2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[colormyworld240]

If she falls on 4Lz each and everytime, she will get lower TES than ALina and possibly Alena, I think. -5 GOE, deduction and fall puts caps on PCS. Plus, if she falls in every LP, it may cost her a reputation.

Not saying she will never land it, but since the scenario of Anna spending the rest of the season splatting on her 4Lz has brought up....

She's 10 points higher in BV than Alina and Alena. What's the point difference between a -5 4Lz and a +3/4 2A? It's not just the 4Lz that gives the difference in tech she also does three 3-3s, no 2T/2Lo, and only one 2A in comparison. Plus, I think her PE/IN should make up for the difference. I love Alina and Alena should be getting the highest scores in SS, but Anna's artistry is vastly underestimated. Anna's not just a jumping bean and the 4Lz isn't even the most impressive thing about her.

 

[colormyworld240]

Rusfed is going to support whoever they think the international judges will prefer. They want to sweep that Worlds podium, and they will pick the team that is most likely to do that.

Then again, there could be some crazy politicking, so who knows. Just have to wait and see.

Erm. Stanislava Konstantinova (and nothing against her because I actually really like her).

 

[andromache]

Erm. Stanislava Konstantinova (and nothing against her because I actually really like her).

Lol very true. But they didn’t send her to Worlds last year (thankfully).

 

[andromache]

She's 10 points higher in BV than Alina and Alena. What's the point difference between a -5 4Lz and a +3/4 2A? It's not just the 4Lz that gives the difference in tech she also does three 3-3s, no 2T/2Lo, and only one 2A in comparison. Plus, I think her PE/IN should make up for the difference. I love Alina and Alena should be getting the highest scores in SS, but Anna's artistry is vastly underestimated. Anna's not just a jumping bean and the 4Lz isn't even the most impressive thing about her.

I agree that Anna is more than a jumping bean! She’s incredibly musical and I love her LP this season especially. But internationally, Alena has received higher GOE and PCS, in general. Alena also received higher GOE and PCS at Russian Nationals in both programs, even when Anna landed the 4Lz. But they could even out this season. I’m just guessing based on how they have been historically ranked by the judges in GOE and PCS.

I’m not sure how the judges will like Alena’s Twilight LP this season. They might really prefer Anna’s more classical program. That could have an impact, for example.

 

[sx98423]

The dress is ghastly. It seems too big, the skirt is too long, I would think it would be difficult to transform someone as cute as Trusova into something hideous, and yet, they did. As far as her skating, I have not a clue, the camera was so strange it was impossible to tell much of anything.

i thought the dress was really pretty. different strokes

 

[Happy Skates]

She's 10 points higher in BV than Alina and Alena. What's the point difference between a -5 4Lz and a +3/4 2A? It's not just the 4Lz that gives the difference in tech she also does three 3-3s, no 2T/2Lo, and only one 2A in comparison. Plus, I think her PE/IN should make up for the difference. I love Alina and Alena should be getting the highest scores in SS, but Anna's artistry is vastly underestimated. Anna's not just a jumping bean and the 4Lz isn't even the most impressive thing about her.

Her 4lz replaces a 2t, so tech-wise falling should bring her to a similar score as Alina/Alena. However, I do think clean Alina/Alena would still beat her due to PCS (Alina is still going to have the highest PCS as reigning WC and OC, and Anna's would be impacted by the fall). Clean Alena still beat Anna with a fall on the 4Lz at junior nationals, and so would Alina.

 

[Jontor]

Tomorrow a big day in Russian female figure skating again. First stage of the Russian Cup with this peculiar mix of young aspiring prospects still holding KMS rank and established Masters of Sport wanting to earn some international assignments.

Yes, the startlist looks fierce to me. Here is the full list:

Amalia Belousova
Anastasia Gracheva
Anastasia Gulyakova
Ksenia Ivanova
Sofya Istomina
Anastasia Kolomiets
Ekaterina Monich
Maria Mostenets
Elizaveta Nugumanova
Daria Pinaeva
Polina Rodina
Serafima Sakhanovich
Maria Talalaykina
Ksenia Tsibinova
Alina Shevchenko

I'm rooting escpecially for Talalaykina and Nugumanova who I think are wonderful skaters. But it will be interesting to see them all!

 

[colormyworld240]

Her 4lz replaces a 2t, so tech-wise falling should bring her to a similar score as Alina/Alena. However, I do think clean Alina/Alena would still beat her due to PCS (Alina is still going to have the highest PCS as reigning WC and OC, and Anna's would be impacted by the fall). Clean Alena still beat Anna with a fall on the 4Lz at junior nationals, and so would Alina.

Not only does 4Lz replace the 2T, but she also replaces a 2A with a 3S (and the 2Lo with an Eu).

 

[colormyworld240]

I agree that Anna is more than a jumping bean! She’s incredibly musical and I love her LP this season especially. But internationally, Alena has received higher GOE and PCS, in general. Alena also received higher GOE and PCS at Russian Nationals in both programs, even when Anna landed the 4Lz. But they could even out this season. I’m just guessing based on how they have been historically ranked by the judges in GOE and PCS.

I’m not sure how the judges will like Alena’s Twilight LP this season. They might really prefer Anna’s more classical program. That could have an impact, for example.

Well it depends. Are you taking about the judges or an opinion? Because the judges also scored Alina, Evgenia, and Stasya higher than Alena in skating skills. So it depends on which argument you're going with - the judges are right or who should be scoring higher than whom.

 

[andromache]

Well it depends. Are you taking about the judges or an opinion? Because the judges also scored Alina, Evgenia, and Stasya higher than Alena in skating skills.

All of the juniors at RusNats received lower PCS than the top seniors. That’s typical. They will all be seniors this year, so the PCS will look a lot different.

I’m not saying what my opinion is, nor am I saying the judges are right. I’m saying what I expect the judges to do based on past behavior + what I am predicting will change now that they are all seniors. This has nothing to do with my thoughts on the scores or judging.

 

[Tolstoj]

Yes, the startlist looks fierce to me. Here is the full list:

Amalia Belousova
Anastasia Gracheva
Anastasia Gulyakova
Ksenia Ivanova
Sofya Istomina
Anastasia Kolomiets
Ekaterina Monich
Maria Mostenets
Elizaveta Nugumanova
Daria Pinaeva
Polina Rodina
Serafima Sakhanovich
Maria Talalaykina
Ksenia Tsibinova
Alina Shevchenko

I'm rooting escpecially for Talalaykina and Nugumanova who I think are wonderful skaters. But it will be interesting to see them all!

I'm very curious to see Nugumanova's improvements under Rukavicin coaching and new programs by Glinka/Molotov.

 

[Jontor]

I'm very curious to see Nugumanova's improvements under Rukavicin coaching and new programs by Glinka/Molotov.

Yes, as I understand it, Rukavicin is a good "jumping" coach, and Nugumanova has been plagued by URs a lot. Hopefully they have fixed that!

 

[flanker]

Finally saw top ladies free skate from Poland. Seems like the judge from Iceland was in the office again, together with the judge from Taipei. Those two really seem biased towards Nastya somehow, not only in components but in GOE as well.

Nastya's skate was very good (I'm not saying excellent but definitely one of the better skates we have seen this season from top junior ladies) and so was her new dress. I'm not comparing with other competitions but within this one she really seemed held down by the score to me.

 

[Jontor]

Andromache and Colormyworld. I understand your take on Anna vs Alina/Alena and others. You both have a point. And as it was I who brought up the 'what-if' scenario if Anna doesn't land her 4Lz anymore, I feel I need to explain myself.

Look at today. Sasha had a great skate and scored 75 points and she earned every single point IMO. But compared to Anna's short program in Lombardia, my opinion is that Anna brings more magic and musicality into her program. I was mesmerized by her. I thought she should have been at least a couple of points ahead of Sasha's program of today. That means she was robbed of abt 10 points. But that is just my opinion, and obviously the judges disagreed with me. I hope that the judging at Lombardia was a one time thing and that Anna's scores gets better in the next event. But I fear that this might haunt Anna into the season. And I fear that it might come to the fact if she lands her 4Lz or not. Anna is worth so much more to me. She should be ahead, 4Lz or not.

Or else I will haunt those judges!!:taunt:

 

[Bluediamonds09]

At what time does this stage 1 Russian cup ladies sp begin?

 

[colormyworld240]

Lol very true. But they didn’t send her to Worlds last year (thankfully).

Yes, but I also would argue that last year was the only year she would've deserved to go to Worlds. I think in Russia, worlds selection normally depends on national results. And because Alina and Evgenia had disastrous skates, Stanislava was the highest scoring senior. So basically among seniors, she won nationals, without any politicking. And typically the winner is guaranteed a spot at Worlds - if someone can jump in and explain what the exact criteria are. I actually felt disappointed for her that she didn't get to go, even though she messed up at Euros. Obviously Alina and Evgenia are better skaters and have the reputation, but Stasya won fair and square and it's normally the 2nd and 3rd spots that are contested, not the first (again, not 100% sure). Have any highest ranked seniors at RusNats ever been barred from the World team? I think the robbery happened when she was sent ahead of Gubanova, as the international judges prefer Gubanova and she was scored much higher, along with some questionable scores for Stasya at nationals.

 

[Skuratov]

Tomorrow a big day in Russian female figure skating again.

Will be a historical date. If Sasha lands a 4T she'll make history. ( First 4T in seniors ladies )
If she lands two Quads (two Toe loop or 4Lutz and 4T) she'll make history. ( first senior lady landing 2 quads in same program)
If she lands 3 quads she will make history. (First Lady junior or senior who lands 3 quads in a program)

Sorry for my pretty bad english.

 

[Jontor]

Yes, but I also would argue that last year was the only year she would've deserved to go to Worlds. I think in Russia, worlds selection normally depends on national results. And because Alina and Evgenia had disastrous skates, Stanislava was the highest scoring senior. So basically among seniors, she won nationals, without any politicking. And typically the winner is guaranteed a spot at Worlds - if someone can jump in and explain what the exact criteria are. I actually felt disappointed for her that she didn't get to go, even though she messed up at Euros. Obviously Alina and Evgenia are better skaters and have the reputation, but Stasya won fair and square and it's normally the 2nd and 3rd spots that are contested, not the first (again, not 100% sure). Have any highest ranked seniors at RusNats ever been barred from the World team? I think the robbery happened when she was sent ahead of Gubanova, as the international judges prefer Gubanova and she was scored much higher, along with some questionable scores for Stasya at nationals.

I think RusFed has a rule that the first 2 at RusNats will Q for Europeans, the third spot is up to the council to decide. But they usually go with the #3 contestant (like last year Samodurova). Then for Worlds it's a different story and anything can happen it seems, but they usually send the same team as in Euros. This was the case back in 1999 when Slutskaya finished 4th at Nationals. She was snubbed of going to Euros AND Worlds despite being the reigning European Champion and Worlds Silver Medalist from the year before. Slutskaya almost quit skating because of that.

Some anomalies:
2018: Medvedeva didn't compete at nationals but was sent to Euros and Olympics anyway. She snubbed Konstantinova but she got to go to Worlds.
2014: Pogorilaya was sent to Worlds instead of Leonova.
2013: Leonova was sent to Worlds instead of Gosviani.
2003: Volchkova who didn't compete at Nationals was sent to Euros and Worlds instead of Basova.

There are more examples, but RusFed usually follow the results from Nationals. GPF doesn't seem to matter at all.

 

[Happy Skates]

Will be a historical date. If Sasha lands a 4T she'll make history. ( First 4T in seniors ladies )
If she lands two Quads (two Toe loop or 4Lutz and 4T) she'll make history. ( first senior lady landing 2 quads in same program)
If she lands 3 quads she will make history. (First Lady junior or senior who lands 3 quads in a program)

Sorry for my pretty bad english.

Or if she lands her quad combination - first quad combo in seniors.

 

[Happy Skates]

Yes, but I also would argue that last year was the only year she would've deserved to go to Worlds. I think in Russia, worlds selection normally depends on national results. And because Alina and Evgenia had disastrous skates, Stanislava was the highest scoring senior. So basically among seniors, she won nationals, without any politicking. And typically the winner is guaranteed a spot at Worlds - if someone can jump in and explain what the exact criteria are. I actually felt disappointed for her that she didn't get to go, even though she messed up at Euros. Obviously Alina and Evgenia are better skaters and have the reputation, but Stasya won fair and square and it's normally the 2nd and 3rd spots that are contested, not the first (again, not 100% sure). Have any highest ranked seniors at RusNats ever been barred from the World team? I think the robbery happened when she was sent ahead of Gubanova, as the international judges prefer Gubanova and she was scored much higher, along with some questionable scores for Stasya at nationals.

Errrr I would argue against this. I could write an essay on why Gubanova (and others) should've placed ahead of her at nationals if it weren't for politicking, but I think we've talked about that issue enough.