2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[andromache]

Being strict doesn't mean you will create UR out of the air.

I agree I didn't really see how Alena's 3A was UR. I was also very surprised at the call. But she had a slight bobble on the landing, which from the tech panel's perspective may have made it seem UR.

Remember that there is no quarter-turn forgiveness like there used to be. If the jump is not 100% clearly backward on landing, the panel can call it.

 

[starla16]

Alina will make GPF, nobody is throwing her under the bus.

If any Russian doesnt make it, it will be Liza, who just isn't as good as the others despite her 3As

well Liza tuk still has a chance to make the GPF , with no less than silver at cup of china

 

[lusterfan]

not for Kaori coz she wont me making the GPF anyways maybe to make room for others like Bell or Miyahara
You actually has the highest chance to sneak into the GPF aside from Rika and the russians

Agreed, that's why I was confused why a previous poster implied the judges were conspiring to knock down a Russian here.

Liza, Satoko, You all have fairly equal chances left for GPF.

 

[PrayOrDie]

Why?

It was not a perfect skate and she is first after SP. For example Anna's situation was much worse but she didn't say anything (i may be wrong). I just afraid that such comments may attract more attention from judges, you totally don't want that.

 

[silveruskate]

I agree I didn't really see how Alena's 3A was UR. I was also very surprised at the call. But she had a slight bobble on the landing, which from the tech panel's perspective may have made it seem UR.

Remember that there is no quarter-turn forgiveness like there used to be. If the jump is not 100% clearly backward on landing, the panel can call it.

That is what I find so odd, it's like there is no 90 degree leniency that there should be if the landing is in any way not perfect.

 

[Mishaminion]

I agree I didn't really see how Alena's 3A was UR. I was also very surprised at the call. But she had a slight bobble on the landing, which from the tech panel's perspective may have made it seem UR.

Remember that there is no quarter-turn forgiveness like there used to be. If the jump is not 100% clearly backward on landing, the panel can call it.

It looked fully around to me, only a bit shaky. -GOE at best. The judges were harsh

Alina's lutz was ! but not e, that was just as harsh

 

[Fluture]

It was not a perfect skate and she is first after SP. For example Anna's situation was much worse but she didn't say anything (i may be wrong). I just afraid that such comments may attract more attention from judges, you totally don't want that.

I'm confused. Aliona didn't say anything other than that the performance wasn't her best, that the score meant there were more problems, that they would need to analyse and she would have to skate better. Did I miss anything?

 

[andromache]

It happens, but it didn't happen in this competition. At least not the UR on Aliona's 3A nor the edge call on Alina's 3Lutz.

Apparently, they did.

Whenever the tech panel ignores someone's mistake, fans of that person are very quick to say "oh, the tech panel called it clean, so it must have been clean!" But when the tech panel "invents" a mistake from someone, fans think that there must be a conspiracy theory against that person.

I personally think that the tech panels try their best, they have angles and slow-mo cameras that we do not. They aren't correct 100% of the time, but when they are incorrect, it's not out of malice or conspiracy.

 

[flanker]

I agree I didn't really see how Alena's 3A was UR. I was also very surprised at the call. But she had a slight bobble on the landing, which from the tech panel's perspective may have made it seem UR.

Remember that there is no quarter-turn forgiveness like there used to be. If the jump is not 100% clearly backward on landing, the panel can call it.

Then they had tons of better opportunities to (OK, I'll edit it, I know my Pappenheimer ) call URs and edges.

 

[andromache]

Then they had tons of better opportunities to show the public who is the master here.

Um, what?

 

[Fluture]

Then they had tons of better opportunities to show the public who is the master here.

Could you maybe explain that comment because I have honestly no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Grin]

I just can't stand the bunch of ... users who try to "prove" judging was fair today.

You can't give a skater "e" out of the blue. If you got "e" once at an official competition the same can "suddenly" happen to you at worlds or Olympics. I also think Alena should be at least in 35-36 PCS zone. And since touching boobs and hips isn't officially counted for transitions yet Mariah should be a few points lower.

 

[andromache]

I just can't stand the bunch of ... users who try to "prove" judging was fair today.

You can't give a skater "e" out of the blue. If you got "e" once at an official competition the same can "suddenly" happen to you at worlds or Olympics. I also think Alena should be at least in 35-36 PCS zone. And since touching boobs and hips isn't officially counted for transitions yet Mariah should be a few points lower.

Yes, you can. This is Alina's first serious competition of the season. It is possible that her lutz edge has worsened since she grew more, as that can mess with technique. I'm sure they are working on it.

Anyway, Alina's SP is my favorite program she has ever had. It suits her perfectly, and her dress and styling are gorgeous.

 

[PrayOrDie]

I'm confused. Aliona didn't say anything other than that the performance wasn't her best, that the score meant there were more problems, that they would need to analyse and she would have to skate better. Did I miss anything?

Also after score she said and u can clearly hear this "How? Why did i even try?"

Let's close this topic, maybe I'm dramatizing too much.

 

[composer]

I was expecting drama but not this drama...

 

[Mishaminion]

I just can't stand the bunch of ... users who try to "prove" judging was fair today.

You can't give a skater "e" out of the blue. If you got "e" once at an official competition the same can "suddenly" happen to you at worlds or Olympics. I also think Alena should be at least in 35-36 PCS zone. And since touching boobs and hips isn't officially counted for transitions yet Mariah should be a few points lower.

The judging was harsh but generally fair, they didn't just bury one or two skaters but were equally hard on almost all of them.

I see ! on Alina's lutz, possibly inching over to inside but not fully. The e call was very harsh but not completely out of thin air

 

[Ophelia]

Also after score she said and u can clearly hear this "How? Why did i even try?"

Let's close this topic, maybe I'm dramatizing too much.

She's still first. No need to be so dramatic.

 

[Vilord]

So the calls...
Alena
3A< is extremely harsh she is lacking about 10minutes (yes i measure rotation in minutes on a clock) is I would say this call is incorrect. The reduction in GOE I would say is acceptable du to slight lacking in rotation (though not enough for < call) and the shaky landing
3Lz! I can understand she has a verry slight outside at best and with this insanely strict panel as well as her looking like she is pulling the jump to early with her arms (something is off with the takeoff that she doesnt normally do) I agree that the edge is questionable. (Though bad camera angle so har to determine in replay.)

Also PCS I would say she deserves 1-2pts higher than she got in comparison to the rest of the field (I would say they where overall quite strict here as well)

Alina
3Lze I dont understand... Its certainly verry pre rotated but the edge is flat at worst (goes from good outside to slight outside to maybe flat at the time of takeoff)
3Lo< This I would say is ok watching the replay I think she is lacking maybe 20min in rotation so this is fair. (The jump is also heavily pre rotated since Alina is a bit slow on her +3Lo combos compared to Sasha and Anna)

-1 Time violation she skates for 2min 52s If i remember correctly the time limit for short programs is max 2.50 and in that case this is correct. It seems like an odd thing for team Tutberidze to miss since they are usually on top of all rules but she has never competed this program before so I guess its possible.

This being said I dont think there was some sort of conspiracy or anything like that they where hard on everyone (Andrews and Shiraiwa the only two with clean protocols..) the TES panel are humans just like us and everyone can make mistakes

 

[andromache]

Sometimes I think we need two different Russian ladies' threads...one for sane people who want to discuss the skaters and performances, and one for people who want to complain and stir up drama and make up conspiracy theories....

 

[Mishaminion]

Also after score she said and u can clearly hear this "How? Why did i even try?"

Let's close this topic, maybe I'm dramatizing too much.

Nothing antagonistic towards the judges about that.

She scored higher at Finlandia with no 3A so the question is quite a valid one