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One "thumbs up" does not suffice for this post.
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Absolutely agreed!
Disagree.
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Tracy did not blame her former technique, she said Zhenya tried too hard/had the wrong mindset and thus went back to her old technique. It was clear that it was Zhenya who made that mistake and the coaches who would have to solve that with her. Only thing she said was that the old technique doesn't work for her anymore. No blaming on her part, the parts about it being bad for the back etc. were my own interpretations which is why I added them there. Sorry if that wasn't clear enough.
Good for you.:agree:
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Tracy did not blame her former technique, she said Zhenya tried too hard/had the wrong mindset and thus went back to her old technique. It was clear that it was Zhenya who made that mistake and the coaches who would have to solve that with her. Only thing she said was that the old technique doesn't work for her anymore. No blaming on her part, the parts about it being bad for the back etc. were my own interpretations which is why I added them there. Sorry if that wasn't clear enough.
Good for you.:agree:
But Fluture, don't you understand that Eteri's technique for Zhenya is PERFECT ALWAYS NO MATTER HOW MUCH ZHENYA'S BODY HAS CHANGED?????
You are being ironic... right ?!
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And yet her supposed improved skating under Orser still can't hold a candle to her 9/11 at WC 2017 and Anna Karenina at the Olympics. Those 2 are tied for my favorite skates from Medvedeva. It's good she is finding her feet again this year. But please it was only because she realized ditching her style which she or Orser/Wilson tried to do last year was not such a good idea. It was an all around disaster.
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What I find quite funny is that Evgenia fans blame Eteri for both 'pushing her too hard' in the Olympic season and for 'holding her back technically' at the same time.
That Evgenia apparently wanted a harder technical content, but Eteri was like 'No, ya can't, I'm not letting ya do this, Alina's gotta win this'.
And then at the same time they blame her for letting Evgenia train hard for the Olympics too, and 'ruin her'.
Which one is it? Was she pushed too hard or was she held back?
ps. Elizabet is an adult, so are her parents. I'm sure they make informed decisions on what to train based on doctor's advices. If you know more about her diagnosis than them and what she's allowed or not allowed to do by medical professionals, please (in the words of everwise el henry) provide the links and proof.
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I agree, maybe she needed something stronger to represent her natural fierce and determined expression. Like a powerful movie soundtrack (Kill Bill and 5th Element were perfect matches last year), energetic classical piece (like Peer Gynt) or maybe rock/metal hit. IMO it should very hard to choreograph and even harder to skate to the pieces that were chosen, especially for a debuting senior.
As for Evgenia, part of the problem certainly seems to be her mixing old and new technique that she has been taught. She really tried to fix lutz edge and her whole axel technique, and these were the jumps that caused troubles. There were certain improvements after moving to Orser (axel when it's landed and +3Lo) and some drawbacks (loss of consistency) as well. But we can't take a look at alternative reality where she stays with Eteri and see whether her situation changes in any way. Also, the competition is much, much stronger than it was in her prime years so that may play a role as well. Today a layout with one lutz, no loop combo and no 3.5+ rotations will hardly give you a chance for a medal, while in 2016 and 2017 it easily brought Zhenya every gold.
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Oh, sorry, how could I forget that? How stupid of me...
What I find quite funny is that Evgenia fans blame Eteri for both 'pushing her too hard' in the Olympic season and for 'holding her back technically' at the same time.
That Evgenia apparently wanted a harder technical content, but Eteri was like 'No, ya can't, I'm not letting ya do this, Alina's gotta win this'.
And then at the same time they blame her for letting Evgenia train hard for the Olympics too, and 'ruin her'.
Which one is it? Was she pushed too hard or was she held back?
What I find quite funny is that you managed to read all that out of my post even though I didn’t even mention anything like that.
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What I find quite funny is that you managed to read all that out of my post even though I didn’t even mention anything like that.
I read it before countless times, and you and Luna alluded to it here, that Eteri wasn't careful with Evgenia's back letting her do bielman and now she lost it.
Guess it qualifies for 'pushing her too hard'. And then y'all love to quote how Tarasova said 'Evgenia wasn't allowed to do harder content, because Eteri forbade her'
So the question is, which one is it? I'm asking you as her hardcore fan, did Eteri push her too hard or did she hold her back?
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I agree with all of this
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I don’t know who “y’all” is? Can you specify? Because unless you do, how can you expect “y”all” to answer?
I for one have never quoted TAT for anything and probably never will.
So, as her hardcore fan, can you acknowledge that at least one poster who has questions (questions, not criticisms, not hate, not any of that ) is indeed consistent?
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I don’t know who “y’all” is? Can you specify? Because unless you do, how can you expect “y”all” to answer?
I for one have never quoted TAT for anything and probably never will.
Not you, el henry. y'all = not el henry.
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Thank you for answering. I know that folks may think not think I’m right (horrors:eeking
but I do like to be thought of as consistent.
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What I find quite funny is that Evgenia fans blame Eteri for both 'pushing her too hard' in the Olympic season and for 'holding her back technically' at the same time.
That Evgenia apparently wanted a harder technical content, but Eteri was like 'No, ya can't, I'm not letting ya do this, Alina's gotta win this'.
And then at the same time they blame her for letting Evgenia train hard for the Olympics too, and 'ruin her'.
Which one is it? Was she pushed too hard or was she held back?
ps. Elizabet is an adult, so are her parents. I'm sure they make informed decisions on what to train based on doctor's advices. If you know more about her diagnosis than them and what she's allowed or not allowed to do by medical professionals, please (in the words of everwise el henry) provide the links and proof.
1. As a Zhenya fan, I certainly have never "blamed" Eteri for not allowing her to do more difficult technical content during the Olympic season. Zhenya was injured and was barely able to do what she did. IMO, Tarasova was probably just trying to badmouth Eteri. Have other fans blamed Eteri for this? I guessso, and I disagree with them as well. Anyway, that's irrelevant here and has nothing to do with what we are discussing.
2. I also do not blame Eteri for "pushing Zhenya too hard" during the Olympic season. Zhenya was injured, yes, but the Olympics are only once every 4 years, and Zhenya wanted to win. I can understand pushing (a little recklessly) through injury when it's the Olympics and you know that afterwards you will finally be able to rest. Zhenya skipped most of the GP season and Nationals - they tried to protect her health AND still make sure she could deliver at the Olympics. It's a tough balance, and every coach just does the best they can.
But in the long-term....in post-Olympic seasons, do I think that if Zhenya had stayed with Eteri that proper care would have been given to Zhenya's injuries? I'm not sure. For one thing, Zhenya was not seeing a nutritionist with Eteri, and it is possible that a lack of nourishment weakened her bone density and caused her foot fracture. Is this for sure? Of course not. But I think seeing a professional nutritionist has been one of the things that have helped her be healthy now. I think whatever diet Zhenya was on during the Olympic season might not have been sustainable for her for future seasons.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Zhenya's body has changed so much since 2018, and that's not a bad thing. Trying to stave off regular, healthy weight gain for too long can be dangerous.
Alina's growth seems to have been managed pretty well - but I think part of that is because she had better jump technique to begin with than Zhenya did. Whereas Zhenya's old technique probably doesn't work with her fully grown body, Alina's does. And that's good! It's part of how Eteri girls get better with every generation.
2. Do you think Elisabet doing Biellmans at the Shanghai Trophy was a good idea? Yes or no.
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Why did you call it a “Whole novel”?
Fluture’s post was well reasoned, addressed all concerns and I read with pleasure.
If that’s a novel, I wish there would be more.:yes: and I agree with Fluture’s analysis:thumbsup:
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What I find quite funny is that Evgenia fans blame Eteri for both 'pushing her too hard' in the Olympic season and for 'holding her back technically' at the same time.
That Evgenia apparently wanted a harder technical content, but Eteri was like 'No, ya can't, I'm not letting ya do this, Alina's gotta win this'.
And then at the same time they blame her for letting Evgenia train hard for the Olympics too, and 'ruin her'.
Which one is it? Was she pushed too hard or was she held back?
Both. Pushed too hard in the Grand Prix season, it would have been better not to go to GP Japan since her foot started to hurt earlier. Held back because 3F3T not in the bonus zone.
