2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[melgirl25]

Maybe someone who speaks Russian can translate the interview. Would be interesting to hear the whole interview anyway.

 

[narcissa]

It is hilarious that anyone would extrapolate Alina's comment about rinsing the mouth to mean anything remotely connected with water-deprivation. That is why it is either hilarious or something more sinister.



By the way, it is common practice among geriatric people to rinse and spit as a way of keeping hydrated, when for one or another reason they cannot drink much, e.g. sleep or continence problem. It is well-known as very effective means of maintaining hydration.

Li Zijun also mentioned having to deprive herself of water for weight management. It was before Sochi when she was training under Li Mingzhu, who was famous for being strict about weight. It seems it contributed to her very low stamina during this period.

"For a long time, Li Zijun did not eat all day long, and her mother decided to lose weight with her. Sometimes the mother and daughter were too hungry to sleep at night, lying in two adjacent beds listening to the murmur of each others stomachs, encouraging each other and inspiring each other. The most uncomfortable thing is not to drink water, because drinking water will make the body very heavy. Sometimes Im too thirsty to rinse my mouth with water, and then spit it out."

https://www.jqknews.com/news/96590-Li_Zijun_a_pretty_girl_drives_high_and_walks_down.html

 

[Giltedge]

Li Zijun also mentioned having to deprive herself of water for weight management. It was before Sochi when she was training under Li Mingzhu, who was famous for being strict about weight. It seems it contributed to her very low stamina during this period.

"For a long time, Li Zijun did not eat all day long, and her mother decided to lose weight with her. Sometimes the mother and daughter were too hungry to sleep at night, lying in two adjacent beds listening to the murmur of each others stomachs, encouraging each other and inspiring each other. The most uncomfortable thing is not to drink water, because drinking water will make the body very heavy. Sometimes Im too thirsty to rinse my mouth with water, and then spit it out."

https://www.jqknews.com/news/96590-Li_Zijun_a_pretty_girl_drives_high_and_walks_down.html

Whilst there will always be people who take things to extremes, I doubt 99.9 per cent recurring of sensible sportspeople, including our happy Alina and her team of responsible coaches, are doing anything more than what I mentioned before, sensible hydration techniques that avoid actually imbibing. It is common practice even during high-perspiring sports events to do this swill-and-spit rather than imbibe, to avoid the swilling feeling in the gut. The body makes up for it later through direct intake of water or simply through food. By the way, water circulation has very little to do with weight maintenance. It sounds like there's a sort of cod-science doing the rounds.

 

[flanker]

What's so funny about it?

This whole new affair is funny, again one line ripped out of context mskes people reason to live. Well, it is completely common before and during competitions, not only figure skating, gymnastics and similar, to drink only very small amout of water or only rinse one's mouth. Just watch the bycicle races like Tour de france, cyclists spit the beverage most of the time during the race. It's not even due to weight, but the digestion process. I myself am still running and I can tell you that drinking bigger amout of water than let's say one gulp like hour or less before I start is literally killer thing.

 

[Georgya]

Not sure if the translation is correct, but just read a tweet saying:

Zagitova in her Puma interview: "At the Olympics I limited myself: it could be said that I did not drink water at all, we rinsed our mouths and spit it out".

What the actual ......

Jesus! Don't you guys watch like any other sport? Tennis players drink and spit, football players, boxers, MMA fighters, NFL players (american football), athletes. It's a technique. To hydrate just enough not to have dry mouths, suffer cramps, heat stroke or need to use the restroom.

I didn't read Alina's interview so I assume she is referring to drinking during some hours before competition. I've read that before competing you don't want to get the liquid in your stomach. It may cause you to throw up or have a stomach ache.

It depends on the sport and the kind of liquid. You hydrate before activity. During the activity you take short gulps of water to maintain your hyradtion. Then rehydrate after.

New York Times has a explanation about football players spitting sports-drink
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/sports/world-cup/harry-kane-england.html

 

[noidont]

People who prefer to live in bubbles will continue to live in bubbles. Being a professional athlete is never nice and cozy. Even at your local gym there are always some who watch their weight and starve themselves like crazy.

 

[Sugar Coated]

Jesus! Don't you guys watch like any other sport? Tennis players drink and spit, football players, boxers, MMA fighters, NFL players (american football), athletes. It's a technique. To hydrate just enough not to have dry mouths, suffer cramps, heat stroke or need to use the restroom.

I didn't read Alina's interview so I assume she is referring to drinking during some hours before competition. I've read that before competing you don't want to get the liquid in your stomach. It may cause you to throw up or have a stomach ache.

It depends on the sport and the kind of liquid. You hydrate before activity. During the activity you take short gulps of water to maintain your hyradtion. Then rehydrate after.

New York Times has a explanation about football players spitting sports-drink
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/sports/world-cup/harry-kane-england.html

If I understand that article right, its not about hydration its about getting carbohydrates into the bloodstream quickly. They are putting a carbohydrate fueled liquid in their mouth and then spitting it out to trick the brain into allowing more energy to be used without actually ingesting carbohydrates. To me this seems completely different than depriving yourself of liquid. I have to imagine that football players are also hydrating consistently throughout the match, especially in the heat to avoid heat stroke as so much of temperature management happens through sweat.

Wrestlers who avoid hydration only do so until weigh in and then rehydrate immediately. I can understand not wanting to have too much liquid in your belly right before competing, so not drinking large quantities of water close to competition, but you absolutely need to be consistently hydrating. I can't see any benefit to training without hydration. You risk serious hypernatremia and potentially serious and permanent effects on the body. And it should prevent optimal performance. I believe that this might be something encouraged in Russia. I've heard it alluded to in other interviews and with Viner's athletes. I'd be really interested to see the reasoning and what science is actually behind this.

 

[Georgya]

If I understand that article right, its not about hydration its about getting carbohydrates into the bloodstream quickly. They are putting a carbohydrate fueled liquid in their mouth and then spitting it out to trick the brain into allowing more energy to be used without actually ingesting carbohydrates. To me this seems completely different than depriving yourself of liquid. I have to imagine that football players are also hydrating consistently throughout the match, especially in the heat to avoid heat stroke as so much of temperature management happens through sweat.

Wrestlers who avoid hydration only do so until weigh in and then rehydrate immediately. I can understand not wanting to have too much liquid in your belly right before competing, so not drinking large quantities of water close to competition, but you absolutely need to be consistently hydrating. I can't see any benefit to training without hydration. You risk serious hypernatremia and potentially serious and permanent effects on the body. And it should prevent optimal performance. I believe that this might be something encouraged in Russia. I've heard it alluded to in other interviews and with Viner's athletes. I'd be really interested to see the reasoning and what science is actually behind this.

They are doing the same spitting thing with bottles of normal water. Just watch eurosport for a couple of hours and will see plenty of examples from all kinds of sports Some prefer water, some sport-drinks. I think is just something they do during de competition, or right before it. It's nothing new - for those who follow others sports, there is something more disturbing: boxers starve themselves for days before being officially weighted. No water either. Some are fainting in front of the press.

Edit! It's not about during training, it's about the actual competition!

 

[Fluture]

It would be interesting to hear what Alina actually said. If any Russian speaker could provide us with that information, I think it could help a lot. Sometimes translations are misleading or not entirely accurate.

I hope it’s just about the usual not drinking too much shortly before competition and not something else. Because that would be dangerous and totally unhealthy.

But anyway, Alina really needs to watch a bit more what she says. Such comments are doing no good to anyone. She knows her and her team are being closely scrutinized... so just... don‘t say things like that if you know they‘re going to be misquoted.

 

[Seruleane]

Wonderful interview with Inna Goncharenko (I love how sensible she seems, wish we could have seen her and Elena R at the 2018 Olympics):
https://rsport.ria.ru/20190207/1550501084.html

Translation here:
https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/vaytsekhovskayas-interview-with-goncharenko.105262/

 

[Amei]

Not sure if the translation is correct, but just read a tweet saying:

Zagitova in her Puma interview: "At the Olympics I limited myself: it could be said that I did not drink water at all, we rinsed our mouths and spit it out".

What the actual ......

Most importantly I hope this is just an instance of a really bad translation job. But if not - Alina already made the eyebrow raising comment about being able to stop puberty if you shut your mouth...Does Sambo not have any type of media training for what skaters should and should not talk about?

Question for poster(s) that are familiar with Russian culture - are eating disorders not really something that's taboo like it is in the US? I mean if Bradie or Mariah made that kind of comment it would probably be a big story on national type talk shows.

 

[Mawwerg]

I doubt something close to it was said. Journalists could not miss such thing :hap85:And there are nothing in Russian sources.

 

[andromache]

People who prefer to live in bubbles will continue to live in bubbles. Being a professional athlete is never nice and cozy. Even at your local gym there are always some who watch their weight and starve themselves like crazy.

You are describing an eating disorder. Adults with eating disorders are, for better or worse, on their own - they can decide to seek treatment or not. However, a minor with an eating disorder should have adults in their lives who are responsible enough to make them get treatment and not encourage the eating disorder behavior.

 

[Sugar Coated]

They are doing the same spitting thing with bottles of normal water. Just watch eurosport for a couple of hours and will see plenty of examples from all kinds of sports Some prefer water, some sport-drinks. I think is just something they do during de competition, or right before it. It's nothing new - for those who follow others sports, there is something more disturbing: boxers starve themselves for days before being officially weighted. No water either. Some are fainting in front of the press.

Edit! It's not about during training, it's about the actual competition!

Again, according to the article it’s never water they are spitting. It’s sugar water for a burst of energy. From what I read, nothing precludes them from also drinking regular water for hydration while also doing carb spitting. It’s a completely different process and doesn’t mean they aren’t also drinking water.

 

[zenskate]

I doubt something close to it was said. Journalists could not miss such thing :hap85:And there are nothing in Russian sources.

:agree:
Taken out of context, mistranslated, all possibilities. Remember the headline "Medvedeva makes Samodurova cry"?
But some people don't think that far and blame Alina for the interview

Alina is a very nice, very gracious young lady. She shows us that through her actions, not just her words.

Besides, if we're going to talk about Alina's interview, how about the part where Alina says she gets to eat whatever she wants, except cake, and Eteri never body-shames?

 

[malya]

For some happy ice show news (idk if it has been posted yet)

Alina and Liza will be in Stars on Ice Japan
Zhenya will be in Stars on Ice Canada

I hope our reigning European Champion Sofia will also get some invite, I think she would be a good addition to any show

 

[moriel]

Wonderful interview with Inna Goncharenko (I love how sensible she seems, wish we could have seen her and Elena R at the 2018 Olympics):
https://rsport.ria.ru/20190207/1550501084.html

Translation here:
https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/vaytsekhovskayas-interview-with-goncharenko.105262/

I kind of wish she was that sensible while coaching Lena.
Because Lena is literally the opposite of what she praises there, and its a pity she didn't survive puberty =(

Also vaytsekhovskaya eww

 

[esteticlove]

It is not like the athletes are deprived of water for days on end.
No, diuretics and short abstention of water are a proven way of quick weight loss. No harm done once competition is over and the body is replenished.

Generally speaking..

Diuretics are doping. And not harmless . Not drinking water for a long time actually sets physiological processes in motion which at the end lead to antidiuretic effects like retaining water into the body system (if you're more interested onto this topic you could google ADH hormon effects and how it's release is triggered by hyperosmolarity of the blood). So, they are depriving themselves from liquids because they don't want their body weight to fluctuate before competition and not because it reduces the weight itself.

The thing with the carbohydrate drinks is interesting. How do they trick the brain? Honestly, I don't know. For me it sounds more as if they are just preventing acute hypoglycemia. It's similar as when you feel that your blood sugar is very low, and you are probably about to collapse and then take a spoon of sugar under your tongue.

 

[freeman21]

I myself am still running and I can tell you that drinking bigger amout of water than let's say one gulp like hour or less before I start is literally killer thing.

Runner here (nothing close to professional athletes, just 30-40km/week). I'm sorry to say this, but if this is true, you may have a health problem.

 

[flanker]

Runner here (nothing close to professional athletes, just 30-40km/week). I'm sorry to say this, but if this is true, you may have a health problem.

Mhmm, health problem like since my 5 y. o. that didn't kill me during next more than 30 years is no health problem at all