2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Mathman]

Mariah's Lz
https://ibb.co/3hP5f9n
https://dump.video/i/5ZqdiF.mp4
Strict panel, no call, seems legit

It seems like coaches would work with their skaters to ride that outside edge with a super-exaggerated lean all the way to take-off. That way they do not put themselves at the mercy of tech specialists who will sometimes see it one way, sometimes another.

Easier said than done, of course.

Still, the goal should be, seize control of your own destiny; take the tech panel out of the equation. :yes:

 

[lusterfan]

But the final hand movement (dropping of her hand) was when the music was still playing. That's why I don't understand.

I hope the judges at least explained the violation so that Alina's team can prevent it from happening again.

What boggles my mind is why there's a music time violation to begin with. I think no one should get "more" ice time, but if music is submitted and vetted ahead of time, then that should eliminate these errors. Why are they being told the music is too long after it's used?? Giving point violations to something like music (which could easily corrupt or have a transfer error) isn't related to the skating at all!

 

[Mishaminion]

But the final hand movement (dropping of her hand) was when the music was still playing. That's why I don't understand.

This is apparently not the case.

It said after her final pose she moved in a manner that evidently looked as if her program wasn't finished and thus the violation

It is supposed to be a quote from RusFed but I don't know if it is legit or not, I did not post it

 

[colormyworld240]

I hope the judges at least explained the violation so that Alina's team can prevent it from happening again.

What boggles my mind is why there's a music time violation to begin with. I think no one should get "more" ice time, but if music is submitted and vetted ahead of time, then that should eliminate these errors. Why are they being told the music is too long after it's used?? Giving point violations to something like music (which could easily corrupt or have a transfer error) isn't related to the skating at all!

I mean I get time violation when the skater is behind the and ends after the music (happens when major mistakes like falls take longer to recover from towards the end of the program) or when the music is too long. But it's just strange because the music was deemed to be the correct length earlier at practice by the announcer at the even (and therefore judges?), and Alina didn't finish after the music. I don't think the coaches should protest any scoring, but they should confirm with the judges where that time violation came from. 1 point is a lot (as much of a fall) and this is something very preventable.

 

[lusterfan]

I mean I get time violation when the skater is behind the and ends after the music (happens when major mistakes like falls take longer to recover from towards the end of the program) or when the music is too long. But it's just strange because the music was deemed to be the correct length earlier at practice by the announcer at the even (and therefore judges?), and Alina didn't finish after the music. I don't think the coaches should protest any scoring, but they should confirm with the judges where that time violation came from. 1 point is a lot (as much of a fall) and this is something very preventable.

Agreed! If the skater is physically behind, then sure penalize. If it's by virtue of the music file itself, that shouldn't be a factor!

 

[le01]

Why take a chance? Trim your program down by a second or two. That way if you raise your hand too soon at the beginning or drop it too late at the end, or if the time-keeper is off a tad, you are not daring fate.

Michelle Kwan made the same mistake in her 2004 short program. Her music was exactly 2 minutes and forty seconds long -- maybe 2 minutes and forty-and-a-half. The music died down to a whisper at the end, so technically it was still playing during her final movements. But the impression in a noisy arena was that she went over her music, and she got a deduction which cost her not just a point but a placement at 2004 Worlds.

Her fans complained afterward, but the ISU didn't go back and give her any more points. (Seems like they would if fans complaied loully enough, but the ISU is funny that way.)

Hope this won’t happen to Anna as her SP music gets so quiet some people watching youtube thought she finished after the music

 

[Mathman]

That said, there’s no way[Alina's] PCS should be anywhere near Aliona. I don’t care how big a fan anyone is of Alina—her overall skating is no where near the quality of Aliona.

I wouldn’t be worried about the points deducted as much as they’re continuing to give outrageous scores to Alina. The LP will be interesting and very telling. My guess is Alina wins no matter what.

Personally, I am not outraged or surprised at Alina's PCSs. She is the reigning Olympic and World champion. She didn't fly all the way to France just to get a lousy 8.5 in musical interpretation. Kostornaia is the new kid on the block. Her PCSs will rise by the end of the season.

However, I do not agree with the conclusion in your last sentence. This year it's base value, base value, base value.

When all is said and all is done,
'Lena's' got the Axel and 'Lina has none.

 

[ancientpeas]

Mariah's Lz
https://ibb.co/3hP5f9n
https://dump.video/i/5ZqdiF.mp4
Strict panel, no call, seems legit

Mariah is not a Russian lady. Please stay on topic. If you'd like to discuss Mariah there is a thread for American ladies.

 

[SNAKSuyun]

We all know they don't actually use what was actually performed on the ice to score PCS. Plenty of times a high-PCS skater has had falls, bad performances, etc. and still ended up with higher PCS than younger, less established, less eye-catching (due to not having super difficult elements) or "systematically flawed" (say Tuktamysheva due to her lack of speed/transitions) skaters who skated better on the day.

I'm not worried about Alena. As long as she continues to skate mostly clean her PCS will be higher than Rika's in no time. And if she wins something like a Worlds title her PCS will challenge, if not top, those of Evgenia and Alina. Is it fair that it probably won't challenge those two until she gets that title? No. Is that shocking? Not at all.

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

still mad about Kostornaia's phantom UR call

I thought the 3A< was harsh at first but after reviewing it several times I can see how it was fair. Her toe pick does touch down at about 90. Essentially the same as her 2nd 3A at Finlandia.

 

[ancientpeas]

As far as I can tell it is sizing up rather nicely for there to be 4 Russian ladies in the GPF who are all Eteri's students. I would think that would make many of you quite pleased.

This was a harsh panel. Some are that way. I personally don't like it when they don't call ur but I have real trouble with edge calls because I have trouble picking them up so it's hard for me to get worked up about them one way or another but I do get that they should be using the proper form so I get why the judges need to deduct for improper form.

I think as long as the end result is right then the scores are what they are. Different panels award different scores. Isn't China famous for also giving low scores for some reason? Or was that because Shin Amano was often the caller?

 

[ancientpeas]

I thought the 3A< was harsh at first but after reviewing it several times I can see how it was fair. Her toe pick does touch down at about 90. Essentially the same as her 2nd 3A at Finlandia.

I'm taking everyone else's word for it. When I watched the replays I didn't think it was under but I'll go with popular consensus.

I no longer have the keen eyesight of some of you young guns I guess.

 

[Skater Boy]

I agree. Every Russian lady will need every point she can get in order to make the Worlds team. This level of nitpicking is better to happen now rather than later. The difference between going to Worlds or staying home may be determined by these things at GPF (where they will all likely compete against each other - and Rusfed will pay attention to how they do there) and of course RusNats.

I guess we are now down to five Russians fighting for three spots. Since EVgenia is out of contention for the GP final. Liza is clinging on for dear life. The 4A's are the leaders. Who would think Sofia the current Euro chance would basically be considered third tier.

 

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[lusterfan]

I thought the 3A< was harsh at first but after reviewing it several times I can see how it was fair. Her toe pick does touch down at about 90. Essentially the same as her 2nd 3A at Finlandia.

I've struggled to see the UR no matter how many times I slow-mo the youtube video. I decided to download the video and run it through more intense slow-motion and I finally see it. The angle of the video is still hard to tell (her boot blocks her blade), with her blade looking like it hits the ice before being fully rotated, but we cannot tell for sure if she was still rotating in the air or on the ice. With a very strict panel, unfortunately no benefit of the doubt for Alena. Without the stumble, I don't think it would've gotten a review as at least to my naked eye, it looked bang clean.

 

[Vandevska]

Ooooh, I like that! Any online link available on how to pronounce it? (sorry, lexiconophiliac getting totally distracted from skating by any hint of Brave New Words :luv17

Unfortunately, no [emoji28]
Something like "Dezhuren krivets". [emoji4]

 

[andromache]

I'm not talking about Mariah, you missed the point. I'm talking about judging of the tech panel. Since some people here say it was strict

Just an FYI, if you want to discuss the judging of the event, this is not the thread for it. I think there is a thread for the entire competition in the Edge where that would be more appropriate. I don't want to see this thread clogged up with non-Russian ladies.

 

[andromache]

I've struggled to see the UR no matter how many times I slow-mo the youtube video. I decided to download the video and run it through more intense slow-motion and I finally see it. The angle of the video is still hard to tell (her boot blocks her blade), with her blade looking like it hits the ice before being fully rotated, but we cannot tell for sure if she was still rotating in the air or on the ice. With a very strict panel, unfortunately no benefit of the doubt for Alena. Without the stumble, I don't think it would've gotten a review as at least to my naked eye, it looked bang clean.

I also thought it looked very clean.

Unfortunately, the tech panel has a different camera angle than we do, so we do not know what it looked like from their angle, but the bobble she had on the landing probably made them take a very close look at it.

 

[Giltedge]

I'm not talking about Mariah, you missed the point. I'm talking about judging of the tech panel. Since some people here say it was strict

Indeed, that's how I understood it, as a useful contribution in a very lengthy and slightly ratty (but ultimately futile) discussion about the judging of today's GP SP (specifically, dubious u-r calls of Ru ladies).

Anyway... looking forward with tremendous excitement to Saturday's action!!

Let's hope the judges will have had a sound sleep.

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[TallyT]

Unfortunately, no [emoji28]
Something like "Dezhuren krivets". [emoji4]

Oh well... I guess I probably shouldn't try and use it, people look weirded out enough by my vocab on occasion...

Thank you!