2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Amei]

Yeah, and the owner of that little rotten channel just put those clips up to discredit, slander and attack.

Where did the owner of the channel discredit, slander or attack her? You make it sound like they doctored the video, all they did was re-post a video that she made for all the world to see. She's what 12-14 years old - we all did stupid and nasty things at that age, we just had the benefit of not being that age in an era when you post everything you do and say online; hopefully she grows out of it like most of us did, and has the good character to apologize to the person she made fun of in the video.

 

[flanker]

Alysa finished way ahead of her veteran competition. of course she's a work in progress but she's so tiny and light that her ability to spin three and four times should be perfected in the next couple years. Unless puberty hits hard. but she may end up even smaller than Alena and that will always be a benefit when it comes to doing the most difficult jumps.

I also wonder if the international judges don't want to see complete Russian domination in the Juniors again after what 3A did the last couple years. Alysa maybe pushed as the real threat to the Russian girls.

Alysa vs Kamila will be awesome to see.

One advantage the Russian girls have is the competition being so incredible on all levels of Russian ladies skating.

3A were on podiums on Russian nationals, yet it required Alina to make mistakes in her FP, if clean, she would have won no doubt. Alina was also second behind Sofia on Europeans, yet Alina is much stronger than Sofia. So just one victory for Alysa on US nationals, which, with all respect, is not full of talents as the russian competitions, even the junior, are, does not prove that she would beat russian girls on international competitions. We will see, it is not so far now. Definitely it will be a challenge at Lake Placid for russian girls, but I think that both Nastya and Ksysha have their chances.

 

[Canadianskatingfan]

what pcs would you give Kamila and Alysa?

I’d give Kamila low 8s and Alysa mid 6s

 

[Scott512]

I do not think we will see a rotated quad from Alysa on the JGP (maybe by Nationals/Junior Worlds). Her 3As seem pretty solid, but all of her triples are at risk of UR calls.

Alysa beat Bradie and Mariah at Nationals only because Bradie and Mariah made big errors. Even with her tech advantage, she would have lost to one or both if they had been clean.

We’ll see. But I think the Russian ladies only need to focus on going clean, and hope that the judges aren’t too generous with Alysa. I think her biggest advantage is that she is the only one the US will be pushing. Whereas the Russian ladies all have to fight it out for top (junior tier) PCS. Judges aren’t going to give all of the Russian ladies top PCS. Kamila for sure, and maybe Kanysheva because she won a JGPF medal last year. But some of the other ladies won’t get the top PCS. It will depend on consistency and politics.

She beat them failry easily. It was not close from what I recall watching in awe a 13 year old girl landing multiple triple axels cleanly. Tara was so exited for her. Me too. I dont think she will flinch against the top Russian junior girls. But we shall see.

3A were on podiums on Russian nationals, yet it required Alina to make mistakes in her FP, if clean, she would have won no doubt. Alina was also second behind Sofia on Europeans, yet Alina is much stronger than Sofia. So just one victory for Alysa on US nationals, which, with all respect, is not full of talents as the russian competitions, even the junior, are, does not prove that she would beat russian girls on international competitions. We will see, it is not so far now. Definitely it will be a challenge at Lake Placid for russian girls, but I think that both Nastya and Ksysha have their chances.

Sure Alysa trains with much lesser talents than the Russian girls. Lake Placid will be a very exciting junior event. Awesome. They will be playing Miracle on Ice videos from 1980 for the Russian girls. Although the Russinas will probabaly not even know what that is or was. LOL. I wish I still lived in New York I would go to that.

 

[SkateSkates]

Now that the test skates are over, I wonder if we will see any shifting in the JGP assignments. I am also hoping we will hear from Davydov on the state of Tarusina and Vasilieva. Tarusina is currently the only sub for JGP USA - will she even be recovered by then? Why didn’t RusFed assign more alternates? visa issues? Let’s say something happens and one of Sinitsyna or Tarakanova needs to withdraw, then Russia loses a spot if Anna isn’t ready either. I don’t understand this strategy. And what happens if neither Vika or Anna recover in time for JGP - only 7 girls performed here and there are 15 spots. They will have to look at Cup of SPB and Moscow Open I guess to fill additional spots. 12 skaters were invited last year, but this year only 9. Strange.

 

[andromache]

what pcs would you give Kamila and Alysa?

To simplify it:

Kamila - high 8s in skating skills/transitions, low-mid 7s in the performance-related categories

Alysa - 5 in skating skills, 6ish in transitions, low-mid 7s in the performance-related categories (but I haven’t seen her new programs other than as fan-cams)

 

[ec00834]

To simplify it:

Kamila - high 8s in skating skills/transitions, low-mid 7s in the performance-related categories

Alysa - 5 in skating skills, 6ish in transitions, low-mid 7s in the performance-related categories (but I haven’t seen her new programs other than as fan-cams)

I agree with everything except I would give Kamila high 7s in the performance-related categories.

 

[cohen-esque]

what pcs would you give Kamila and Alysa?

My own quick guesstimate from what I remember seeing without actually rewatching (so, you, know, take it with the whole shaker):
Kamila ~8.25, 8.75, 7.50, 7.00, 7.50
Liu ~6.25, 6.50, 7.50, 6.75, 7.25

With the specific increments being based on the distance between “above average, good, very good” etc. Handily a win for Kamila in PCS from me, but if that scoresheet is accurate it looks like her planned BV is almost 20 points lower. And I expect Liu to earn higher scores than this.

 

[Bluediamonds09]

I’m still bummed that Safonova wasn’t invited to the test skates. Any word on what she’s up to?

 

[SkateSkates]

I’m still bummed that Safonova wasn’t invited to the test skates. Any word on what she’s up to?

I’m wondering with Anna and Vika injured if rus fed will finally stop overlooking her and put her on the sub list for the next JGP. I assume she will compete at the Moscow Open. I wonder if she will do cup events on the MS or KMS level to try to qualify for senior nats since she’s now 16. She deserves a shot at some international assignments based on her performances last season.

 

[Ziotic]

My own quick guesstimate from what I remember seeing without actually rewatching (so, you, know, take it with the whole shaker):
Kamila ~8.25, 8.75, 7.50, 7.00, 7.50
Liu ~6.25, 6.50, 7.50, 6.75, 7.25

With the specific increments being based on the distance between “above average, good, very good” etc. Handily a win for Kamila in PCS from me, but if that scoresheet is accurate it looks like her planned BV is almost 20 points lower. And I expect Liu to earn higher scores than this.

It’s like people seem to forgot that ISU doesn’t like one person/team/country dominating and take the opportunity to push competitors when possible.

Regardless of what Kamila/Alyssa actually deserve for PCS I can’t imagine there being much separation if both are clean.

Maybe I will be proven wrong, but I’m doubtful.

 

[andromache]

It’s like people seem to forgot that ISU doesn’t like one person/team/country dominating and take the opportunity to push competitors when possible.

Regardless of what Kamila/Alyssa actually deserve for PCS I can’t imagine there being much separation if both are clean.

Maybe I will be proven wrong, but I’m doubtful.

I agree, but the extremely vast difference between their skating skills seems more than can be made up for by politicking. At least I hope so. But we'll see. As far as early summer outings go, I put Kamila far ahead of Alysa. But Alysa looked better at US Nationals than she has this summer. So who knows?

 

[theharleyquinn]

Kamila's jumps look much improved and great quad, elegant and lovely extensions as always. But she definitely needs to think about the music more in the second part, she looked a bit rushed / disconnected and it's emotional music. Hopefully her performance develops throughout the season - that's the only thing keeping me from liking her more, lovely interpretation of calm music, but weak interpretation of powerful music. However, she's still only young

I don't think it's completely her fault. I liked the choreography in the first part but it seems like she's just skating through the big moments in the second half. Hopefully those parts get tweaked because I felt like the program was building up to something. I agree with you, though. She does incredibly well with calm music, which is actually not easy to do.

 

[doublequad]

Valieva has a nice quad toe. Much harder to have 'bad' technique on a 4T, than say a *hem* super PR lutz.

 

[SkateSkates]

Re: PCS - the JGPF will be the best place to judge this, as it is the first time all the top girls will be against each other and all at a high level. The judges will differentiate between kamila and Alysa then. I wouldn’t be surprised if they receive wonky PCS in their JGP events - the competitions have such varying skill levels that anyone near the top level is going to look amazing if they skate after someone who can barely do a double sal.

 

[katymay]

She’s pretty tall, she’s the tallest of the girls right now
https://www.instagram.com/p/BuZCeHInlet/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

On that subject, Kamila was asked a few questions by an interviewer (it's on twitter, under the figureskating.ru acct)-and she said she weighs 77 pounds. (she gave it in Kgs). I guess it took me by surprise how tiny she is. While I don't think her 4T is higher than Trusova's-it did seem to be more effortless, perhaps because....she is only 77 pounds. It also surprised me that the interviewer asked her how much she weighed. (And also her height, which I think was almost 5' -I forgot the exact cm.)

 

[SkateSkates]

On that subject, Kamila was asked a few questions by an interviewer (it's on twitter, under the figureskating.ru acct)-and she said she weighs 77 pounds. (she gave it in Kgs). I guess it took me by surprise how tiny she is. While I don't think her 4T is higher than Trusova's-it did seem to be more effortless, perhaps because....she is only 77 pounds. It also surprised me that the interviewer asked her how much she weighed. (And also her height, which I think was almost 5' -I forgot the exact cm.)

150cm = 4 foot 11 inches if my conversion is right. She is definitely very tiny.

 

[tempo]

Media reports of junior test skates:

https://sport24.ru/news/other/2019-...akh-v-novogorske---video-vystupleniy-intervyu

https://sport24.ru/photo/other/2019...-mishin-luchshiye-foto-s-yuniorskikh-prokatov

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXPUA-68fQI

 

[flanker]

Now that the test skates are over, I wonder if we will see any shifting in the JGP assignments. I am also hoping we will hear from Davydov on the state of Tarusina and Vasilieva. Tarusina is currently the only sub for JGP USA - will she even be recovered by then? Why didn’t RusFed assign more alternates? visa issues? Let’s say something happens and one of Sinitsyna or Tarakanova needs to withdraw, then Russia loses a spot if Anna isn’t ready either. I don’t understand this strategy. And what happens if neither Vika or Anna recover in time for JGP - only 7 girls performed here and there are 15 spots. They will have to look at Cup of SPB and Moscow Open I guess to fill additional spots. 12 skaters were invited last year, but this year only 9. Strange.

It can be again reminded the story of Aliona Kostornaia, who wasn't invited to test skates in 2017 and got her spot in the last moment after her performance at the Cup of Moscow. I doubt Russians would let pass out the entry uselessly.

 

[SnowWhite]

Re: PCS - the JGPF will be the best place to judge this, as it is the first time all the top girls will be against each other and all at a high level. The judges will differentiate between kamila and Alysa then. I wouldn’t be surprised if they receive wonky PCS in their JGP events - the competitions have such varying skill levels that anyone near the top level is going to look amazing if they skate after someone who can barely do a double sal.

Yeah, I agree. I think at the JGPF, when they skate essentially back to back, it'll be clear what the difference is. I like Alysa, but the quality of Kamila's skating (+transitions, spins, etc) is certainly much higher right now.