Why so snide? What I see are people who are supporting Kimmie because they wanted to see her do her best. She was so happy after her short program because it was a personal best. We must be reading different posts. As much as I prefer Yu Na Kim's skating, I don't feel the need to put down Kimmie (or Joannie, or any of the others who didn't shine).
Ladies - Free Program
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Why so snide? What I see are people who are supporting Kimmie because they wanted to see her do her best. She was so happy after her short program because it was a personal best. We must be reading different posts. As much as I prefer Yu Na Kim's skating, I don't feel the need to put down Kimmie (or Joannie, or any of the others who didn't shine).
Nicely put!
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After thinkng about it. This season has been a constant shift between Mao, Miki, and Yu Na
Mao won NHK and Japanese Nationals
Miki won Skate America and Worlds Championship
Yu Na won Trophee Eric Bompard and Grand Prix Final
They are tied up in my eye. Can't wait til next season. Americans are comming back. You'll see.
Mao won NHK and Japanese Nationals
Miki won Skate America and Worlds Championship
Yu Na won Trophee Eric Bompard and Grand Prix Final
They are tied up in my eye. Can't wait til next season. Americans are comming back. You'll see.
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My $0.02 on the ladies LP:
First of all, congratulations to both Mao and Miki for skating so well under such tremendous pressure!
I got a kick out of how so many people in the front rows were literally bobbing up and down in their seats during the last minute or so of Mao's LP. It was probably the first time I watched the audience as much as the skater.
I'm also happy for Yu-Na Kim. Although I'm sure she wishes she could have skated her LP cleaner, she should be very proud of herself nonetheless. Is this the first time a Korean skater has ever won a Worlds medal? It was hard for me to believe this was the first time she and Mao have competed at Senior Worlds; they've both been around so long already and are both skating like veterans.
I'm disappointed that Carolina couldn't skate her LP as well as her SP. I really liked her program and wish she could have skated it cleaner.
I'm also disappointed CBC chacked Alissa. I was really rooting for her to do well and I'm glad she was able to redeem herself after what sounded like a disappointing SP for her.
Speaking of skaters who redeemed themselves, I'm also proud of Joannie for coming back strong in the LP yet again, placing fifth in that portion of the event among a very strong field, and placing high enough overall for Canada to send two women to next year's Worlds. But as I said in a couple of other threads, Joannie really needs to skate both her programs cleanly if she wants to be in medal contention.
As for Mira, this was the first time I actually saw her look scared/nervous just before skating her LP. Sadly, when Mira misses her jumps--and I can't remember the last time she missed so many jumps--she doesn't have a lot else to fall back on and I hope this Worlds will be the wakeup call she needs to finally start seriously improving her skating technique and artistry.
All and all, an exciting event!
First of all, congratulations to both Mao and Miki for skating so well under such tremendous pressure!
I got a kick out of how so many people in the front rows were literally bobbing up and down in their seats during the last minute or so of Mao's LP. It was probably the first time I watched the audience as much as the skater. I'm also happy for Yu-Na Kim. Although I'm sure she wishes she could have skated her LP cleaner, she should be very proud of herself nonetheless. Is this the first time a Korean skater has ever won a Worlds medal? It was hard for me to believe this was the first time she and Mao have competed at Senior Worlds; they've both been around so long already and are both skating like veterans.
I'm disappointed that Carolina couldn't skate her LP as well as her SP. I really liked her program and wish she could have skated it cleaner.
I'm also disappointed CBC chacked Alissa. I was really rooting for her to do well and I'm glad she was able to redeem herself after what sounded like a disappointing SP for her.
Speaking of skaters who redeemed themselves, I'm also proud of Joannie for coming back strong in the LP yet again, placing fifth in that portion of the event among a very strong field, and placing high enough overall for Canada to send two women to next year's Worlds. But as I said in a couple of other threads, Joannie really needs to skate both her programs cleanly if she wants to be in medal contention.
As for Mira, this was the first time I actually saw her look scared/nervous just before skating her LP. Sadly, when Mira misses her jumps--and I can't remember the last time she missed so many jumps--she doesn't have a lot else to fall back on and I hope this Worlds will be the wakeup call she needs to finally start seriously improving her skating technique and artistry.
All and all, an exciting event!
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Good luck with that one. She is, like, the queen of South Korea. I had a Korean student last semester who, when I asked if he knew of her, put his hand over his heart and exclaimed, "You know Kim Yu Na - I love Kim Yu Na! She is our hero!" They also knew her in the Korean greenmarket where I shopped. I stopped asking because I got the message - they ALL know her. And she's still only 16!If I were the CEO of Skate Canada, I would try everything possible to persuade Yu-Na Kim to become a Canadian citizen. She'll be training in Canada anyway.
Mira is not a great skater, but all the other Sr. and Jr. ladies are even worse. They can't even do hard jumps.
I suppose at some point she may want to escape to a society where she can be anonymous....
Not likely to happen. She thinks she skated great and it's the judge's fault for not marking her higher. :scratch:
If I were the CEO of Skate Canada, I would try everything possible to persuade Yu-Na Kim to become a Canadian citizen. She'll be training in Canada anyway.
Mira is not a great skater, but all the other Sr. and Jr. ladies are even worse. They can't even do hard jumps.
I agree with you that all the other Junior ladies (and most of the Seniors) are worse. That is the problem! And the question. Why? Why isn't Skate Canada demanding more from their novice and junior level skaters? The bar needs to be set higher! We have talent coming up in the men (Patrick Chan). We have Dube and Davison and Virtue and Moir. Skate Canada needs to tell the skaters that unless they perform to a certain standard in international competitions then the funding will decrease. They need to change their system. No longer can they determine who is best based on top five finish at Nationals. They need to rely on results in the Junior Grand Prix and the Senior GP.
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My two cents. Yay Miki, yay Mao! Felt a little bit bad for Yu-na, but then again, how many people make the podium on their first trip to words at 16?
Meissner did OK, hit most of her elements, got third in the free and fourth overall. She should look at it this way -- she still has more senior ladies' world championships than Asada, Kim, Kostner, Zhang and Nagasu put together, so how do you like them apples?
Meissner did OK, hit most of her elements, got third in the free and fourth overall. She should look at it this way -- she still has more senior ladies' world championships than Asada, Kim, Kostner, Zhang and Nagasu put together, so how do you like them apples?
I still believe the training philosophy of Canadian coaches is flawed and outdated. They always focus on artistry, basic skating skills first at early age. Jumps and consistency are AWOL, they think jumps can come later based on outdated textbooks. Most Canadian skaters have good basics, and their choreography is excellent, but they do not have consistent jumps to build on. On the contrary, Japanese, Korean, or even Chinese pairs, they do difficult stuff first and consistently, it just works perpect for them to improve their artistry by working with Canada's excellent choreographers.
If you read Joannie's interview, she's almost like dear in the headlight. She said in her early days, they were taught how to do good spins, spirals etc, but now everything is about 3+3. Joannie needs to find a good technical coach, not some fancy choreographer or music. When she can do two back-to-back clean programs on international scene, she'll get the respect and move forward. Otherwise, she's going nowhere and time is running out.
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I agree with everything you said. :agree: Skaters should learn hard jumps at an earlier age, so that they are practicing them for years. Yes, there's more risk of injuries, but that's the nature of sport.
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Speaking of judge number six, yeah, sign him up for the Maota quick! 
He gave Mao a total of twenty! GOE points (gotta check those corridores, LOL).
He gave her +3 on her triple Axel (four of the judges gave her -2) and +3 on her 3F/3Lo (six of the judges gave her 0).
He gave Mao a total of twenty! GOE points (gotta check those corridores, LOL).He gave her +3 on her triple Axel (four of the judges gave her -2) and +3 on her 3F/3Lo (six of the judges gave her 0).
what's the name of Lesley's coach? i actually think he's a perfect fit for Joannie.
Look at Lesley, her jumps are so flawed since she learned them very late. But amazingly, I mean, I can't believe she managed to land all those shaky jumps at Nationals, and even 4cc's LP. Her coach did wonder for Lewley. I am imagining if Joannie is under his wings, she might be a super consistent jumper. Joannie has good jump technique, she just needs the right push from an experienced technical coach to get it super consistent.
Lesley recently switched to Richard Callaghan in the States - Tara Lipinski's old coach. He did wonders with her. This is who people have been saying Mira should go to because he doesn't put up with BS -and he dealt with Tara's mom!
Not sure who can save Mira, but I'm pretty sure Joannie needs a good technical coach. I mean Joannie has style, artistry, but without consistency, she will never get the respect from international judges.
I really hope she will have a coach change after this season instead of focusing on choosing a new short program which she seems to believe is the key for her next season's success.
It seems to me that both Mira and Joanne are completely shocked by their results. Something obviously has to change.
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He can definitely deal with Mama Leung. Mama Lipinski was turned away by Doug Leigh, whom I've always thought of as a tough coach cos she was too tough! Then, when Richard Callaghan took over, Mama Lipinski basically just took to watching practices.
Really? I didn't know that Tara's mom came to Doug! Before they went to Richard? And he said no? Did Tara try out in Barrie?
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Congrats to Miki on a great comeback from that absolutely dreadful Olympic performance. Just the magnitude of that comeback must be some kind of record. Tara was 15th at '96 Worlds and won Worlds in '97 - these are the two greatest comebacks from one year to the next that I can recall.
I think we saw here that the New Young Hottie isn't always quite as "hot" as the hype says she is. Oksana and Tara both did better by age 16 than Mao or Yu-Na, but the rules gave O & T an earlier start in the Senior ranks, and that says a lot IMO for dropping the lower age limit altogether. I did not see any particularly "head and shoulders" margin between Kimmie and Mao.
In fact, I think Kimmie should have attempted the 3A, it was the ideal situation to try it. I think coach Gregory held her back from that - I'd bet the farm that Kimmie was going to go for it if Gregory had let her.
I'm a little disappointed for Kimmie, but I don't feel that what happened here seals the deal that she won't win another World title.
I think we saw here that the New Young Hottie isn't always quite as "hot" as the hype says she is. Oksana and Tara both did better by age 16 than Mao or Yu-Na, but the rules gave O & T an earlier start in the Senior ranks, and that says a lot IMO for dropping the lower age limit altogether. I did not see any particularly "head and shoulders" margin between Kimmie and Mao.
In fact, I think Kimmie should have attempted the 3A, it was the ideal situation to try it. I think coach Gregory held her back from that - I'd bet the farm that Kimmie was going to go for it if Gregory had let her.
I'm a little disappointed for Kimmie, but I don't feel that what happened here seals the deal that she won't win another World title.
The skill level has become tougher than ever. Oksana and Tara are 1 level below the top current skater today. There is no hype, just the fact. Take a closet look at the Junior World and Junior Grand Prix this year before drawing your conclusion about O and T. Age is one thing, talent is an another. Be fair.
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I wonder in the US should we change the way skaters are selected to compete at the GP & World events? Should we have a committee test competition readiness? I feel for the GP especially something needs to be done. For the US girls nobody looked ready for the international season. Should we start prepping skaters like Flatt & Wagner over the current group of US lades? Maybe there should be some rules changes for the new senior to compete in the GP events if they show promise. I know they could bomb as well, but I would be willing to give them a shot. The current group just can't get the job done.
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