. But when US is dominating the sport the americans are not so virulent in their criticism. Japan has pretty much the same methods Russia has, but only Russians and especially Eteri are evil.

What Russia does in figure skating with the ladies is monstruos, but what US does in gymnastics is not? Want to see more of the russian ladies? Change the 3 per country rule. People act as if youngsters are not as interesting as the seniors, look in this forum who has the most popular boards, the most views on video platforms. Hell, I fall in love again with figure skating during the last 4 years thanks to russian ladies.
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This is not an anti-Russian conspiracy simply because Eteri is criticised a lot in Russia as well.
 
It's always good to see different side of the story. Polina now a coach herself and aspires to be a successful one, probably understands and respects Eteri better than any of her previous students.
moriel said:
Some quotes from a recent interview with Polina Shelepen, Eteri's student. You may want to check it out, it has some insights on Eteri's "bully" personality.

https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?79021-Polina-Shelepen-Interview
"As far as I remember Eteri Georgievna - no matter how tired she was, what problems she had and how she felt when she came to the rink, she was always fine on the ice. It was giving me a charge. I want my athletes at work to see me the same - full of strength and desire to coach."

"For some reason, when people say that Eteri Georgievna is a strict coach, they picture her as a monster. I still hear it from those parents of my students, who know that I trained with Tutberidze. They look at me like I’ve been to hell and come back alive. But any coach at high level will not always stroke the athlete's head and ask him not to get upset. There are no such coaches in Russia. This did not discourage us, because we all understood perfectly - the coach wants us to be better. Nobody shouted at us simply because of bad mood. If we scolded, there was a reason. When you love your coach, there is no thought that you can get angry or upset at him because of criticism and rigor. He scolded - you went and corrected, did well, and now you have already been praised."

"I will not bring literal quotes right now, just the most important things that I learned. She taught me to be a maximalist, critical of myself. In my head I hear her [Eteri] saying: "You can always be better." Now I am already broadcasting this to my athletes. And I still treat myself this way."

"In general, I always was reading a lot. Eteri Georgievna got me used to it. It is important that you are always busy with something. You can not come home and laze around - this is what makes you relax. You need to be in good shape. The head should work even when the muscles are relaxed. There was a story, I am a bit ashamed to even remember it now. We went to compete, got stuck in traffic. And Eteri Georgievna asked me to tell a certain poem. I did not know it, excused myself somehow, but Eteri Georgievna told me so many verses from memory! I thought - wow, how she even manages to have time for everything."
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hippomoomin said:
It's always good to see different side of the story. Polina now a coach herself and aspires to be a successful one, probably understands and respects Eteri better than any of her previous students.
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we can't know about the last part, the very important part of the interview is "The main problem was that I loved my coach very much and could not imagine how I would go to her and say goodbye. It would be painfully hard." so other former students of Eteri can love and respect her as much or even stronger than Polina does - who can know? it's un-measurable
 
vorravorra said:
This is not an anti-Russian conspiracy simply because Eteri is criticised a lot in Russia as well.
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Funny! I'm not russian, I don't believe this is "anti-Russian conspiracy" but I do believe in envy and jealousy. And Russia has plenty of that at home.

You made me remember of this quote: "Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo"
 
vorravorra said:
This is not an anti-Russian conspiracy simply because Eteri is criticised a lot in Russia as well.
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It's odd EG is so criticised in Russia because where would Russian figure skating be without her and her making huge stars of Yulia then Zhenya then Alina and now 3a? Russia really needed Eteri the past 5 years or so.
 
moriel said:
Some quotes from a recent interview with Polina Shelepen, Eteri's student. You may want to check it out, it has some insights on Eteri's "bully" personality.

https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?79021-Polina-Shelepen-Interview
"As far as I remember Eteri Georgievna - no matter how tired she was, what problems she had and how she felt when she came to the rink, she was always fine on the ice. It was giving me a charge. I want my athletes at work to see me the same - full of strength and desire to coach."

"For some reason, when people say that Eteri Georgievna is a strict coach, they picture her as a monster. I still hear it from those parents of my students, who know that I trained with Tutberidze. They look at me like I’ve been to hell and come back alive. But any coach at high level will not always stroke the athlete's head and ask him not to get upset. There are no such coaches in Russia. This did not discourage us, because we all understood perfectly - the coach wants us to be better. Nobody shouted at us simply because of bad mood. If we scolded, there was a reason. When you love your coach, there is no thought that you can get angry or upset at him because of criticism and rigor. He scolded - you went and corrected, did well, and now you have already been praised."

"I will not bring literal quotes right now, just the most important things that I learned. She taught me to be a maximalist, critical of myself. In my head I hear her [Eteri] saying: "You can always be better." Now I am already broadcasting this to my athletes. And I still treat myself this way."

"In general, I always was reading a lot. Eteri Georgievna got me used to it. It is important that you are always busy with something. You can not come home and laze around - this is what makes you relax. You need to be in good shape. The head should work even when the muscles are relaxed. There was a story, I am a bit ashamed to even remember it now. We went to compete, got stuck in traffic. And Eteri Georgievna asked me to tell a certain poem. I did not know it, excused myself somehow, but Eteri Georgievna told me so many verses from memory! I thought - wow, how she even manages to have time for everything."
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Eteri is obviously a very smart person, with lots of grit. I have respect for that aspect of hers, especially how well she predicts the way the judges will go for certain aspects of skating, based off the rulebook. My opinions on her methods, personality, skating technique, programs, and other things will probably remain negative.
 
chopinskate said:
Eteri is obviously a very smart person, with lots of grit. I have respect for that aspect of hers, especially how well she predicts the way the judges will go for certain aspects of skating, based off the rulebook. My opinions on her methods, personality, skating technique, programs, and other things will probably remain negative.
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As 16-year-old Alina said recently - "It is impossible to please everyone." I think experienced Eteri Georgievna also understands this. I am sure she will not be upset because of your opinion. So, as we say in Russia - "вольному воля" (kind of - "you have free will")
 
moriel said:
Some quotes from a recent interview with Polina Shelepen, Eteri's student. You may want to check it out, it has some insights on Eteri's "bully" personality.

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Polina also said that Eteri and she were in a long lasting conflict situation. It is really strange. I mean why a coach and an adult would go on that path with her skater, who was also in a difficult transitional phase, as a teenager?
 
Georgya said:
1. The system was criticised because a lot of "big people" closed their eyes to Nassar and failed to protect the girls from sexual abuse. I didn't read about parents revolted against their girls being replaced so soon by juniors like is suggested on this forum in russia case.

2. Nastia Liukin didn't return to big competion after 2008. Her 2012 thing was a trial she failed. Actually all her big medals were won during 3 years 2005-2008. That IS all her senior career. And I can give you another 10 examples like that from US gymnastics.

3.Why is so wrong for figure skaters to have an olympic cycle career and then chose something else? Studies? Shows? etc.. Just because US have collegiate gymnastics, doesn't mean the rest of the world is out of options.

4. Figure skating and Gymnastics are very similar, you have to start trainning young like 6-7 yo. What you may like as a child you may not like as a teen or young adult. I was so disturbed when a read a sergei grinkov confession that he actually disliked skating, he probably did it because of pressure, not to dissapoint his partner, his familly, his coach, country, fans. This is why I actually support shorter senior career for certain sports. Also the risks of injury in figure skating or gymnastics are incomparable higher than other sports. It's "normal" to run after a ball and to kick it, it's not normal for the human body to do 4 revolutions jumping on the ice or a tsukahara.
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Because usually they do not choose something else. The majority of them want to stay and have longer careers, but they are not able to that because of many factors. We practical discuss these factors.
 
Scott512 said:
It's odd EG is so criticised in Russia because where would Russian figure skating be without her and her making huge stars of Yulia then Zhenya then Alina and now 3a? Russia really needed Eteri the past 5 years or so.
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Probably because people are worried for the health of these skaters, I mean they dont see only the results, the "images", but they see also the human beings behind the images.
It is also about the professional ethics of being a coach. Do the ends justify the means?
 
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