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Oh, I see. Throwing accusations at someone is harmful. And throwing "E" out of the blue is not. False "e" can't have a negative impact on a skaters reputation, forever tainted by that as "flutzer".
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Oh, I see. Throwing accusations at someone is harmful. And throwing "E" out of the blue is not. False "e" can't have a negative impact on a skaters reputation, forever tainted by that as "flutzer".
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It doesnt matter, everyone makes errors, is a skater immune to making an error on their edge just because they've never had one called before?
No, they're not.
It was !
The e was harsh but in line with the harshness of the judging in the ladies SP in general.
Conspiracies are intriguing and all but they're very very rarely true
according to https://skatingscores.com/unit/rus_alina_zagitova/, this was the first edge call or unclear edge call Alina received
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I have explained that it was not out of the blue, but you continue to use the phrase.
Her edge was not clear, it was certainly flat and possibly even slightly inside. It is not like she was even on the outside edge and still got a call. If that was the case, then it would be blatant BS
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Do you not think it is possible for technique to change? There are many skaters who used to have perfect flip and lutz but then start to struggle with the edge on one. That is totally normal.
I am extremely concerned that when an Eteri skater makes a mistake, there are posters here who insist over and over again that the judges must be wrong because if you skate with Eteri, you must be incapable of making a mistake. We saw the same thing with the levels on Trusova’s StSq.
Skaters make mistakes. No one is 100% perfect, and they all struggle with different things sometimes. You’re holding these girls to an impossibly high standard.
Neither Alena or Alina was perfect today, but they were both excellent, and they each know what they need to work on. I’m especially happy to see Alina looking so healthy and happy, because last season seemed stressful for her. Looking forward to the LP a lot!
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So?
Oh god now I'm going to bring up other skaters but it is relevant so I'm sorry
Miyahara at one point never got UR calls despite her jumps being clearly just that
Then suddenly started to get them
Zhenya always used to get a pass on her Lutz then had them "suddenly" called
I think there have been times that Alina maybe SHOULD have been called but wasnt
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You did express your opinion, but we have video and slow-mo. Sorry, I trust my eyes more than I trust your opinion.
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All you have proven is that Alina’s lutz edge has worsened over time and that she needs to work on it. Once she has a clear outside edge, she will not be called on it. It’s as simple as that.
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Clearly though? We didn’t have a great angle, certainly not their angle. I could see how she was maybe slightly inside before the pick. It was harsh but I’d say fair. but I’m a little upset now that some others weren’t called on their issues.
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How a dubious call can prove anything?
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It wasn't an opinion, it was an explanation of why that call wasn't entirely pulled from their rear ends
Was Alina on an outside edge... yes or no?
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No many how many times you or other posters say it's dubious, that doesn't *make* it dubious:scratch3: It makes it dubious in your opinion.
Jumping off, no matter how many scores were received in how many other comps it doesn't *prove* that the call in this comp was wrong. Holy cow, I don't understand that argument at all.
We all have our own eyes and our own view. And the judges have theirs.
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Can you send the video or link for the video please?
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I actually think the 3A call bad. She was very nearly all the way around, and it only looked short because the curve on the exit might have masked the line she took through the air.
Her lutz, however, is precisely the type of jump an "!" should be given to. We see so many "!" given on clearly wrong edge takeoffs that we are used to almost treating it as a not-quite-as-bad "e". She needs a deeper outside edge on the lutz, like many other skaters do.
Her lutz, however, is precisely the type of jump an "!" should be given to. We see so many "!" given on clearly wrong edge takeoffs that we are used to almost treating it as a not-quite-as-bad "e". She needs a deeper outside edge on the lutz, like many other skaters do.
Meanwhile, at Russian Cup group Stage 3 the standings after the short is:
1. Anastasia Gulyakova 71.33
2. Anastasia Gubanova 70.55
3. Ksenia Tsibinova 67.88
Gulyakova and Gubanova had great skates and they would have beaten Mariah Bell at Internationaux de France
Yes I know, you can't compare competitions, but still...
1. Anastasia Gulyakova 71.33
2. Anastasia Gubanova 70.55
3. Ksenia Tsibinova 67.88
Gulyakova and Gubanova had great skates and they would have beaten Mariah Bell at Internationaux de France
Yes I know, you can't compare competitions, but still...
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The 3A UR call was harsh, I don't see the UR but I do accept why it was given
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Meanwhile, at Russian Cup group Stage 3 the standings after the short is:
1. Anastasia Gulyakova 71.33
2. Anastasia Gubanova 70.55
3. Ksenia Tsibinova 67.88
Gulyakova and Gubanova had great skates and they would have beaten Mariah Bell att Internationaux de France
(Yes I know, you can't compare competitions, but still...
At France you would need to shave off a good chunk of those points LOL
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It was your opinion about the situation with that dubious call, nothing more. And she wasn't on the "inside edge". FYI "e" means she was. It was a mistake of the tech controller that should be investigated.
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How do you know though? The angle we had was not a good angle to judge this. You cannot clearly see the edge.
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Of course saying "dubious" doesn't make a call "dubious". But we are lucky to have slow mo and video. One can watch it and make his own opinion.
