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I was thinking the same.
Maybe it wasn’t her actual content, but she was trying to check what she’s capable of.
Or maybe she‘ll change her lutz.
But I would’ve left out one 3A if she can do 2 quads, and repeat the lutzes.
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I was thinking the same.
Maybe it wasn’t her actual content, but she was trying to check what she’s capable of.
Or maybe she‘ll change her lutz.
But I would’ve left out one 3A if she can do 2 quads, and repeat the lutzes.
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Pooja so low is really sad to see. Hope she can rebound in the sp and fs. Nice to see Hanna with a score like that, not bad at all. :thumbsup:
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You can tell how much Alysa’s jumps have improved based on the last 3A+2T as it has more distance, height, and does not look so wonky. However, Alysa still needs MORE speed and power going into her jumps. Of course consistency will be a problem when your program consists of repeating a 3A, 4Lz, and 3Lz. Can someone check the rotations of the first and last 3A? Were they under?
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Very sad for Pooja's low score. Hanna seems impressive.
Worried about Alysa's health. Those 4Lz look almost painful. On top of that, 4Lz looks super UR, too. I'm not sure going for 2 in the LP is a good idea on the JGP. She'll need clean performances to make a name for herself on the JGP.
Worried about Alysa's health. Those 4Lz look almost painful. On top of that, 4Lz looks super UR, too. I'm not sure going for 2 in the LP is a good idea on the JGP. She'll need clean performances to make a name for herself on the JGP.
I’d say the first was < and the second was <<. It’s about the same issue that her 3As were having about last her around this time. After several competitions she eventually improved both the landing and rotation.
A 4Lz< has a BV of 9.6 even after the negative GOE, it will still be a lot bigger than a 2A. I’d add only one 4Lz, until they become more consistent.
Also, the altitude is horrible there. It’s hard to know how good her jumps really are in Colorado Springs. That altitude monster is so bad I’m pretty close to naming it. Almost everyone sucks during this competition because it’s so bad. If she goes to Glacier Falls, hopefully someone does a nice video so we can see her jumps closer to sea level.
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I applaud Alysa's gutsy quality, but those quads are both under (the second being super under) and have hip injury written all over them. She has had hip injuries in the past. I question the choice on her coach's part to put in both the 3A and two 4Lzs, as they are all somewhat precarious. I understand it's at altitude and she's experimenting at a club competition, but to maintain her health as she grows this doesn't seem like a solid strategy.
The quads here make Anna Scherbakova's look breezy, and she is the quad girl I've been most concerned about in the past given her size. I wish Alysa luck in staying healthy, it's just not a great sign to have an athlete with prior hip injuries at 13 doing super difficult jumps with that little speed. The low speed could make her less likely to fall, but it means she is more likely to underrotate and drill into the ice resulting in the painful look.
Sad to see Pooja so low, but she has been inconsistent in the past. Hopefully as the season goes she'll improve. Excited to see protocols for all the girls, especially Hanna.
The quads here make Anna Scherbakova's look breezy, and she is the quad girl I've been most concerned about in the past given her size. I wish Alysa luck in staying healthy, it's just not a great sign to have an athlete with prior hip injuries at 13 doing super difficult jumps with that little speed. The low speed could make her less likely to fall, but it means she is more likely to underrotate and drill into the ice resulting in the painful look.
Sad to see Pooja so low, but she has been inconsistent in the past. Hopefully as the season goes she'll improve. Excited to see protocols for all the girls, especially Hanna.
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I totally forgot about the altitude! I was wondering why everyone was falling left and right on jumps they could do in their sleep. Someone please teach Alysa to get more speed going into her jumps before it’s too late because she has the rotational speed to land those jumps cleanly... it’s just a matter of height and distance. Alysa is also resorting to her weird mule kick when going for the 4Lz, so hopefully she can fix that because she fixed it for her other jumps except the 4Lz.
People usually fall left & right during early summer club competitions. It often takes a while to put the jumps into new programs.
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Oh my... I hope it was just the altitude because watching this I see a very slow skater with 'junior' jumps (little speed, little height, little distance, whippy). The music does not help a slow skater like her, it just becomes prodding. I was actually thinking she's skating like a 13 y/o Caroline Zhang, beautiful spins and positions but so slowwww. I'd rather see less 4lutzes and 3axels and more speed and power. That will help her more now and in the long run. IMHO.
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I would say it depends on what Alysa and her parents want. What's their goal?
Their goal might be going and medalling/winning the next Olympics and retiring after that, going to university and having a nice life.
If that's what they want, then her hips should be alright until then, and she would get all that she wants.
Not everyone wants to compete in their 20s, I would say a few years competing are hard not physically, but emotionally as well.
The stress, the pressure, the media, it all gets you, at certain point people want to back out.
So if they want to win now, who can blame them? Not everyone is born to be Kostner or Savchenko, those women wanted to compete and had their own goals =)
I bet if Alysa wanted to compete in her 30s, she would've taken a different route, but my guess would be, that she doesn't. =)
And I also wouldn't predict any injuries as a result of quads or 3A, those things may or may not happen, you never know what are the reasons.
Yes, quads and 3A are difficult and more dangerous, but each body is different, so it very well may be, that hers is handling those well.
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She's just learning these jumps. There's no reason to be hanging on with this type of technique for nearly three years. She has the time - why not learn it sustainably? I wonder what her off-ice training consists of.
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Perhaps, but Tara Lipinski still mentions the pain that she feels as a result of her hip surgeries in her podcast with Johnny. She won the Olympics - great. But at what cost? And just like there are no guarantees that she will get injured, there are no guarantees that she won't, or that she will medal at the Olympics. And she has already had multiple hip injuries at 13.
All I'm saying is she has time, and that I wish her team would pace her more. Even Eteri's girls with their billion quads took it slow with adding content, and even still we saw Sasha take some scary falls at the GPF. Imagine what that could do to a previously injured hip which will never fully recover under the strain of competitive skating, let alone multiple quads.
Sheesh. Ease up a little people. It's the first big summer competition of the season. Jason used to skate his programs at the Broadmoor without a single triple jump. We could try to dig up Nathan's disastrous LP from the Japan Open last season if we need perspective on what a debut competitive skate can look like. (One negative aspect of not having a livestream is that you don't get any real perspective from seeing how much of a hot mess everyone is; and people do not look that great on phone footage even when they are).
I'm blown away by what Alysa attempted here. Good for her. Does she have issues with URs? Yes, she does. I think it would be wise for us, heading into her first JGP season, to keep that in mind and have perspective. But she's come a long long way and mastered a lot of clean triples since I first saw her three years ago.
I'm blown away by what Alysa attempted here. Good for her. Does she have issues with URs? Yes, she does. I think it would be wise for us, heading into her first JGP season, to keep that in mind and have perspective. But she's come a long long way and mastered a lot of clean triples since I first saw her three years ago.
She has always had difficulty with back and front crossovers. She can do everything else, but her back crossovers remind me of a kid in group lessons. Last year her program was crafted with transitions galore, so you didn't notice her one glaring shortcoming. Genius on the part of the coaches involved. As far as this event, I think is pretty much just for fun, I doubt anyone cares about the results, falls or rules violations. Sort of a 'rough draft' for the summer.
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It's a tough dilemma. I think Alyssa puts herself at risk for serious injuries training quads. However, it's clear that she can (almost) do them, and they are the only way for her to catch up to the young Russian women. So I think it's hard for her to give up training jumps that she is capable of, and that she needs to compete, just for her safety.
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The problem is that Alysa is 13 years old and doesn't know what she wants to do with her life (even if she thinks she does). And the length of her athletic career shouldn't be her parents' decision, either.
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What she wants? She wants to win. I think it’s quite ludicrous to look down on children and their motives when Alysa has stated time and time again that she wants that Olympic gold and to be world champion someday. Plus, she said she was the one who asked for the 3A and quads, her coach never pushed her. Her dad may have had a say, but give me one example of a parent that didn’t try to push their kids to try and help them achieve their dream. If I told you guys my age and what I want to become, I’m sure they would not correlate according to some of the logic used by certain individuals.
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It's fine to want to win. But you can't win with a broken body and/or skating that slow with those weak skating skills.
Wanting to win as quickly as possible and quit (like nusscracker suggested) is an extremely limited and short-term goal and doesn't account for the fact that sometimes it takes a long time to win, but you won't be able to be around for a long time to win if you're driven out of the sport with injuries.
