2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Georgya]

You have to be “somebody” before you’re entitled to criticize something?

Yes if you want that criticism to be authentic, otherwise is just another nobody promoting a personal agenda

 

[Vandevska]

Let's please ignore her and not bring her in this thread.
That person is only after drama and attention at any cost.

Yes please, I can't believe what I read about Yulia. This person is the delusion, split-personality one, not Yulia :noshake:

Yes if you want that criticism to be authentic, otherwise is just another nobody promoting a personal agenda

 

[neud]

You have to be “somebody” before you’re entitled to criticize something?

Ne supra crepidam sutor judicaret

 

[Vandevska]

Meanwhile Evgenia breathes and gets judged....

 

[Georgya]

Meanwhile Evgenia breathes and gets judged....

 

[Tavi...]

Yes if you want that criticism to be authentic, otherwise is just another nobody promoting a personal agenda

So does that mean that every comment made on this forum is not “authentic”? Because as far as I can tell, all of us here are “nobodies,” and many of the comments seem to be promoting “personal agendas.”

 

[Tavi...]

Ne supra crepidam sutor judicaret

But you don’t know the limits of his knowledge so why is it okay for you to criticize? I’m fact, you’re doing exactly what you’re criticizing TSL for.

 

[neud]

But you don’t know the limits of his knowledge so why is it okay for you to criticize? I’m fact, you’re doing exactly what you’re criticizing TSL for.

Yet nobody in sane mind is trying to lecture Lewis Hamilton how to drive a car, or lecture Magnus Carlsen how to play chess. I wonder why?

 

[nussnacker]

I think there are different types of critiques.
I can only express my general feeling/opinion, but I have a subpar knowledge in choreography to be able to say anything more than that.
I can say the "I like it/I don't like it" type of thing, 'this I liked/this I didn't', but it's going to come from a very non-knowledgeable point of view.
If I say what I felt, I would only be expressing what's my personal preference or liking, but not much more than that.
I was once at modern-ballet performance in Russia, and being honest, I did not like it at all, there wasn't much of music there and quite frankly I did not even understand it.
But that is as far as I can go, it's my personal view, I can't say my opinion should matter or could matter, since maybe it's my lack of knowledge that's preventing me from understanding and enjoying it. I did not like it, but am I qualified enough to give an assessment and lecture the choreographer? I don't think so.

But to give a critique on a professional level and give advice on how to change it or make it better would indeed require some deeper understanding, education and knowledge I suppose.
I can not say how to change that modern-ballet performance for the better (and whether it needs to be changed at all!) and for someone to do that, I think it would require something more than to be a casual ballet viewer or maybe even a ballet fan, some more profound knowledge about ballet should be there.
As a casual ballet viewer, I just don't have enough knowledge to give a professional critique or give advice to the ballet choreographer.
That's just my opinion, no offense

 

[Vandevska]

Everyone is giving their opinions, no one here is trying to give Daniil professional advice

 

[neud]

To clarify, are you saying that Daniil is the Lewis Hamilton and/or Magnus Carlsen of FS choreography?

You can compare their results.
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Guess why nobody on chess forums writes things like "why Magnus Carlsen just can't sacrifice more pieces, like Mikhail Tal? That's what we need to create a moment of beauty in chess game! He is so boring etc."

 

[Georgya]

So does that mean that every comment made on this forum is not “authentic”? Because as far as I can tell, all of us here are “nobodies,” and many of the comments seem to be promoting “personal agendas.”

You are deliberately or not missing the point here. The comments posted here, criticism or praise, stay here. We are not making money out of it. We are not advacing a personal agenda. Those guys aim to form a public for themselves so can they profit. Your comment here doesn't have the impact their hatefull comments have. You don't have an audience, they have. I don't know about you, but I want to hear valid criticism from people with experience, reputation in a certain field. I' m tired of imposters

 

[el henry]

Choreography is the artistic component (or should be) of skating.

If I don’t like a Martin Scorsese movie, and I say so, I’m not saying I’m a director. I’m saying I don’t like the movie. An opinion I am perfectly qualified to express. And if the movie wins 20 Oscars, well, yippee, but it won’t change my mind about the movie.

From what little I have seen of Daniil’s choreography, I’m left cold. That’s my opinion. Someone else may have another opinion. If only other choreographers were allowed to express opinions, we’d probably have no one on this Board opining

I’m going to see if maybe Rohene Ward will join and share. Wish me luck

 

[nussnacker]

Everyone is giving their opinions, no one here is trying to give Daniil professional advice

Yes, true! I would say on this forum it's true, although we do have dance experts here if I recall correctly (there was definitely a professional ballerina in one of the threads) and I think they can possibly share their expert view on some things and give a professional critique.
In some other places, I think there are people who are entitled to think they know better than everyone else. Maybe they do though, but I still would stick to my opinion that there's a need for some education/qualification to be able to give a proper assessment (and avoid using phrases like 'this program will give you indigestion').

 

[Georgya]

Everyone is giving their opinions, no one here is trying to give Daniil professional advice

If you don't see the difference between my opinion or your opinion posted here and the opinion of those guys which present themselves as experts.... it's useless for me to explain.

You are not claiming to be a specialist in figure skating and your comment has a low reach here, you are not monetizing your opinion... That's way I don't get my news, opinions from random people on youtube

 

[ruga]

Criticism, both accurate and inaccurate, is an essential part of any sport. Especially in such an activity like figure skating where art, which is subjective, is mixed together with athleticism. It's athletes and their teams' choice whether they should take opinions seriously or ignore them. Sometimes among many comments that are not credible in any way, a good advice can be found. Also, if many people keep repeating the same thing, there is a possibility that people subject to such criticism may take it into account.

And again, it's not unique to FS. Just watch any popular team sports and their fans' behavior

 

[flanker]

Everyone is giving their opinions, no one here is trying to give Daniil professional advice

Not professional, but there were a lot of those that can be called nonprofessional

 

[Vandevska]

My apology, only now I realized that the original aim was for the TSL guys. That, I can agree with.

 

[Georgya]

Choreography is the artistic component (or should be) of skating.

If I don’t like a Martin Scorsese movie, and I say so, I’m not saying I’m a director. I’m saying I don’t like the movie. An opinion I am perfectly qualified to express. And if the movie wins 20 Oscars, well, yippee, but it won’t change my mind about the movie.

From what little I have seen of Daniil’s choreography, I’m left cold. That’s my opinion. Someone else may have another opinion. If only other choreographers were allowed to express opinions, we’d probably have no one on this Board opining

I’m going to see if maybe Rohene Ward will join and share. Wish me luck

I can agree with this. But we were talking about the diffrence between us criticising here and TSL

 

[el henry]

I can agree with this. But we were talking about the diffrence between us criticising here and TSL

I think I undearstand.

I have no love lost for TSL commentary, so I am not saying this as a fangirl. But many many sports podcasts and YouTube channels, in the US at least, are just people giving their opinions. And if they build up an audience and get clicks, well good for them too. Anyone else is free to do the same.

I do not get a vibe from Dave and Jonathan that they think they are superior. Right, yes But as any sports commentator thinks they’re right. They relied more on “inside” expertise when elite skater Jenny Kirk was a host, I think.

Anyway, they put themselves out there to be disagreed with, so people should disagree. But not like who do they think they are? They’re people you disagree with, so disagree

(And completely OT but they said nice things about my boy Andrew Torgashev in the last show, so I may be feeling ever so slightly kindly disposed. It may not last)