2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[VenusHalley]

Somehow adding red to it for blood.

FLIP SEQUINS! Now that would be... epically tacky. Or tackily epic. Or something. Thinking about it, it might be actually kinda cool effect.

 

[Jontor]

Why isn't there any Russian ladies at Nebelhorn Trophy? Is it lack of funding or what?

Rukavicin has one of his boys there, why not bring one of his ladies to tag along as well?

 

[Georgya]

I am eager to see this level of outrage continued when a different girl is underscored. It is very odd I don't see any of the upset posters from Lombardia in the South Korean skaters thread.....Hanul Kim had a very nice performance here but scored 4 PCS below Konstantinova. Same for Lara Naki Guttman. Where is the outrage for her? Both of these ladies scored PCS similar to Maria Sotskova, who had two very disruptive falls.

It is very strange that people who care so deeply about the fairness of the sport only care about fairness for some skaters and not others.

Yes, I complain when I disagree with the judges or when I think the scoring is unfair to people I like. However, I do not pretend that my perspective is the only right one and that everyone else, including the judges, is 100% wrong, or that a serious injustice has happened that must be rectified. People can disagree and that's okay.

This IS THE RUSSIAN LADIES THREAD and we only discuss them here. I don't get your point at all. This forum is 90% about OUTRAGE AT SCORES no matter the skater and comments expressing anger at judging are in every thread, be it russian, japanese, american or canadian. The last ones are not so popular like the russian ladies (over 1 milion views already this season).

Please don't hijack this place to discuss other skaters. If we feel a russian lady was underscored we have the freedom to comment upon it. One or two rogue posters said here about "conspiracy theory" concerning Anna's scores and you are making it as if we all believed to be so.

This thread became so popular that attracts posters who palpably dislike the russian ladies, especially those who are winning

 

[andromache]

This thread became so popular that attracts posters who palpably dislike the russian ladies, especially those who are winning

These are the real rogue posters, definitely not the majority, or even close to it.

Not to mention - this is not a Fan Fest thread. People in this thread are allowed to dislike some Russian ladies, and they are allowed to say that they do, as long as they aren't bashing or trolling.

I love all of the Russian ladies but I don't think they're all perfect. I like to criticize and analyze their weaknesses and how they could improve, as well as praise their strengths. I like some more than others. I'm not required to like or dislike someone just because they're winning or losing.

 

[Finley]

I am eager to see this level of outrage continued when a different girl is underscored. It is very odd I don't see any of the upset posters from Lombardia in the South Korean skaters thread.....Hanul Kim had a very nice performance here but scored 4 PCS below Konstantinova. Same for Lara Naki Guttman. Where is the outrage for her? Both of these ladies scored PCS similar to Maria Sotskova, who had two very disruptive falls.

It is very strange that people who care so deeply about the fairness of the sport only care about fairness for some skaters and not others.

Yes, I complain when I disagree with the judges or when I think the scoring is unfair to people I like. However, I do not pretend that my perspective is the only right one and that everyone else, including the judges, is 100% wrong, or that a serious injustice has happened that must be rectified. People can disagree and that's okay.

Speaking only for myself with regard to the lack of even distribution of outrage - because it is exhausting. I have only so much energy to direct toward 'outrage' of any kind, so I use it sparingly.

It's ok to be selective about what you choose to express your opinions about. Just because I spoke up about the fires burning in the Amazon Rain Forest doesn't mean I don't care about the fate of other forests. I want them all to be saved! I want fair scores for all skaters. Do I think I will get either of these things? No. Not in this lifetime.

If you want to lead by example and champion all under-scored skaters on this forum, then you have my respect. But continuing to ask 'why do you only care about this one and not that one?' isn't really helpful to the problem.

One time during a discussion about the seriousness of breast cancer as a health problem someone responded - 'you know heart disease is the leading killer of women.' ...... Well, yeah. And it's possible to care about more than one thing even if you only speak up about the one closest to your heart.

 

[Georgya]

These are the real rogue posters, definitely not the majority, or even close to it.

Not to mention - this is not a Fan Fest thread. People in this thread are allowed to dislike some Russian ladies, and they are allowed to say that they do, as long as they aren't bashing or trolling.

I love all of the Russian ladies but I don't think they're all perfect. I like to criticize and analyze their weaknesses and how they could improve, as well as praise their strengths. I like some more than others. I'm not required to like or dislike someone just because they're winning or losing.

I'm not taking about criticism, I'm doing this myself here. My point was about some posters who came here to stir things up with conspiracies.

Like you said - we are free here to express discontent concerning the russian ladies. And we are free to express anger and outrage when we feel they are underscored. Why are you behaving like this practice is limited here? I see posts full of rage about scores all over this forum!

You want me to go to the US ladies thread and comment about their scores because I didn't agree with the low score Anna received? I don't follow US ladies. My reaction about Anna doesn't count or is fake if I don't post angry messages every time a skater is underscored? I repet I don't get your point

 

[AsadaFanBoy]

wow pressure's on. Go Nastya!

 

[VenusHalley]

Tarakanova has gotten new dress. Wonder what happened to the old one :O

Anyways, I am loving all the eurovision music when they review the scores and skaters sit in Kiss and Cry. Such nice touch.

 

[noraaa]

I cried with Nastya after her free. Such emotion! This program is greatly improved since we last saw it and the costume of course is far superior. Her spins are a thing of beauty.

 

[MalAssada]

C'mon everyone, let's wait until the competition is over.

 

[AsadaFanBoy]

competition just concluded.

Congrats Vikochka and Nastya. <3 excellent skating, especially Vikochka. She's so fast on the ice. Nastya also has excellent speed and today her performance was superb.

 

[Happy Skates]

Well, I can't say I agree with the result between Nastya and Viktoria. And now Nastya has no realistic shot at the final, despite only one serious error between four programs on the JGP. I don't want to stir up a bunch of scoring drama again, but I do find it sad that she is in this situation despite such a beautiful skate today, and her first time doing two clean programs in a while.

 

[Resa]

What the heck is up with Nastya's scores? I am close to being offended by now. She even improved her facial expression. Her skating skills were great! I would have given her over 130 for sure!

 

[Fluture]

What the heck is up with Nastya's scores? I am close to being offended by now. She even improved her facial expression. Her skating skills were great! I would have given her over 130 for sure!

Maybe not 130 but I believe the scores of Vasilieva and her should have been switched. Nastya isn't the most emotional skater either but her skating skills are way better and her presentation's still... ahead of Vasilieva who has solid jumps and great consistency but not a lot else in my opinion. Makes me pretty sad. Practically no way for Nastya to make it to the final.

 

[Happy Skates]

What the heck is up with Nastya's scores? I am close to being offended by now. She even improved her facial expression. Her skating skills were great! I would have given her over 130 for sure!

The two points below Vika in PCS gets me... No offense to Vika at all, but Nastya had the best skating skills of tonight. And imo her performance wasn't any worse than Vika's. I'm so confused and sad for Nastya. If she had just gotten second she would have had a very realistic shot at the final, now she basically has none.

 

[MalAssada]

Tarakanova's dodgy scores reminds me of the situation of another Nastya...

 

[Dashw]

I don't agree with scoring between the two either. This is the first time I've seen Nastya skate with such power, beauty; her program was memorizing, really pulled watcher in! I'm sorry she may not make the final.

 

[VenusHalley]

What the heck is up with Nastya's scores? I am close to being offended by now. She even improved her facial expression. Her skating skills were great! I would have given her over 130 for sure!

How? She already had big GOE on everything and one of the highest PCS. She skated nervous. Understandably... but most of her facial expressions we "oh, i am so nervous".

She got unlucky to be in such strong group. It will be the same in adult GP.

 

[Happy Skates]

How? She already had big GOE on everything and one of the highest PCS. She skated nervous. Understandably... but most of her facial expressions we "oh, i am so nervous".

She got unlucky to be in such strong group. It will be the same in adult GP.

Well I don't agree with you on the facial expression thing, I saw a great improvement on facial expressions here, with expression beyond being nervous (and imo most of the ladies tonight didn't have the best expression) But beyond that, skating skills and transitions are a huge part of PCS. And sorry but Nastya had the best speed and flow tonight. Especially directly compared to Vika, who is the person most people are comparing her with. In fact, Vika got roughly two points more than her in PCS, costing her a shot at the final. You think thats fair?

 

[katymay]

I don't think it's so much Sasha's execution that's the issue, it's really just the choreography that makes it all seem so awkward. Maybe the dress was messed up today and that's why she had to pull it out and yank it over herself like that, but even if that's true, the placement of the dress change still feels very weird in the choreography. Anna had a whole dramatic choreographed moment where her dress gracefully flowed down mid-spin timed to the build-up of the music, then jumped up in her new dress to the accent of the music. Sasha was not given a well-thought-out moment like that. The dress felt like an afterthought to me, like they decided to have a costume change after the choreography was done and they had to insert it in afterwards, without much success.

The dress is ghastly. It seems too big, the skirt is too long, I would think it would be difficult to transform someone as cute as Trusova into something hideous, and yet, they did. As far as her skating, I have not a clue, the camera was so strange it was impossible to tell much of anything.