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yes, it is funny.
yes, they are doing.
Evgenia are doing even more. :sad21: Where's the same 'concerns' about her future? nobody cares? Than, that's actually kinda sad.
and...
"is well known" by who?
2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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yes, they are doing.
Evgenia are doing even more. :sad21: Where's the same 'concerns' about her future? nobody cares? Than, that's actually kinda sad.
and...
"is well known" by who?
What shows will Evgenia do during summer?yes, it is funny.
yes, they are doing.
Evgenia are doing even more. :sad21: Where's the same 'concerns' about her future? nobody cares? Than, that's actually kinda sad.
and...
"is well known" by who?
She did during this time, but then again Alina did shows -Eteri' s show and was busy with endorsements/ tv shows. It is not like she allocated this time to train.
The idea is that i would be happy if Alina continues, but her schedule raises some question marks at this moment.
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Japanese ladies figure skating environment is as hard as the russian one, many higly talented ladies fighting for their spots. Maybe it's not just medialized so much, but the competition is on the highest level. Yet japanese ladies do many shows as well.
Alina did shows during last summer as well, even revealed her POTO program, which started first wave of negativity towards this SP, BTW. So when she is planning to do the same this year, it is not the symptom of quitting. Alina will quit when she will announce she's quitting, not when your wishful thinking says.
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Damn, just when I watched the third episode these days, I couldn't stop thinking of the music and the character of Arya for Anna. Deneris is not a physical character - she rides and walks majestically. While Arya fights like a dancer, she dances when he fights and is small, noiseless, swift and dangerous. I thought that Anna would make the perfect Arya assassin. Or Sasha. But Deneris seems off to me. How do you portray her without the dragons and the explanation that she is stormborn, breaker of chains, mother of dragons, etc, etc.... It is a pity they didn't choose Arya.
And the music from episode 3 would be perfect!
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Hi, Madison!
I see you often are sincerely very worried for Alina.
This one of your posts especially highlights how much you really care for Alina (glad it got saved in my DMs lol):
Alina is a victim of the society: coaches, other figure skaters retired or not, sport commentators, other figure skaters' fans. Didnt you know that?
So a) Alina is a victim
You probably don't speak Russian and don't know what happened to her and her family.
I assume I didn't know that Tarasova was actively commenting Olympics and famously said: 'there's no justice in this world' - with regards to Zagitova's victory, as well as 'I want her(Medvedeva) to win'. She was reeeeallly rooting for Medvedeva as much as she could. Even when commenting Zagitova's performance at russian nationals, she kept talking about Medvedeva and how she's better than Zagitova.
Moreover, Zagitova's win prompted her to go all out. Alina's father was invited to a famous show, where Tarasova straight up told him in his face that his daughter did not deserve to win the gold. Numerous comments from Tarasova's friends with the same content were said in the press.
And I am not even talking about the amounts of hate from Medvedeva's fans that poured onto this poor girl on social media.
After that hate-train, it was evident something's going to happen, and it did, she broke down at her first worlds.
As soon as she started to stumble in the first half of this season, she got rough treatment from all that figure skating elite again.
After that unfortunate performance at euros, they even did additional test skates for Zagitova, with the idea of withdrawing her from worlds.
This is the treatment that 16 year old girl had to endure throughout the 2 years of her senior career. Getting blamed for winning, constantly humiliated by Tarasova and her friends.
Alina even said she couldn't be happy for her Olympic gold medal, because she felt like it would be inappropriate.
b) If you're so worried, just so you know, Alina's current content is more than enough to compete with juniors, with 3lz-3lo (that Rika doesn't have), and 3lz-3toe.
Moreover, Alina's marks indicate that when skating clean she can get 82 and 158, which is more than enough to make it into top tier competitively. certainly enough to win over Rika.
Evgenia's last show is in mid-end June. Her schedule before that is pretty packed with shows every other day.
It's clearly not enough to learn the quad sal, she's planning to land.
But moreover, I think you should worry more about Evgenia, than Alina. It makes more sense. She doesn't have a lutz, is already having not a very strong content( similar BV to Sofia's content), weak compared to Alina (who has 2 lutzes and 2 flips). and Evgenia's doing so many shows...
If Evgenia will learn 3f-2t-2lo, instead of 2t-2t that will be quite nice for her. I hope she'll manage to do that in the amount of time she has left.
With content she has now, she's losing to 14 points Alina , I think it's more than worrisome.
Alina has enough time, she can add new elements in 2020-2021 season, this season she is still very competitive.
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I don't really get this. Do you think other skaters eat candies and watch Game of Thrones during training and they magically reach world top level? For example, how many 3A do Rika jump, even during her warm ups?
Traditionally skaters who win Olympics don't win worlds the next year and yet she broke that tradition. Why not the tradition with shows, if there is any. And anyway wasn't there a massive outcry that she needs a time off and rest. So now that she is getting that, there is the opposite outcry?
I totally agree with you, Alina has whole her life to add a new element. Why should she hurry about it?
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Why make conclusions, that she's done with her competitive career then? Why make premature conclusions on her future plans?
She will do as she wishes, if she wants, she can learn new elements before next season, and if she doesn't, she's still a top contender for medals.
She said she wants to compete, and she has it all to be successful next season.
So she's not going anywhere.
I really don't think it matters what character they're supposedly portraying. They're not literally going to rehash exactly what's happening in the show. It's the idea of a strong female character/fighter/leader who overcomes hardships, or however you want to think about it. We'll get some Dany-inspired costume and braided hair, which is certainly a more interesting look than the drab costumes Arya wears.
Frankly I'm sick of the "age appropriate" BS around Sasha's music choices. Unless you're going to skate to an old classical piece, something completely abstract, or something from a kids movie, you can make up a controversy about the majority of dramatic soundtracks/musicals. There's violence or gore or sexual content in most forms of entertainment--that's how they sell tickets. Deciding to skate to some good music doesn't mean you're automatically responsible for every message or connotation of whatever that music was used in.
Anyway, I'm pretty excited for this choice--was literally thinking yesterday how well GoT music would match Sasha's character. With the popularity of the show and how iconic the music has become, it's a great way to make a splash in her debut season.
Where did I say that she will end her career?
All I said it was:
I could see Alina in the Rus Team next season, based on her reputation. Maybe alongside Anna and Sasha.
But is she really motivated to continue? Is she even training right now? We know that all summer long she will have shows, and be in Japan... so, shows and endorsements.
This is not typical for Eteri's skaters, who is known for hard training based on repetition.
PS. i think it would be great if everyone would read (but really READ) the comments before replying to them. It would show respect to what dialogue means.
So, conceptually, it is not very far from her last seasons' programs. I suspect there will be again a number of noticeable music cuts.
Happily they've only selected 2 pieces and they're both gorgeous. Actually, "The Night King" was used on the show only 2 days ago, so they've just made the decision to skate to it yesterday. Perhaps the idea was to skate to GoT all along but when they heard this piece they had to include it. Can't blame them--it's an absolute masterpiece. I'm also glad they're not doing the GoT theme music, which though amazing is too fast paced for most skaters to keep up with. I'm imagining a musical progression similar to Kostornaya's SP this year.
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How about the thee Amazing Aces from Khrustalniy each having different GoT music? Which 'character's' theme music would suit Alyona and Anna best?
And if you add Alina in the mix, what music would you choose for her?
After all, the internal competition between the Khrustalniy skaters is sort of like a Game of Thrones in the literal sense ;-)
And if you add Alina in the mix, what music would you choose for her?
After all, the internal competition between the Khrustalniy skaters is sort of like a Game of Thrones in the literal sense ;-)
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I READ your comments, Madison.
Asking whether is she really motivated to continue was answered to you previously, that YES, she said it herself, she is motivated.
You kept doubting that idea, implying she's not really motivated to continue - which IS = ending her career . So it's really not worth it to downplay your own words now.
You expressed the idea that she doesn't have the content (no 3A, that Rika has), no quads that juniors have, saying she's not learning anything new (afaik, you are not part of their camp to know that for sure).
TO which I said, quite clearly, even if she doesn't learn it this summer, it doesn't mean, she isn't motivated to continue , because she can do it next season.
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I don't understand what some users' deal is with Alina.
Since the time she's won the Olympics till now, people have been repeating ad nauseam, the same few arguments OVER and OVER again. That she's being starved, or abused, or overworked. That she doesn't deserve her medals, that she's just a jumper, her scores are inflated, her jumps are underrotated (even when they're not). Her programs have been not just criticised, but torn to shreds. And the most prominent one, that she's DONE. "She'll never win a medal again", "she needs to retire" or "she should retire", and when she wins medals "she doesn't deserve it". During her break "she's not training hard enough, does she even want to remain competitive?" or "she can't land a quad why doesn't she train it?"
The amount of criticism she's gotten is frankly ridiculous, and extreme to the point of absurdity. It's fine to criticise, and maybe in some universe some of these arguments could be legit, but in all honesty it's too much. People want one thing, but the same people also demand the exact opposite. And even when Alina herself SAYS something, people seem to be deaf and pretend not to hear it and write their own narratives.
Also if one was truly concerned, I really cannot see the point of you repeating your point here. People on Alina's own fanfest have reassured you about the exact same thing after you went there and posted the exact same 'concern' – bringing up interviews where Alina said she means to continue skating, that she's considered leaving the sport in the past, but found that she could not bear to leave it in the end, that many other skaters have had similar show schedules etc. – if you refuse to BELIEVE people when they bring out the facts from the horse's mouth, be it Alina or her team whatever, then I really don't understand your purpose in bringing it up yet again here on this forum. The reigning Olympic/World champion will certainly be fine without your misplaced concern thank you very much.
Since the time she's won the Olympics till now, people have been repeating ad nauseam, the same few arguments OVER and OVER again. That she's being starved, or abused, or overworked. That she doesn't deserve her medals, that she's just a jumper, her scores are inflated, her jumps are underrotated (even when they're not). Her programs have been not just criticised, but torn to shreds. And the most prominent one, that she's DONE. "She'll never win a medal again", "she needs to retire" or "she should retire", and when she wins medals "she doesn't deserve it". During her break "she's not training hard enough, does she even want to remain competitive?" or "she can't land a quad why doesn't she train it?"
The amount of criticism she's gotten is frankly ridiculous, and extreme to the point of absurdity. It's fine to criticise, and maybe in some universe some of these arguments could be legit, but in all honesty it's too much. People want one thing, but the same people also demand the exact opposite. And even when Alina herself SAYS something, people seem to be deaf and pretend not to hear it and write their own narratives.
Also if one was truly concerned, I really cannot see the point of you repeating your point here. People on Alina's own fanfest have reassured you about the exact same thing after you went there and posted the exact same 'concern' – bringing up interviews where Alina said she means to continue skating, that she's considered leaving the sport in the past, but found that she could not bear to leave it in the end, that many other skaters have had similar show schedules etc. – if you refuse to BELIEVE people when they bring out the facts from the horse's mouth, be it Alina or her team whatever, then I really don't understand your purpose in bringing it up yet again here on this forum. The reigning Olympic/World champion will certainly be fine without your misplaced concern thank you very much.
If that actually happened I would truly be concerned that Daniil is out of ideas and mailing it in
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If that actually happened I would truly be concerned that Daniil is out of ideas and mailing it in
True, but it is the skating offseason, GoT is on, so it may be entertaining
So, Sasha is the dragon queen, that's decided by her and her team.
I already said I choose Arya for Anna. Her samurai gala showed that she can be the perfect assassin and a great dancer.
For Alina, I will choose Lady Liana Mormon, with all her quiet dignity, loyalty, and courage that's bigger than herself. (Or Sansa, actually? Went through so many difficulties as a child, but survived to be a dignified queen, stronger than ever.)
For Aliona I will probably pick Cersei, because she is a queen and because villains are difficult to portray artistically. I have a feeling that she'll have more fun doing a villain and a complicated character. Or one of the Dorn snakes, actually, which would require elegant, beautiful moves. Aliona seems to be able to pull off anything.
Outside the Eteri group, Briana for Liza Tuktamysheva! Sheer power and respect there. (or the Night King? she could do that well)
For Evgenia, I would choose Melisandra, because she is fiery, red, dramatic, influential. She is not a straightforward character, people switch between thinking she is good or bad, between loving and hating her, but she has profound and beautiful impact at the end.
Disclaimer: I hope everyone realises that I am doing it just for fun and isn't meant to offend any skater or fan. After all the drama and hate comments lately, maybe some light and superficial discussion will be good for us.
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If that actually happened I would truly be concerned that Daniil is out of ideas and mailing it in
Hahaha, no it's just for fun. If that series has enough music for everyone, what would you choose?
GoT though set in a fantasy world is a series that reflects present day society and life in all its variety and complexity.
I.e. what music portraits the skater's character and personality as perceived by you in your mind best? Music and choreo are completely different things.
I feel embarrassed that the discussions are mostly about my thoughts and opinions than about Alina or other skaters.
But if it has to be this way (to explain every word and every thought), let it be.
After Worlds I was convinced that everything is ok, and she will continue in the same way she did in the previous off season.
But seeing her schedule, knowing the pace in Eteri s camp and the need to learn a quad, I think it is my right to ask questions, to have doubts etc.
She said Yes, just after Worlds. Things might have changed meanwhile, it is a possibilty. Daniil didn t say that they had a direct discussion with her about her future career. Even though you minimalize the need of a quad, I dont think it is a case. She might still win based on PCS but for how long?
Sasha, Anna, Elizabet all have quads now and pretty consistent. Kamilla showed a quad, Usacheva also is learning one.
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True, but it is the skating offseason, GoT is on, so it may be entertaining
So, Sasha is the dragon queen, that's decided by her and her team.
I already said I choose Arya for Anna. Her samurai gala showed that she can be the perfect assassin and a great dancer.
For Alina, I will choose Lady Liana Mormon, with all her quiet dignity, loyalty, and courage that's bigger than herself. (Or Sansa, actually? Went through so many difficulties as a child, but survived to be a dignified queen, stronger than ever.)
For Aliona I will probably pick Cersei, because she is a queen and because villains are difficult to portray artistically. I have a feeling that she'll have more fun doing a villain and a complicated character. Or one of the Dorn snakes, actually, which would require elegant, beautiful moves. Aliona seems to be able to pull off anything.
Outside the Eteri group, Briana for Liza Tuktamysheva! Sheer power and respect there. (or the Night King? she could do that well)
For Evgenia, I would choose Melisandra, because she is fiery, red, dramatic, influential. She is not a straightforward character, people switch between thinking she is good or bad, between loving and hating her, but she has profound and beautiful impact at the end.
Disclaimer: I hope everyone realises that I am doing it just for fun and isn't meant to offend any skater or fan. After all the drama and hate comments lately, maybe some light and superficial discussion will be good for us.
There are now 8 seasons of soundtrack so multiple skaters could skate to different parts and no one except for fans would know the difference
The Daenerys theme throughout the series actually has a lot of more “eastern” influences and can get pretty powerful https://youtu.be/j34Xa6DGi4s
While the stark theme is more melancholy https://youtu.be/8lS7hOAizSA
And the Lannister theme is “cinematic” not really sure how else to describe it. https://youtu.be/rALCyuFdUGk
Little fingers theme: https://youtu.be/k0bp32opLxI
And there are so many others as well. Of course the light of the seven is amazing but tsurskaya used it in the past so it wouldn’t be quite as fresh.
