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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

Trolls are not sleeping. Another attack on Alina in Russian media. Some commentator called Zhurankov who had already attacked her before describes Alina's season like that: "worlds - fail, GPF - lost to Kihira, Rusnats - fail, Europeans - fail". He asks rhetorically: "why is she going to the worlds then?" And then puts pressure on the Fed to "you should play by the rules".

https://sport24.ru/news/other/2019-...rnogo-kataniya-raskritikovali-za-otbor-na-chm
 
About world's spots, I'd go with Sofia, Alina, and Liza. I love Zhenya too, but she hasn't had the greatest season while the others did. Liza has proven that she has recovered (at least sufficiently).

I can see where there is argument for Zhenya to go - she has a high scoring potential, she has had excellent results in previous seasons, and she won RCF. But I'd go with results from this season overall in determining the worlds team
 
About world's spots, I'd go with Sofia, Alina, and Liza. I love Zhenya too, but she hasn't had the greatest season while the others did. Liza has proven that she has recovered (at least sufficiently).

I can see where there is argument for Zhenya to go - she has a high scoring potential, she has had excellent results in previous seasons, and she won RCF. But I'd go with results from this season overall in determining the worlds team
Me too. 1 competition result cannot simply override the entire season's results of the 3 skaters; alina, liza, sofia.
 
Trolls are not sleeping. Another attack on Alina in Russian media. Some commentator called Zhurankov who had already attacked her before describes Alina's season like that: "worlds - fail, GPF - lost to Kihira, Rusnats - fail, Europeans - fail". He asks rhetorically: "why is she going to the worlds then?" And then puts pressure on the Fed to "you should play by the rules".

https://sport24.ru/news/other/2019-...rnogo-kataniya-raskritikovali-za-otbor-na-chm
Second place at the GPF is not a tragedy, I don't know why people seem to think this. At RusNat and Euro she wasn't at her best, that's true, but I don't understand who he believes should go in her place, considering the actual situation. Evgenia had an even worst season and Kostantinova is super inconsistent.
Maybe Alina is going into a downward spiral, but right now she's still a surer bet than the other choices.
 
Trolls are not sleeping. Another attack on Alina in Russian media. Some commentator called Zhurankov who had already attacked her before describes Alina's season like that: "worlds - fail, GPF - lost to Kihira, Rusnats - fail, Europeans - fail". He asks rhetorically: "why is she going to the worlds then?" And then puts pressure on the Fed to "you should play by the rules".

https://sport24.ru/news/other/2019-...rnogo-kataniya-raskritikovali-za-otbor-na-chm

Is he important in any way? Has any say on the final decision? Because if he is only a commentator who doesn‘t even have anything to do with the Russian fed, I think we‘d do best to ignore that. Especially since sport.ru is usually filled with so much hate, if you try to find something sensible, it will take you a while. His arguments have no basis, no logic. Why do you even bring this here? There‘s so much hate on the internet and in forums already, we really don‘t need any more of that.
 
Trolls are not sleeping. Another attack on Alina in Russian media. Some commentator called Zhurankov who had already attacked her before describes Alina's season like that: "worlds - fail, GPF - lost to Kihira, Rusnats - fail, Europeans - fail". He asks rhetorically: "why is she going to the worlds then?" And then puts pressure on the Fed to "you should play by the rules".

https://sport24.ru/news/other/2019-...rnogo-kataniya-raskritikovali-za-otbor-na-chm

We call him Durankov in 2013..if you remember the story. It seems he didn't change and nor did the Russian sport journalism..
 
We need to cancel 3percontrying. We want to see the best against the best on Worlds. Raise your hand who bothers with watching first 2 warm-ups?

Er I do. I enjoy supporting these skaters. They may not have all the jumps, but sometimes they have the best interpretation. Consider Donovan Carrillo of Mexico, if not for the three per country rule we might never see skaters like him.

Let's STOP this discriminative quota system! Otherwise talented skaters (who train very hard) have to stay home just because they were born at the countries with deep field, and less talented skaters (and probably less trained and prepared) are going to competion instead of them just because they were born at the country/continent with less concurrent field. Not fair to those who are more talented and work harder.

I think the opposite is true, how would a skater from a small Fed such as Yuna even get a chance to become great if only the skaters from countries with lots of facilities get a shot. There's so many amazing skaters from Russia, Japan and the US is partly because of all their amazing facilities available. For example a single suburb in Chicago has more rinks than in the whole of Australia. How would skaters like Brendan Kerry and Kailani Craine ever get opportunities in such an unfair playing field?

Every country with skaters that make the minimums should be allowed one entry. They can have six Russians and six Japanese skaters too, but pushing out the skaters from smaller Feds is not the way. This will make the competition longer and since the ISU won't let this occur, the 3 per country quota has to remain.
 
Is he important in any way? Has any say on the final decision? Because if he is only a commentator who doesn‘t even have anything to do with the Russian fed, I think we‘d do best to ignore that. Especially since sport.ru is usually filled with so much hate, if you try to find something sensible, it will take you a while. His arguments have no basis, no logic. Why do you even bring this here? There‘s so much hate on the internet and in forums already, we really don‘t need any more of that.

Don't compare me and you with Zhurankov who is figure skating commentator on Russian Eurosport Channel. If someone from the list of usual suspects here on GS or from sports.ru said another stupid or nasty thing about Alina I would not post a quotation, believe me.
 
Admittedly, I haven‘t exactly thought this through, but why not have the winner of Euros and 4CC respectively get an automatic slot at Worlds? Then the country they‘re from can choose the other skaters independently, according to the number of spots they normally have. This would mostly benefit Russia and Japan but they are the strongest nations in figure skating and theoretically everyone has a shot. This way we would have Sofia and Rika reserved and Russia and Japan could send Evgenia and Mai Mihara as their fourth ladies. It would only add two skaters, surely that shouldn‘t be too much of a problem? And it would make 4CC more prestigious. No idea about the Olympics, though, I guess they have special rules.
 
Er I do. I enjoy supporting these skaters. They may not have all the jumps, but sometimes they have the best interpretation. Consider Donovan Carrillo of Mexico, if not for the three per country rule we might never see skaters like him.



I think the opposite is true, how would a skater from a small Fed such as Yuna even get a chance to become great if only the skaters from countries with lots of facilities get a shot. There's so many amazing skaters from Russia, Japan and the US is partly because of all their amazing facilities available. For example a single suburb in Chicago has more rinks than in the whole of Australia. How would skaters like Brendan Kerry and Kailani Craine ever get opportunities in such an unfair playing field?

Every country with skaters that make the minimums should be allowed one entry. They can have six Russians and six Japanese skaters too, but pushing out the skaters from smaller Feds is not the way. This will make the competition longer and since the ISU won't let this occur, the 3 per country quota has to remain.

Tennis has hour long matches. Although they cut 5 sets approach in men's Davis Cup, it is still a lot of time combined for each tournament. And yet, they have qualifiers. That's what I am talking about. Introduce qualifiers. The argument that people won't watch is weak. There were very few people in Korea for early groups in ladies anyway: hard core figure skating fans and fans from participating countries. Those will watch qualifiers as well. National TVs could show qualifiers if their skaters participate. It's the same as in tennis: in Russia they showed qualifiers of a recent event in Dubai with the Russians.
 
Tennis has hour long matches. Although they cut 5 sets approach in men's Davis Cup, it is still a lot of time combined for each tournament. And yet, they have qualifiers. That's what I am talking about. Introduce qualifiers. The argument that people won't watch is weak. There were very few people in Korea for early groups in ladies anyway: hard core figure skating fans and fans from participating countries. Those will watch qualifiers as well. National TVs could show qualifiers if their skaters participate. It's the same as in tennis: in Russia they showed qualifiers of a recent event in Dubai with the Russians.

Didn‘t skating actually have qualifying rounds and they cut them because they made events too long and were too expensive?
 
Say goodbye to state funding then.

Countries fund sport because it looks good on themselves - remove them from the equation and they'll remove their contribution

Most people aren't rich enough to pursue sport at that high of a level. And only elite athletes can get sponsors of any sort, so those won't help developing athletes at all.

Figure skating is a super expensive sport. who's going to pay to host events, invite judges, do broadcasting?

State funds? Most countries (semi-socialistically oriented, like ex-communist and Scandinavians) fund their public sport infrastructure mainly for kids to do sports and grow up healthy. It's only if they have a great potentialz they are offered to enroll into pro-level. Like Sambo-70 is a sport school with a couple of dozens coaches and training groups, and they have only 1 elite group - Eteri&Co. They are not "crazy expensive" to fund, since they use the same infrastructure and ice rink as other kids from "health groups" (as they are calling them). State "prestige" is not a big expense if a country provide free public sport infrastructure for its population.

Countries still can host and take care of expenses of tournaments. Governments usually like hosting and inviting athletes and tourists over. +sponsors.

Figure skating is not the most expensive sport, trust me.
 
Trolls are not sleeping. Another attack on Alina in Russian media. Some commentator called Zhurankov who had already attacked her before describes Alina's season like that: "worlds - fail, GPF - lost to Kihira, Rusnats - fail, Europeans - fail". He asks rhetorically: "why is she going to the worlds then?" And then puts pressure on the Fed to "you should play by the rules".

https://sport24.ru/news/other/2019-...rnogo-kataniya-raskritikovali-za-otbor-na-chm
Is he a TAT's pal?
 
Was it the one when he said something about Plushenko?

Yes. He told on Russian channel EUROSPORT 2 during the WCH that Plush faked the injury at ECH. He was operated in 3 March in Israel.

"Well, what can I say about it... I'm especially bitter, aware of the fact that Andrey Zhurankov @AZhurankov, pretending to the title of a sports journalist, which in itself should mean a certain level of professionalism, could understand all the mendacity which he told on Russian channel EUROSPORT 2 about me as a athlete and person, that is, he deliberately insulted my honor, dignity and reputation.
Sport - it's my life.Sporting achievements in the name of the glory of Russia - this is my religion. For me, it's not just words, it is the essence of all that I did and do in the sport. Violating the code of ethics of the journalist, Zhurankov slandered and insulted not only me, than also my entire team, including a genius coach Alexei Mishin, wonderful assistants, my fans in Russia and around the world.
Fact is so disgusting and transcends, that I'm not going to leave it just like that. In the end, there is a law, there is a court, in which I will defend my dignity of athlete and person."

Plush most of the time doesn't care about the news on him especially in tabloids he said once! what is the true but doesn't respond the other stupidities. He is over them. But this was to much for him and sued Durankov. The court rejected it because of something "linguistic" reason I didn't understand. After that his lawyer said something would then be solved in a different way, many said Plush wanted to use his influence and remove him from his work. We can see that didn't happen, of course. In Sochi Plush announced that Durankov apologized to him.

I never understand how he could think that? If he lies his wife, her little sons who live with him, his first son,wife, Mishin, Mishin's other pupils, Mishin's co-workers, the hospital, etc, also needed to lie..Too many persons know the secret.. This risk for what?

Sorry for the off topic
 
Yes. He told on Russian channel EUROSPORT 2 during the WCH that Plush faked the injury at ECH. He was operated in 3 March in Israel.

"Well, what can I say about it... I'm especially bitter, aware of the fact that Andrey Zhurankov @AZhurankov, pretending to the title of a sports journalist, which in itself should mean a certain level of professionalism, could understand all the mendacity which he told on Russian channel EUROSPORT 2 about me as a athlete and person, that is, he deliberately insulted my honor, dignity and reputation.
Sport - it's my life.Sporting achievements in the name of the glory of Russia - this is my religion. For me, it's not just words, it is the essence of all that I did and do in the sport. Violating the code of ethics of the journalist, Zhurankov slandered and insulted not only me, than also my entire team, including a genius coach Alexei Mishin, wonderful assistants, my fans in Russia and around the world.
Fact is so disgusting and transcends, that I'm not going to leave it just like that. In the end, there is a law, there is a court, in which I will defend my dignity of athlete and person."

Plush most of the time doesn't care about the news on him especially in tabloids he said once! what is the true but doesn't respond the other stupidities. He is over them. But this was to much for him and sued Durankov. The court rejected it because of something "linguistic" reason I didn't understand. After that his lawyer said something would then be solved in a different way, many said Plush wanted to use his influence and remove him from his work. We can see that didn't happen, of course. In Sochi Plush announced that Durankov apologized to him.

I never understand how he could think that? If he lies his wife, her little sons who live with him, his first son,wife, Mishin, Mishin's other pupils, Mishin's co-workers, the hospital, etc, also needed to lie..Too many persons know the secret.. This risk for what?

Sorry for the off topic

I don't think the problem is him thinking this - the problem is why would an influencial commentator like him SHARE a theory like that with the audience. You can believe what you want to believe and have your theories, but if they are not proven and only negative about an athlete (of your country!) you should not speak out loud if you have a big audience.

-> professionalism. In Russian FS it's different apparently :)
 
I read somewhere that Mishin, when asked about Sofia, stated that he still has no clear statement from the Fed whether Sofia is going to Worlds. Now, with both Liza and Zhenya apparently not going to Universiade, I'm getting really worried that they will take Sofia off the Worlds team. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of both Liza and Zhenya and wish them all success and happiness in the world. But this year, Sofia earned her place on the Worlds team fair and square. What kind of message would it send to young and upcoming Russian skaters if they take her off the team after all she has achieved this season?
 
I read somewhere that Mishin, when asked about Sofia, stated that he still has no clear statement from the Fed whether Sofia is going to Worlds. Now, with both Liza and Zhenya apparently not going to Universiade, I'm getting really worried that they will take Sofia off the Worlds team. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of both Liza and Zhenya and wish them all success and happiness in the world. But this year, Sofia earned her place on the Worlds team fair and square. What kind of message would it send to young and upcoming Russian skaters if they take her off the team after all she has achieved this season?

"You are replaceable." Which they are.

(There's also fine print at the bottom that states "Please leave your hopes and dreams at the door, they will be recycled.")
 
If the anti Zagitova and anti Medvyedeva tabloid wars flare up again and verbal attacks get nasty, both skaters should be on the alert and stay safe, watch their moves in public spaces.
Not indulge in any social media activity themselves, stay silent and let their managers handle it.

The skaters all need to feel secure during their final preparations at their home rinks, no distractions, no disturbances, no pressure from the fan factions.
 
Er I do. I enjoy supporting these skaters. They may not have all the jumps, but sometimes they have the best interpretation. Consider Donovan Carrillo of Mexico, if not for the three per country rule we might never see skaters like him.

That's the point. You still are speaking about "countries", and I'm offering to remove this word from the equation at all. Athletes and their individualities are more important than their countries. Besides competitive figure skating is still a sport. There are shows and stuff for best "interpretation". And for those who doesn't jump quads but have a lot of transitions (and "balanced programs" *cough cough* Lysachek) . ;)

Just think about it. Donovan Carrillo definitely took a spot of a more talented athletes from somewhere else, was it fair to that guy? So we discriminate and leave this guy home just to give Donovans-Carrillos of the world their 8-9 minutes to shine and to do some flag waving? Not cool. We would survive if we'd never saw him, but at the same time the better athlete was deprived his chance at all and this athlete had probably a real talent and a big chance to medal, he worked harder, longer and is probably more talented. But he never had a chance. Gubanova comes to mind here too, BTW. And, look, now we are heartbroken and going to leave either Liza or Zhenya behind. I bet we will see a lot of skaters on this Worlds which we probably would survive without. Especially if amazingly talented skaters are left at home. Is it fair? More fair? ;) Every time you see those kind of skaters in Japan during this Worlds just think about Liza (or Zhenya) for a second. [emoji14]

I think the opposite is true, how would a skater from a small Fed such as Yuna even get a chance to become great if only the skaters from countries with lots of facilities get a shot. There's so many amazing skaters from Russia, Japan and the US is partly because of all their amazing facilities available. For example a single suburb in Chicago has more rinks than in the whole of Australia. How would skaters like Brendan Kerry and Kailani Craine ever get opportunities in such an unfair playing field?

Every country with skaters that make the minimums should be allowed one entry. They can have six Russians and six Japanese skaters too, but pushing out the skaters from smaller Feds is not the way. This will make the competition longer and since the ISU won't let this occur, the 3 per country quota has to remain.

Yuna made it because of her talent and her honest hard work. Just like skaters from Russia, Japan and North America. Talent+hard work. They have ice rinks in Korea.

Brendan Kerry and Kailani Craine have a fair playing field - they have ice and they are not forbidden to train. Opportunity is there. Everything is/was in their hands. Besides the world is very global now. There are plenty of opportunities to train almost everywhere in the world. Bigger amount of ice rinks in Chicago is not a factor for unfair advantage for Gracies-Golds of US over Kailanis-Craines of Australia. Key factors for success are still the same: talent, hard work and coaching traditions (methodology/school). Australia's reluctantness to build public sport infrastructure available for their own kids is not a good reason to discriminate Zhenya/Liza in favor of less talented skaters just for "diversity". IOC and sport feds introduced this "diversity" and "inclusivity" thingy in sport just for sponsors to have them advertise their goods to broader public. (oh, yeah, high-fructose corn Coca-Colas). They dont care about athletes and diversity, it is more about money and brand exposure for them to sell more of their Coca-Colas.

Smaller or bigger federation - does not matter. You have a talent and you have a passion about your sport as much as others - train as hard as others. See how hard Japanese and Russian ladies are training. Yuna made it. Javier made it. They had ice and opportunity to train. They showed potential and trained with few elite coaches. We live in the global and very connected world now. For crying out loud Nathan trains with Aratutyan over Skype. There is YouTube with bunch of lessons on every topic possible.

Sorry for harsh words, but this is the reality. It is not only about Australia or particular skaters, but more about fairness and opportunity. By giving opportunity to someone less talented we are stealing opportunity from others more talented (and proly more exciting to watch) This is bad for sport. Hypothetically speaking, we are not going to have Liza or Zhenya just probably because Australia does not like to have public ice rinks for their kids? How is it fair? Just think about it. Do you still want to play a "country X is less supportive to children and has less public sport infrastructure, so we have those athletes prioritized over others (more talented)" card? ;) With all the respects to the X country. For crying out loud "amazing facilities" is literally just a shed with a cooled concrete floor and Zamboni machine service. It is not a presidential palace. Ice rink is regularly $1-2 millions to build, $500k to maintain. Balpark numbers, but somewhere around. Compare how much for instance is spent for navy and other stuff to "project power" or smth. Well, just a quick googling for making my point: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2853171/Inside-Australia-s-biggest-battleship.html - $1.5 bln - 1 expeditionary warship for militaristic hawks or 1000 ice rinks for children to train. Priorities, I guess. Imagine politicians worldwide would stop making those and building sport infrastructure available for free to everyone instead.
 
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