2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Bluediamonds09]

Please help!! In Chelyabinsk, Russia right now, it’s 6:13am September 11. For the jgp, at what time does the ladies sp begin there? All the information I can find is, like, 1300 hours or 1600 hours and that doesn’t help, I’m just looking for 3:00 pm, 11:00 am...

 

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As an Alina fan, I'm planning to get very excited about the prospect of possible silver and bronze medals this season! :agree:

This one I did not understand. Silver and bronze for whom? Alina and Sasha? Then you are not Alina's but Rika's fan. We shall see how they fare vs. one another quite soon. My take is we are talking about gold and silver for Alina and Sasha. Who will take the gold - that's a question.

 

[NAOTMAA]

I remember last season, from Russian nationals on, heading into worlds, people were thinking of a potential Japanese sweep and for Russia to possibly lose a spot. We ended up with 2 Russians on the podium and no Japanese at all (including Rika who was expected to cruise to gold)! It's never over until the ladies skate and the judges give their marks! Anything can happen no matter what it says on paper

 

[readernick]

This argument of artistry doesn't make senes to me. Sasha is not an ice princess, she is not elegant nor graceful. But why is there this belief that ladies' skating has to be those things? Sasha is powerful, strong and lively. I love that she doesn't fit into the cute dainty beautiful box that society always tries to shove young girls into - not that there's anything wrong with being beautiful and dainty if that's who you are. I think she does have artistry - she's not just fierce. In Big Spender, in the jazz parts, she's very playful, upbeat, and musical. Her unstoppable EX was powerful. Fifth Element showed her quirkiness and people who say she had no expression haven't seen the character of Leeloo. Kill Bill actually showed her vulnerability - you don't have to be princess to show that. She embodies the spirit of Daenerys in her power and her energy. Obviously she is not doing lyrical pieces that everyone loves because that's not her style. But that's also not the only style.

But in terms of scoring, none of the Russian ladies can match her (maybe Anna when she's perfect) when clean. She's more than 20+ points in BV above Alina, Alena, Evgenia, Sofia. Everyone seems to think her PCS is horrible - but even if she were to get 7s and the other girls 10s, that's 5 criteria and 3 points difference which is a difference of 15 points. She's still 5+ points ahead. That's generous too, because I don't think she's that much behind them in SS/TR, and I like her IN/PE but I get that's subjective. Coupled with the GOEs that she would get (because her jumps are better than a lot of the girls and her quads will get quad factoring in addition to being huge) and her spins being perfectly centred. Regardless of how you want to argue her PCS, she's come out on top if clean, fair and square. Something we should all keep in mind in the upcoming season - every time we want to argue PCS scoring, which is fine, just ask yourselves if that will make a difference in the overall standing of the Russian ladies. You might not like her style, but her BV is a huge advantage and it's not like her quads are the size of Sofia's triples, and that the other ladies' triples are the size of the Kolyada's quads.

I like beautiful jumps regardless of the times a lady rotates in the air. I find Kamila Valieva’s 4T beautiful. Sasha’s quads are ok. They are certainly better than a lot of ladies triples. ( I think Liza’s jumps and Rika’s jumps are prettier, though). My favorite jump of Sasha’s is actually her 3lz3lo not her quads. It’s beautiful.

I don’t think all women need to skate like ice princesses but if Sasha wants to skate like the men ( or like the strong lady she is )she needs to improve her SS and performance. She would not do well PCS wise against men like Yuzuru, Nathan, Kolyada, Shoma... So, by all means she should be herself! But, she should still improve the non-jump elements of her skating. ( I think she is working on this —her spins are better this year)

Despite that, Sasha, if clean, will definitely win lots of competitions. She deserves to. However, a clean Rika can definitely challenge a clean Sasha since I think she would deservedly get slightly higher GOE and PCS and the BV is not that different. And, Sasha lost to both Anna and Aliona last year even when she landed quads because she was messy. She can definitely lose to Alina who will get higher PCS and GOE. Honestly, she could lose to many girls if she isn’t clean. If she is, long live Queen Sasha ( only Rika might challenge her this year) ! I just love Sasha’s fight and determination. She makes me smile even if her skating isn’t my favorite!

 

[Jontor]

I remember last season, from Russian nationals on, heading into worlds, people were thinking of a potential Japanese sweep and for Russia to possibly lose a spot. We ended up with 2 Russians on the podium and no Japanese at all (including Rika who was expected to cruise to gold)! It's never over until the ladies skate and the judges give their marks! Anything can happen no matter what it says on paper

That's why Konstantinova will be European Champion this year:yay:

 

[Jontor]

Please help!! In Chelyabinsk, Russia right now, it’s 6:13am September 11. For the jgp, at what time does the ladies sp begin there? All the information I can find is, like, 1300 hours or 1600 hours and that doesn’t help, I’m just looking for 3:00 pm, 11:00 am...

am/pm - does US still use that old useless timing? Everyone knows of course that the day has 24 hrs. Why keep this am/pm-thingy?

 

[Finley]

This one I did not understand. Silver and bronze for whom? Alina and Sasha? Then you are not Alina's but Rika's fan. We shall see how they fare vs. one another quite soon. My take is we are talking about gold and silver for Alina and Sasha. Who will take the gold - that's a question.

I wasn't very clear. I meant that in the event Sasha goes DRACARYS on everyone and wins everything in sight, I will be happy to see Alina on the podium and celebrate any medal for her, no matter the color.

I promise you, I will be thrilled to see Alina take Gold this season, but I can see the possibility that her very best might not be enough to win it all. I am trying to adjust my expectations accordingly. I look forward to being surprised. One thing you can count on with FS is that you will probably end up surprised by something.

 

[el henry]

am/pm - does US still use that old useless timing? Everyone knows of course that the day has 24 hrs. Why keep this am/pm-thingy?

Yes the US does keep it. In fact, 320 million people do not consider it useless. .

That said, I do know how to convert "military time" as we would phrase it, to a.m. and p.m. Although for my own purposes and not for skating in countries outside the US

 

[Jontor]

Yes the US does keep it. In fact, 320 million people do not consider it useless. .

That said, I do know how to convert "military time" as we would phrase it, to a.m. and p.m. Although for my own purposes and not for skating in countries outside the US

Well, 8 000 millions have an other standard - why not convert to "military time" and be one in the gang?topic:

 

[Elucidus]

I think that Alina's combined GOE will be higher.

Probably. Still, you forgot that quads GOEs costs more due to percentage nature - and Sasha has three of them. If she lands them as well as it was at test skates - they are easily +3-+4 jumps. It's ~4 points per jump - i.e. 12 point of advantage only on GOEs. Only on first three jumps. It's like an extra quad.

Also, people already calculated showed content at test skates and their assumed protocols. It's really interesting food for thought, so to speak (I am not agree with some estimates there though):
https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/bezmnoefk/2570850.html

 

[lesnar001]

Well, 8 000 millions have an other standard - why not convert to "military time" and be one in the gang?topic:

Nope. Not going to do it.

Because next you will expect us to fully embrace the "metric system".

Too much of a slippery slope.

 

[Ice Dance]

Well, 8 000 millions have an other standard - why not convert to "military time" and be one in the gang?topic:

People do not convert something that is as ingrained into daily life as time unless it becomes easier for them use a different system within their own culture. (Perhaps one day there will be a strong enough reason for this to happen. But this is not that day). Ask yourself why all the world does not speak the same language. And move on.

 

[Ice Dance]

Please help!! In Chelyabinsk, Russia right now, it’s 6:13am September 11. For the jgp, at what time does the ladies sp begin there? All the information I can find is, like, 1300 hours or 1600 hours and that doesn’t help, I’m just looking for 3:00 pm, 11:00 am...

If you pay for access to the competition forum, then all you have to do is go into the thread for the specific portion of the specific competition--in this case the Ladies SP in Chelyabinsk--and click on the link to "Time in Other Places" in the opening post. (This is probably the #1 reason I paid the $6.00 or whatever it is. My own conversion skills have gotten me into trouble too many times to count). Also, for the JGP, when it gets close--maybe a day away?--all you have to do is go to the JGP youtube channel & there is usually a countdown telling you how many hours there currently is remaining before the next few livestreams start.

 

[icecreamandsprinkles]

I remember last season, from Russian nationals on, heading into worlds, people were thinking of a potential Japanese sweep and for Russia to possibly lose a spot. We ended up with 2 Russians on the podium and no Japanese at all (including Rika who was expected to cruise to gold)! It's never over until the ladies skate and the judges give their marks! Anything can happen no matter what it says on paper

Yes, this sport and last season especially was so unpredictable. The beauty of this sport. We don't know until it's over and never count this group of talented skaters out!

 

[el henry]

Nope. Not going to do it.

Because next you will expect us to fully embrace the "metric system".

Too much of a slippery slope.

Military time I can do; I will give up measuring in feet and inches when they pry it out of my cold dead hand

topic:

 

[Skater Boy]

I think that Alina's combined GOE will be higher. My take is that Alina will start free program with about 7 point margin after the short program (something like 82 vs. 75) If Sasha lands 3 clean quads she will have about 20 point BV advantage. She will lose about 6 points in pcs (68 vs. 74) and 2 points in GOE (15 vs. 17). She will win about 5 points. But if she falls on a quad or a combo and Alina is clean then it is possible that she is going to lose.

I guess we can't include Liu yet but what about ET and her quad and 3A's or Rika - these ladies could beat Trusova and the Russian quadsterswith their pcs and tech. Kind of odd to think the current world bronze medallist, olympic silver medallist and two time world champion is not even a blip on the radar right now. I am not sure Evgenia can pull a miracle like last year.

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

Please help!! In Chelyabinsk, Russia right now, it’s 6:13am September 11. For the jgp, at what time does the ladies sp begin there? All the information I can find is, like, 1300 hours or 1600 hours and that doesn’t help, I’m just looking for 3:00 pm, 11:00 am...

Schedule for JGP Chelyabinsk in Chelyabinsk time:

Thurs Sept 12
Rhythm dance 1:15pm
Pairs short 4:15pm
Men’s short 7:00pm

Fri Sept 13
Ladies short 10:15am
Pairs free 2:50pm
Mens Free 5:00pm

Sat Sept 14
Free dance 10:45am
Ladies Free 2:00pm


In New York time(EST) 9 hours behind

Thurs Sept 12
Rhythm dance 4:15am
Pairs short 7:15am
Mens short 10:00am

Fri Sept 13
Ladies short 1:15am
Pairs free 5:50am
Mens Free 8:00am

Sat Sept 14
1:45am Free Dance
5:00am Ladies Free

 

[fabienne1996]

Oh come on. GoT is one of my fave series of all time, but still I don't even know what you're talking about. Expecting too much perhaps? You obviously have a very precise vision of how Daenerys should look like on ice...

At least they could have used one of her themes, there are so many to choose from. And I watched her skate so for me personally at this point I do not see daenerys at all in the skating. Which again is not sashas fault,

 

[Bluediamonds09]

Schedule for JGP Chelyabinsk in Chelyabinsk time:

Thurs Sept 12
Rhythm dance 1:15pm
Pairs short 4:15pm
Men’s short 7:00pm

Fri Sept 13
Ladies short 10:15am
Pairs free 2:50pm
Mens Free 5:00pm

Sat Sept 14
Free dance 10:45am
Ladies Free 2:00pm


In New York time(EST) 9 hours behind

Thurs Sept 12
Rhythm dance 4:15am
Pairs short 7:15am
Mens short 10:00am

Fri Sept 13
Ladies short 1:15am
Pairs free 5:50am
Mens Free 8:00am

Sat Sept 14
1:45am Free Dance
5:00am Ladies Free

Thank you so much !

 

[colormyworld240]

I think that Alina's combined GOE will be higher. My take is that Alina will start free program with about 7 point margin after the short program (something like 82 vs. 75) If Sasha lands 3 clean quads she will have about 20 point BV advantage. She will lose about 6 points in pcs (68 vs. 74) and 2 points in GOE (15 vs. 17). She will win about 5 points. But if she falls on a quad or a combo and Alina is clean then it is possible that she is going to lose.

I think Sasha's jumps are on par with Alina's in terms of quality and execution. Alina would only get more GOE than her in spins. But yes even with you assessment, Sasha wins when clean. I would love to see Alina and Anna win everything. I like Sasha but she's not my favourite. But the point is, it is crazy to believe that under fair scoring, Sasha won't deserve to beat yours, mine, and everyone's favourites (maybe not Anna and Rika as they have higher BVs closer than the others' to Sasha's). Just because people prefer PCS over TES (artistry and SS over jumps) doesn't mean Sasha doesn't deserve to win. She's starting 20 points ahead, and the quality of her elements are much better than most. Even if you think she's a terrible artist and her skating skills suck (I don't think that), it's not 20+ points worse, that's delusional. People like TSL have made it clear they don't like Sasha at all - that she should get 7s in all criteria. But even if she did 7s, and everyone else 10s which is undeserving for most, she would still win when clean.