2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

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No one has ever seen a girl who is better than Alena Kostornaya.

 

[kmw227]

Alisa Fedichkina and her young students: https://www.instagram.com/p/B5xC4ZCIMCf/?igshid=163cos16vj0ao

Adorable! It's too bad that Alisa's retired(?). I loved her as a junior and thought she had so much promise. Her "Cats" free skate was one of my favorites from that season!

 

[sk8kirsty]

No one has ever seen a girl who is better than Alena Kostornaya.

I can think of someone who is

 

[elysium]

I fear she will end up as the midori ito of her time: athleticly way a head of her time, but never really won anything.

It’s no bad fate being comparable with a legend like Midori Ito. She is more discussed and remembered today than many Olympic gold medalists .

 

[SkateSkates]

No one has ever seen a girl who is better than Alena Kostornaya.

Join us in her fan fest

 

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I can think of someone who is

You probably haven’t seen Alain nearby. Bad luck.

 

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Join us in her fan fest

even lucky to give her flowers

 

[Tolstoj]

I really like Anya, but this Firebird program is not 10 points in PCS better than Sasha’s GOT. Anya herself should get high IN and PE scores, but as the latter half of her FS is not matched to the music in any way, I wouldn’t give it higher than an 8.50 in IN (since the first half is actually pretty lined up). I’d put Anya’s PCS around 68.5 and Sasha’s around 64. With only a 4.5 difference in PCS, I don’t see why Anya can afford to land two clean quads and fall once and still beat Alyona (GPF), while Sasha must land all of her quads to win.

Sasha's GOT is literally using a theme from a popular series people liked and most of the program is setting up jumps, some cool transition but there's never an attempt to sell the routine, i wouldn't give it above 7 for performance, and maybe even 6 for interpretation.

And in contrast with what people say, about Trusova not being artistic, i actually think the way she moves is good, you can work on it, she could be much more artistic with a better packaging and some work on posture and gliding, but nobody bothers, it's all about the quads, the levels, and the speed.

Now it's the quad loop, but do we really need another quad when she always falls with the current layout? i don't understand.

With 3 quads and maybe the 3a she could win everything as long as she skates clean. Same with Samsonov, they are pushing it too hard way too early in my opinion.

She retired? Good Heavens it's such a jungle with a Russian ladies. Alisa what is a very promising skater just a couple years ago.

What could have happened if she won Junior Worlds and got the bronze at JGPF that season? Maybe she would still skate today.

Career decided by those little things.

 

[elysium]

My reply was to a post stating that Nationals proved Trusova needed to have 4 quads to beat Anna and Kostornaia.

What I meant is that with a 4 quad program Sasha can afford to miss at least one jump and still have a viable chance to win. With a 3 quad program, she has a high pressure to land everything and even then the result depends on how Anna and Alena did, since Anna can land 3 quads more or less clean, and both Anna and Alena get much higher PCS. With 4 quads, Sasha can control her fate in her own hands. However, I am not saying she needs to land 4 quads in order to win. I guess she probably has clean run throughs with 4 or maybe even 5 quads during training, so she can definitely do it. She can and certainly already does work on other aspects as well, it’s just that it is a catch up game in those areas.

 

[bubblecherry]

It feels like Trusova wants to win so bad she tries to achieve it by throwing as much as she can against the wall as possible. And when it doesn't work she wants to throw even more (adding a 3A or even more quads).

I don't think that's a good strategy. Not only is it dangerous to get well being but it also shows she doesn't understand why she's not winning. She already has the goods she just needs to do it clean and continue to improve on the other stuff.

She's a young girl and her team need to be responsible and have a good talk with her instead of letting her do as she wants. They need to clam her down and make her see that adding even more isn't the answer.

How much is Sasha losing out on GOE in comparison to Alyona and Anna? Like, does anyone know the exact points?

That's her biggest issue right now. She actually gets quite generous GOE on most of her elements, but Alyona in particular is (rightfully) getting showered in GOE. That's where Sasha is losing out. It's not base value. Adding more tech is just making everything lose a bit of quality, even if she's adding BV. She's also losing out because Alyona and Anna aren't called for their edges, which makes her more correct (yet still not perfect) technique completely irrelevant, when it should obviously be an advantage.

I don't think she or her team envisioned this happening either. It's not impossible for her to win, don't get me wrong, but there's not a margin of error like she has against non-ET girls.

 

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What I meant is that with a 4 quad program Sasha can afford to miss at least one jump and still have a viable chance to win. With a 3 quad program, she has a high pressure to land everything and even then the result depends on how Anna and Alena did, since Anna can land 3 quads more or less clean, and both Anna and Alena get much higher PCS. With 4 quads, Sasha can control her fate in her own hands. However, I am not saying she needs to land 4 quads in order to win. I guess she probably has clean run throughs with 4 or maybe even 5 quads during training, so she can definitely do it. She can and certainly already does work on other aspects as well, it’s just that it is a catch up game in those areas.

It doesn’t matter how many quads Sasha does. Everyone loves Sasha. Everyone is waiting for a beautiful clean program. Everyone is ready to give her victory. Even crystal girls are waiting for this.

 

[elysium]

And in contrast with what people say, about Trusova not being artistic, i actually think the way she moves is good, you can work on it, she could be much more artistic with a better packaging and some work on posture and gliding, but nobody bothers, it's all about the quads, the levels, and the speed.

Now it's the quad loop, but do we really need another quad when she always falls with the current layout? i don't understand.

With 3 quads and maybe the 3a she could win everything as long as she skates clean. Same with Samsonov, they are pushing it too hard way too early in my opinion.

I agree that with correct packaging, Sasha can be artistic as anyone. However, her style is more tomboyish and people generally seem to prefer classic elegant style, so it requires a lot more smart packaging. If she can get a stable 3A, then the game changes a lot, 3A + 3 quads would definitely be enough, for now. The thing with Eteri’s fabulous 3A is everyone is upping their games all the time, what is “enough” keeps changing continuously.

 

[moonkat]

I agree that with correct packaging, Sasha can be artistic as anyone. However, her style is more tomboyish and people generally seem to prefer classic elegant style

:noshake: just sad
We should really just have a no jump program and jump program and award full sized medals to each portion, with an overall winner.
Everyone happy no?

 

[elysium]

It doesn’t matter how many quads Sasha does. Everyone loves Sasha. Everyone is waiting for a beautiful clean program. Everyone is ready to give her victory. Even crystal girls are waiting for this.

Statistically a clean FS should come soon, I’m hoping it will be at WC .

 

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Statistically a clean FS should come soon, I’m hoping it will be at WC .

I'm not against. My favorite is the cold, evil, green-eyed Alena, but it’s time for Sasha to win the first adult title.

 

[anonymoose_au]

I still find it amusing...well actually irritating that some people are forever banging on about Liza not replacing "easy" jumps with "hard" jumps like she's doing it on purpose.

I mean these are some of the hardest jumps you can do, most ladies can't do them in fact. No matter! Liza should still immediately put in three 3As (one in combo) and 2 4Ts(one in combo) in her programs like it's no big deal and the fact they didn't makes Liza and Mishin idiots.

When Aliona did her 3A everyone was so impressed as they should be, but Liza adds a 4T and everyone is all "Where'd the 3A combo go?!"

Guess she needs to toss in a 4A before some of you are impressed by her skill.

 

[Zora]

Sasha's GOT is literally using a theme from a popular series people liked and most of the program is setting up jumps, some cool transition but there's never an attempt to sell the routine, i wouldn't give it above 7 for performance, and maybe even 6 for interpretation.

And in contrast with what people say, about Trusova not being artistic, i actually think the way she moves is good, you can work on it, she could be much more artistic with a better packaging and some work on posture and gliding, but nobody bothers, it's all about the quads, the levels, and the speed.

I so agree with that. I think the Games of Thrones program was really a bad choice, because while the idea is good, the music is quite boring and monotone, especially the second half. Last season her Kill Bill program was quite cool, when she landed her combination right on the beat. A program like Alina's Don Quixote (just not a balletic program), where she can land her jumps on a beat, have a great choreo sequence and not one to the most boring part of the music, this all would help her impression on the ice. Something like a Brian Joubert program. He wasn't the most artistic skater, but he could sell his routines.

 

[Elaine]

How much is Sasha losing out on GOE in comparison to Alyona and Anna? Like, does anyone know the exact points?

That's her biggest issue right now. She actually gets quite generous GOE on most of her elements, but Alyona in particular is (rightfully) getting showered in GOE. That's where Sasha is losing out. It's not base value. Adding more tech is just making everything lose a bit of quality, even if she's adding BV. She's also losing out because Alyona and Anna aren't called for their edges, which makes her more correct (yet still not perfect) technique completely irrelevant, when it should obviously be an advantage.

I don't think she or her team envisioned this happening either. It's not impossible for her to win, don't get me wrong, but there's not a margin of error like she has against non-ET girls.

Only for international competitions, overall GOEs

(1st GP / 2nd GP / GPF)

Anna 19~ / 14~ / 18~
Sasha 20~ / 15~ / 18~
Alyona 25~ / 26~ / 31~