2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Scott512]

Well, I hope so. I thought so too but Euros scared me a bit. She came back in the FS but the SP wasn‘t good, unfortunately. If she gets to go, I‘ll root for her, of course. But I won‘t feel too secure.

There will always be complaining about the scoring. It‘s inevitable. For me, personally, I‘m very happy with how my favorite - Zhenya - skated today. The most important is to see her happy and proud and that‘s what happened today and what I hope to see tomorrow, regardless of the end result. Even though I will root for her primarily, of course, I won‘t wish the others bad luck either. I hope they all do well and the best gets to go in the end.

I also hope that whoever goes to Worlds won‘t go to the Universiade so that the other two will be able to go. This way we can see all three of them again. Good luck to everyone tomorrow.

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Exactly.

Stasya is one of the taller Russian girls and the taller skaters always have more issues and one of her issues is skating clean and another is certainly her confidence. I think a lot of people thought Nastya should have gone to Worlds ahead of her last year and I think so too. But this is a better Stasya than a year ago.Zhenya has the advantage going into tomorrow where they experience and belief and the level of success she's had over three years. What happened to Liza catching pneumonia was truly horrific and changed her season. But if she comes up with the goods tomorrow she can still go to Worlds.

Good point about Universiade. The two that don't go to world should go to that as well as perhaps Nastya if she has a good free skate tomorrow.

 

[zounger]

Good point about Universiade. The two that don't go to world should go to that as well as perhaps Nastya if she has a good free skate tomorrow.

Gubanova is still at school I think and she doesn't need pity competitions, I have her high in my standards. Better send Sotskova at Universiade who is a real student and no a tourist. You can give a good message as well with such a move.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

zhenyas 2a was clearly under. but finally some level4 spins, however quite slow

I don't think the 2A was clearly under but definitely not worth the +3s it got in the protocol, lol. Even the loop and combo (3T) looked borderline (I actually thought it was UR and didn't think it was much more rotated than Liza's 3A, for example; internationally she might have been flagged for those). Regardless, it was still a gutsy skate from her, with Worlds on the line.

I really hope Medvedeva earns her spot at Worlds (I don't think she earned 1st in the SP here) and isn't held up over a clean Konstantinova (who, IMO, deserves to go to Worlds after a fairly solid season).

 

[thatbeatingheart]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BuFxPssFSdQ/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=8st44rabz99r

Who is this girl? Rippon 3A on the floor. Yes, it‘s UR but still. :eeking: :shocked:

Stanislava Molchanova, but I can't really find anything out about her other than that she was born in 2004 and is coached by Sergey Dobrin.

 

[chopinskate]

Even the loop and combo (3T) looked borderline

It's generally poor quality video and angles, IMO. The loop looked fine to me, but the 3T did look borderline to UR. And I agree she didn't earn 1st place after the SP.

 

[Seren]

I was just happy to see Evgenia put out a good short and look happy. I think she is finding her confidence again. Seeing how much support she got from the crowd was lovely too.

 

[Sugar Coated]

Great skates by so many of the Russian ladies. I'm really looking forward to tomorrow.

Somewhat off topic, but I noticed that both Sofia and Elizaveta tend to wear ponytails. Is that a Mishin thing? I feel like it works for Sofia but I think Elizaveta would look so much more sophisticated with her hair in a bun. Its trivial, but to me it just looks somewhat unpolished and can distract from some of the jumps.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

It's generally poor quality video and angles, IMO. The loop looked fine to me, but the 3T did look borderline to UR. And I agree she didn't earn 1st place after the SP.

The link of that Gubanova Video I posted had a very close up look at skating that might be interesting for analyzing things. Looks like they’ve uploaded several other skaters too if one is looking to have a more intimate review of jumps

Here is their channel:

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheFSRussia

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Stanislava Molchanova, but I can't really find anything out about her other than that she was born in 2004 and is coached by Sergey Dobrin.

Oh, I liked her this season! She was 7th and 9th at her two junior Russian Cups this season. Not from Moscow or St. Petersburg either which is how she caught my eye

 

[Jontor]

Liza, Zhenya, and Stasya all bested her in SS. Zhenya scores 9.30 to Anastasiia’s 8.30.

Anastasiia was the only one to achieve a level 4 StSeq too.

And that puzzles me. If you are the only one with level 4 in Step Seq - isn't that proof that your Skating Skills are great!!??!!

 

[chopinskate]

And that puzzles me. If you are the only one with level 4 in Step Seq - isn't that proof that your Skating Skills are great!!??!!

It means you have trained a level 4 step sequence, and have pretty good skating skills to pull off its requirements, sure.

 

[Jontor]

It means you have trained a level 4 step sequence, and have pretty good skating skills to pull off its requirements, sure.

So that means, as I'm sure all of them trained level 4 Step Seq, the others didn't have the skating skills to pull it off. And so that should reflect on the Skating Skills score...?

 

[lzxnl]

Which quad isn't higher than its corresponding triple? Not sure what you're saying here. Do you mean that some people execute quads that are lower than the best executions of its corresponding triple?

Also, jumping higher would actually give more time to complete rotation in the air, and therefore break out in a manner that resolves the landing with lower torque being exerted on the landing foot. There are multiple reasons why I find this "they don't NEED to jump higher when they rotate that fast" reverse-reasoning to be some of the stupidest stuff being spoken into existence, especially when it comes to quads.

You're right in that jumping higher for a quad is desirable, but given rotational requirements, is it always possible? If you want to rotate faster, you have to bring your arms and legs in faster, which may give you less time to spring up/your energy gets diverted from vertical motion to pulling in. Some figures from this study show that some skaters jump 2As and 3As at similar heights; a few even jumped lower 3As than 2As. I don't think my conclusion is as preposterous as you think given the result of this study. You can check other studies if you wish, but you won't find a huge height difference between doubles and triples. I can't find studies for quads as of yet.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAQegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw3CAkTIDuFd-6ImdvhIzR49

 

[Stlcomet]

If you'd like to (re)watch the CoR Finals Sr Ladies Short:

https://youtu.be/3r_9upwDerc

First skater starts around the 23 minute mark

 

[Lachinka]

Has anyone been confirmed for Universiade yet? How many spots does Russia have there? Three as usual?

 

[Jontor]

From the above comments, it sounds like the Russian fed still doesn't support Gubanova. I really wish I could have a peek inside the judge's heads: what is it they see in their favourites that isn't there in Gubanova?

Yes I wonder too. What are the judges really thinking?? Personally I find Medvedeva's skating a bit "heavy" when I find Gubanova more "light". For me "light" is better, but does the judges think so? Or are they seeing something completely different?? Or is it all about the fact that Gubanova takes her time before the jumps? Is that it? Or is it something trivial, like her appearance, looks, they don't like her knees, or whatever?? We want a Russian Judge telling us about these things

 

[Ophelia]

The skating could very well look different live to judges.

I remember I never understood the hoopla over Patrick Chan's skating until I saw him live.

 

[chopinskate]

You're right in that jumping higher for a quad is desirable, but given rotational requirements, is it always possible? If you want to rotate faster, you have to bring your arms and legs in faster, which may give you less time to spring up/your energy gets diverted from vertical motion to pulling in. Some figures from this study show that some skaters jump 2As and 3As at similar heights; a few even jumped lower 3As than 2As. I don't think my conclusion is as preposterous as you think given the result of this study. You can check other studies if you wish, but you won't find a huge height difference between doubles and triples. I can't find studies for quads as of yet.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAQegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw3CAkTIDuFd-6ImdvhIzR49

What are you defining as "huge"? Factually what we see in elite level skating is that triple axels are jumped higher than double axels.

Also, someone did a 79 cm high 1A?!

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

Really? So it is not as plain as day, and you might have lost sleep over it at a later point?

It is plain as day that it is at least UR. I think it looks downgraded but I could accept the argument that it was < because these streams aren't the same quality as the panel's technology and I am open to the possibility that it isn't as bad as it seems. This would be the benefit of the doubt given to the skater. But there is no saying it was all the way around.

Also, I reviewed the link of Evgenia's program that you posted. It was a different angle than the first one I saw. Upon this review I think you are correct about the 2A. I paused at the moment she landed and took a very good look and I believe she landed on her toe just short, just like Vincent. It was so so close. The 3T was even closer. I think only the harshest caller would call that, but I could see it.

Thing is even if we are using the same standards for both Stanislava and Evgenia I could see giving Evgenia the benefit of the doubt on the 3T and maybe even 2A while calling Stanislava's 3Lo<, mostly bevause think Stanislava's looked closer to <<. Like to me, Evgenia's 2A is more like Vincent's 4L in the short where Stanislava's 3Lo is more like his 4S. That 4S had to be called even by the most lenient caller. I'd love to see what Shin Amano would do with all 3 and I think its too bad that RusFed doesn't seem to care because that's what we could be getting at worlds.

The Channel 1 link wasn't the best angle of Stanislava's 3Lo. You can really see what I'm talking about on the stream with protocols, but unfortunately I can't find that version on Youtube. If someone adds it later I will follow up.

 

[icybear]

Honestly if pcs werent so heavily based on reputation, Medvedeva pcs would be a lot closer to the others. Previous years I could partially accept her getting better pcs due to her transitions and her performance level. But this year, she has hardly any transitions into her jumps, her interpretation feels unnatural and in the step seq the dramatic music is completely unparallel to her weak flailing arm movements.