2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Scott512]

TSL is honestly, desperate for a scandal. I don't understand how they can call themselves skating fans and then whine about how nothing is like it was in the back in the 6.0 days. Like, get over it already, people. Michelle Kwan retired 13 years ago [emoji849]

Like you said maybe they prefer the old days when Michelle was in her heyday. But those days are gone forever. Hopefully TSL will learn to enjoy this Russian ladies dynasty going on and seniors and juniors.

 

[katymay]

Kamila (apparently asked why she's sad/disappointed):
well, I could've skater better, that's why
(in the changing room)
The last one(spin) yeah, it was okay, but the other two, especially the first one... I didn't do it at all.
It's just I skate normally on practices, and here I got nervous.
It gets easier for me only by the end of the season, by the end of the season I (do it) calmly

my note: this kid is so "Tutberidze" already, they all comment such minor things sometimes in nearly perfect routines. I didn't notice her spins were bad (were they?), but everyone from that team is such a perfectionist, so to her it will count as "I didn't do them at all".
And I hope she'll be able to fight her nervousness, but even being nervous she still delivered 2 amazing performances.

BTW, you can see Kamila walking beside her mom, and she's like... only 1 head above Kamila who's 150cm (4'11), I would suppose 160-165 tops?
But we haven't seen her dad yet

Daria:
Jumps were clean, but stsq.. my twizzles were bad - on a straight leg and stiff,
I need (to do them) more softly, a little more relaxed, I was a little tense on the stsq. But aside from that - it's good.

Ksenia:
All's good. I wasn't really nervous, since it's only the beginning of the season and I will keep on working on my programs.

Viktoria:
Not good. My leg started aching yesterday and we didn't manage to ice it before the event. So now..

Nastia:
The short was good. We also have tomorrow.
I got a little bit sick before my skate, so I'm not in a perfect shape, I could've been in.
So I was very worried because of that.

Alyona:
I feel like I didn't skate as relaxed/free as I can during practices.
I think, let's say, I always had these problems, I can always get tense/tense up.
And because I tense up, I get tired easily because of this tension, and I need to do something about it.

Thank you! I love Kamila's sweet little voice. I just want to hug her.

 

[katymay]

TSL's criticism was always very adressed towards both teams and skaters themselves, the example about Alina's name should tell you that their impudence knows no limits.

As for individuality of the programs - well, I will make some blasphemy here. I am willing to admit that some of the Daniiil's choreos are not as unique as the others, which, in the amount of work is quite understandable for me, as he is one man and has to make some 50 choreos per season.

On the other hand, when I looked at the programs of japanese ladies of the last season, I read the names that are frequently repeated by some fans that they should do choreos for russian and esp. Eteri's girls: Benoît Richaud, Tom Dickson, Shae-Lynn Bourne, David Wilson. Despite several names, those are the programs that looks like done by one person to me, by one matrix with the similar music choices, at least most of them. I'm not saying they are bad, I'm just saying that if Daniil is repeatedly attacked for repeating some schemes, I see that those numerous choreographers do the same, during 2018/2019 season with e. g. Rika and Kaori it was all the same look I'm privately calling "ode to a cherry blossom that came into flower in my secret garden during moonlit night".

I agree about using more varied choreographers. However, too often TSL is catty and critical of the skaters themselves, they don't just limit their criticism to the "adults". But, people tune into their analysis for the Catty. It is their bread and butter. I hope some day they post some videos of their own skating, and invite their fans to 'critique' it.

 

[Scott512]

I agree about using more varied choreographers. However, too often TSL is catty and critical of the skaters themselves, they don't just limit their criticism to the "adults". But, people tune into their analysis for the Catty. It is their bread and butter. I hope some day they post some videos of their own skating, and invite their fans to 'critique' it.

That's a great idea Katy of TSL showing their skating videos so we can critique them. But pretty sure they won't take you up on your idea.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

That's a great idea Katy of TSL showing their skating videos so we can critique them. But pretty sure they won't take you up on your idea.

Dave has uploaded videos of his skating on the TSL channel many years ago (they are still there) when he was still skating as an adult skater and has often recently invited people to watch them and to judge how he did on their TSL videos. Love when you guys here just claim things without actually checking the facts

 

[nussnacker]

Many posters in this thread have written much more horrible and disrespectful things about other skaters than TSL have ever uttered. So I don't get this fake outcry at two skating fans that just like to gossip with their viewers about skating, at least the guys from TSL don't take themselves seriously, unlike many posters here.

I don't know, was anyone here fatshaming skaters, discussing sexuality of a father of a skater or appearances of them, who's prettier than whom, who as a skater will never be interesting, who's unimportant, who's done cosmetic surgery?
But that's all just good ol gossiping of two skating fans

And you know, sure, there are insults that are much worse than what they say, they exist. Some of the commenters on YT, IG, twiitter are sometimes saying things I feel disgusted even reading.
But does that fact excuse them somehow? That's a rhetorical question.
„There are people that are worse“ ... there’s something REALLY wrong, if that’s someone’s excuse.

 

[halulupu]

Like you said maybe they prefer the old days when Michelle was in her heyday. But those days are gone forever. Hopefully TSL will learn to enjoy this Russian ladies dynasty going on and seniors and juniors. [emoji41]

Haha kwan could barely do a 3t3t. And they think that sandra basic (or besic?) is the best choreographer ever. I mean her best work was tara lipinski [emoji87] And they love to talk with john inman, one of the judges who handed sarah hughes the olympic gold medal and snubbed slutskaja. However at least they are disgusting to everyone basically

 

[Sugar Coated]

Disgusting comment. I think this is one reason why so many russian girls like competing in Japan or Europe, but NOT in the USA.

TSL does NOT represent all of the USA. I enjoy their commentary, but Dave is definitely catty and loves drama. Which I also enjoy at times but don’t appreciate this particular criticism attached to a video of a 13-year-old who may view this as negativity toward her.

Also, Dave is not really official media. He sort of a self appointed expert. Which I think is frustrating for me since he never participated in skating at a high level. I really respect a lot of his commentary but at times he definitely needs more humility about parts of skating and athletics he just would never be able to understand since he was never a high level athlete. I really don’t think it’s fair to criticize programs designed to win. Why would you change a winning strategy? So what if programs look the same if they are allowing the athletes to score top scores.

 

[Jontor]

TSL is honestly, desperate for a scandal. I don't understand how they can call themselves skating fans and then whine about how nothing is like it was in the back in the 6.0 days. Like, get over it already, people. Michelle Kwan retired 13 years ago [emoji849]

TSL - The Scandal Lesson

 

[Lunalovesskating]

TSL does NOT represent all of the USA. I enjoy their commentary, but Dave is definitely catty and loves drama. Which I also enjoy at times but don’t appreciate this particular criticism attached to a video of a 13-year-old who may view this as negativity toward her.

Also, Dave is not really official media. He sort of a self appointed expert. Which I think is frustrating for me since he never participated in skating at a high level. I really respect a lot of his commentary but at times he definitely needs more humility about parts of skating and athletics he just would never be able to understandsince he was never a high level athlete.

With that logic most ISU judges should never be allowed to be figure skating judges, because many of them were never figure skaters and especially never high level athletes.

 

[Elucidus]

https://fsrussia.ru/news/4448-prokaty-yuniorov-odinochnoe-katanie.html
Series of very interesting interviews with various Russian coaches teams from Novogorsk test skates.

 

[vesperalvioletta]

https://fsrussia.ru/news/4448-prokaty-yuniorov-odinochnoe-katanie.html
Series of very interesting interviews with various Russian coaches teams from Novogorsk test skates.

Sad to hear that Anya Tarusina is still dealing with the affects of that bus accident in France. A floating bone fragment sounds very painful. I'm glad that doctors were able to get it taken care of though. Hopefully this doesn't ruin her season.

 

[Edwin]

https://fsrussia.ru/news/4448-prokaty-yuniorov-odinochnoe-katanie.html
Series of very interesting interviews with various Russian coaches teams from Novogorsk test skates.

Thanks for that link, very interesting read. And ultimately authoritative, since it is official FFKKR communication.

Choreography requires lots of ideas, music selections and thinking overs.
They don’t want to ‘experiment’ on the kids, a choreography has to be fitting right from competition season start.
So lots of work is required in the preparation phase, for which summer camps are suitable.

Most trainers emphasized the self discipline required from their skaters regarding proper nutrition and keeping shape and fitness.

 

[Mathman]

And they think that sandra basic (or besic?) is the best choreographer ever. I mean her best work was tara lipinski [emoji87]

I think that Sandra Bezic's most celebrated choreography was for Kristi Yamaguchi (1992 Olympics) and Brian Boitano (1988 Olympics). Also her work with the professional tour Stars on Ice.

And they love to talk with john inman, one of the judges who handed sarah hughes the olympic gold medal and snubbed slutskaja.

Joe Inman. In the United States the big uproar was not that he snubbed Irina but that by placing Michelle Kwan third instead of second in the free skate, he (all by himself) denied Kwan the overall gold medal based on majority of ordinals. (This claim, as reported by the New York Times the next day, turned out to be false -- the ISU had switched to OBO instead of majority of ordinals, so Kwan would not have won anyway).

Anyway, what Inman is more notorious for is sending out the infamous memo to judges that very likely cost Plushenko the gold medal in 2010.

 

[kwanatic]

I'd only watched a few clips of Kamila prior to this so I knew of her, yet I'd never watched a full program. She is lovely! There's an ease and lightness to her skating that is very appealing. Long lines, graceful, effortless jumps, wonderful spins... she could be something special. My issue with her is her programs, or more specifically her FS. Her SP is actually quite good. Interesting movement and the choreo works with the music...it's a solid one.

OTOH, that FS makes me cringe and I'll tell you why: the choreography is 100% disconnected from the music. Exogenesis is soft, calm, and steady...yet there is this sharpness and speed to the movements in the choreo that is completely at odds with the nature of the music. The movements are too fast and rushed, almost like the choreo was made for another piece and they just threw this music over it. It looks strange, like a person doing an uptempo dance while a slow song is playing. It sad b/c I can tell with some good choreography Kamila could cast a real spell with this music.

I can enjoy her FS when I turn the music off because my brain isn't battling to reconcile the calmness of the music I hear with the fast busy movements I see. Even though the program is quite terrible, she will be a stand out this year for the juniors. Alena Kanysheva too...she's lovely as well.

I do not think Daniil is an awful choreographer; he has done some decent work here and there for certain skaters...but this Exogenesis FS is a complete failure IMO. I don't understand how someone who is supposed to understand marrying movement to music could come up with something like that, especially for one of his top students.

 

[Scott512]

Dave has uploaded videos of his skating on the TSL channel many years ago (they are still there) when he was still skating as an adult skater and has often recently invited people to watch them and to judge how he did on their TSL videos. Love when you guys here just claim things without actually checking the facts

Sorry some of us here can't be as factual as the TSL guys. Lol. I guess that you like them and that's okay. It doesn't make me like you any less. It's all good. To each their own.

I don't know, was anyone here fatshaming skaters, discussing sexuality of a father of a skater or appearances of them, who's prettier than whom, who as a skater will never be interesting, who's unimportant, who's done cosmetic surgery?
But that's all just good ol gossiping of two skating fans

And you know, sure, there are insults that are much worse than what they say, they exist. Some of the commenters on YT, IG, twiitter are sometimes saying things I feel disgusted even reading.
But does that fact excuse them somehow? That's a rhetorical question.
„There are people that are worse“ ... there’s something REALLY wrong, if that’s someone’s excuse.

Damn Ñuss you brought the facts. Yeah I don't like it if one of them was talkin about the sexuality of one of they fathers of the skaters. Some things really should be off limits. But when you're posting on YouTube I guess that's not the case.

Haha kwan could barely do a 3t3t. And they think that sandra basic (or besic?) is the best choreographer ever. I mean her best work was tara lipinski [emoji87] And they love to talk with john inman, one of the judges who handed sarah hughes the olympic gold medal and snubbed slutskaja. However at least they are disgusting to everyone basically

You make the most pertinent point of all that TSL is an equal-opportunity basher. Lol.

 

[Fluture]

Evgenia is officially scheduled to compete at Shanghai Trophy. What do you think will her - and the other girls‘ - challenger assignments be?

Sasha and Alina are doing Japan Open, Zhenya Shanghai Trophy. Tursynbaeva is scheduled to participate at Shanghai Trophy as well, so I thought maybe another Tutberidze skater would be invited too - like Aliona or Anna. The participants of ACI should be released by tomorrow, I think, so we‘ll find out whether one of the girls is competing there. Sofia and Liza will do Lombardia Trophy again, I guess.

Let‘s stop talking about TSL - if you dislike them as much, then don‘t go and give them the attention they want. Personally, I think they could indeed make valid and interesting points occasionally but they‘re overshadowed by the disrespect they talk with about these young teenaged skaters.

 

[Scott512]

Evgenia is officially scheduled to compete at Shanghai Trophy. What do you think will her - and the other girls‘ - challenger assignments be?

Sasha and Alina are doing Japan Open, Zhenya Shanghai Trophy. Tursynbaeva is scheduled to participate at Shanghai Trophy as well, so I thought maybe another Tutberidze skater would be invited too - like Aliona or Anna. The participants of ACI should be released by tomorrow, I think, so we‘ll find out whether one of the girls is competing there. Sofia and Liza will do Lombardia Trophy again, I guess.

Let‘s stop talking about TSL - if you dislike them as much, then don‘t go and give them the attention they want. Personally, I think they could indeed make valid and interesting points occasionally but they‘re overshadowed by the disrespect they talk with about these young teenaged skaters.

What events does Anastasia Gubanova have lined up? Oh yeah zip nada zilch.

I'd rather not talk about TSL. But once in a while someone brings them up here and what disrespectful or mean comments of theirs made towards a minor. That tends to get people riled up. but good idea changing the subject here on the fly. I like it. I've done it a few times myself.

 

[SkateSkates]

Evgenia is officially scheduled to compete at Shanghai Trophy. What do you think will her - and the other girls‘ - challenger assignments be?

Sasha and Alina are doing Japan Open, Zhenya Shanghai Trophy. Tursynbaeva is scheduled to participate at Shanghai Trophy as well, so I thought maybe another Tutberidze skater would be invited too - like Aliona or Anna. The participants of ACI should be released by tomorrow, I think, so we‘ll find out whether one of the girls is competing there. Sofia and Liza will do Lombardia Trophy again, I guess.

Let‘s stop talking about TSL - if you dislike them as much, then don‘t go and give them the attention they want. Personally, I think they could indeed make valid and interesting points occasionally but they‘re overshadowed by the disrespect they talk with about these young teenaged skaters.

Only top 12 at worlds + JWC medalists are eligible for Shanghai Trophy so Anna could be invited, but Aliona is not eligible.

Hopefully in the coming weeks ISU will start to release the preliminary entry lists for challengers. The JGPs have been released on Tuesdays, so maybe we will also get ACI next Tuesday (entries due tomorrow).

 

[Lunalovesskating]

I don't know, was anyone here fatshaming skaters, discussing sexuality of a father of a skater or appearances of them, who's prettier than whom, who as a skater will never be interesting, who's unimportant, who's done cosmetic surgery?
But that's all just good ol gossiping of two skating fans

And you know, sure, there are insults that are much worse than what they say, they exist. Some of the commenters on YT, IG, twiitter are sometimes saying things I feel disgusted even reading.
But does that fact excuse them somehow? That's a rhetorical question.
„There are people that are worse“ ... there’s something REALLY wrong, if that’s someone’s excuse.

That fatshaming comment was made by Doug Haw not by TSL. TSL made a whole video about fatshaming not being okay after they had Doug as a guest on their channel, because they also thought that Doug stepped over the line with his comment about Tuktamysheva.
Comments about which skater is more important and who isn't are made here nearly on the daily, many of these comments are made by people that complained about TSL's comments, that is why I spoke up not because I want to excuse TSL's comments, I just don't like hypocrits. I just find it funny that many posters have no qualms to write comments here bashing non-russian ladies or russian ladies they don't like and how their favorite russian ladies will destroy them and then they have fit if someone dares to critique the choreo from one of their favorite Russian ladies. Also I have seen one or two posters here who complain about TSL make nasty comments on youtube or other social platforms (if they don't want to be caught they should not use the same username and profile pic on their other platforms) about certain skaters and then they pretend to be diplomatic here That is my issue I have here. I don't want to excuse TSL's comments, yes they are often over the top and they could be more tactful, however, some people here like to pretend that they are angels themselves, when they aren't.
Also if people don't like figure skating gossip just don't watch it and don't pay attention to it. That way they don't get your views (and adsense) and your blood pressure can stay healthy
Also people often take TSL's comments out of context and like to pretend that they hate all Russian ladies when they don't. TSL has often said nice things about Russian ladies and even Eteri's skaters among the critique they often throw at them. Dave likes Shcherbakova's muscality, he has a soft spot for her. They love Kostornaia. They said a few nice things about Alina even, how she is more emotive now in her skating that her skating has improved and that they wish her team would give her programs that show of her skills and her musicality even more. They even said *oh shock* nice things about Evgenia among the critique they often give her.