Yuzuru Hanyu Will Compete With His 2017-18 SP & FS At 4CC

[giulia95]

Whatever the reason for this changing (if it's true), it was surely taken after a very long meditation and tons of math calculations. To me Yuzuru can skate to any music in this world and it will be a spiritual experience as usual.
Surely “the system” is playing with him and he is playing with “the system”.

 

[Sorrento]

Why not? I hope I'm wrong, but he doesn't owe it to the ISU to keep his fans bankrolling international competitions... and I just have had a feeling this year that he may be feeling more and more willing to hand that job over to someone else.

I can't think of a single name in that regard tbh.

 

[Supernovaimplosion]

Why not? I hope I'm wrong, but he doesn't owe it to the ISU to keep his fans bankrolling international competitions... and I just have had a feeling this year that he may be feeling more and more willing to hand that job over to someone else.

I'm not saying you're wrong. He's 25 and has had reoccurring ankle problems. He might retire.
I don't know, I just find the of him yoloing a 4A and then retiring kind of funny.
You remember that practice at the olympics when he did a single 3A and left? It feels like that

 

[Skater Boy]

He's been using the Chopin at official trainings to feel the right tempo for his quads- that program is an absolute comfort zone for him for the quads success. And Seimei is a signature program for him. Should it let him land 4A successfully I wouldn't mind to see it again. He is a person whose skating is a mission to lift the spirit of people watching him and admiring him, giving the hope and courage to fight with their life issues- being personal or nationwide or worldwide ones. It could also mean that he may retire after this. So I am surprised that nobody is considering this and people basically criticize him when he needs a bit of support from all of us. His last two seasons were basically struggling with injuries consequences, misunderstandings with his main coach, his free programs choreographer muse leaving to live in USA and being more and more available to lift up his rivals, his federation making a lot of different steps to stop his fanbase from freely show their love and support, favoring his competitors even at homeland competitions and judges to stop awarding him starting from Saitama, giving false UR calls and not awarding his clean jumps in comparison to a lavish GOE for his rivals, some with a terrible massive pre-rotational "quads". He is a human being, not a superhero. He does all that he can to perform his best.
Why everyone is so shy to talk about this- this is also a sign that he may retire after Worlds 2020. Still want to say meh to his music choices? He is using his best programs to say the most beautiful good bye to the sport. I can't believe how hostile the figure skating community has become during the past couple of seasons. I just can't.

What evidence do you have he is planning to retire after Montreal? right now he is probably the most commplete skater. Nathan is fairly good still relies on his jumps to get him to the top. Eveyone is trying to find the right program/ood for them. I respect that. There is no rule about repeating. Sometimes skaters are teams are encouraged to bring back goodies but oldies. I remember a lot wanting to see Virtue and Moir reskate to Carmen. Viktor Peterenko and Maria Butyrskaya repeatedly used program with great success.

 

[alexaa]

bonita I wonder if you know how many skaters actually are active students before you start to use studies as an argument. Being a student is a common thing in figure skating. And no, my post was not directed against others, that's why I never mentioned the names, I just draw a picture.

Of course I know how many active skaters who are also students, i posted lots of information about other skaters doing academically well in the skating and academy thread, while I never saw you had any input there. I am just saying Nathan is not in Cali most of the time and he is not going to be at 4CC, he needs to physically attends school. I am emphasizing he is training on his own to respond to your statement “ his free programs choreographer muse leaving to live in USA and being more and more available to lift up his rivals”. Shae-Lynn purchased a house in SC back in 2010, and split her time in US and Canada for quite sometime, please get your facts straight. It is ridiculous to talk about your favorite recycling programs with other skaters and the physical location of a choreographer being the factors.

 

[Sorrento]

He's on painkillers since when? Olympic Games in Pyeongchang? He's on painkillers almost every single day to assure practice and then- competitions. I wonder if any of you know how it feels to experience severe pain on daily basis for a very long period of time. And even on OG he said it was not eliminating the pain properly.
The fact that he doesn't talk about it too much does not mean he's totally fine as he tries to assure his huge mostly mid-age women fanbase.
I don't think he wants to go as far as to live on wheelchair.
So doing a 4A is not funny at all. This jump is pretty dangerous as it requires a very strategic planning, catching momentum at take off and using the top skill to land it properly. If he ever does it- it would be an opening jump in his Free Skate. Just think of it- it has to be perfect to be noted and to allow him finish the skate properly.
And given his current conditions saying bye after completing 4A is a very logic thing. At least to me, as long as I don't see anyone sharing my viewpoint here.

 

[randomfan]

I guess he has his reasons and he's free to do whatever he wants, but...this is just too much (this goes for both Ballade and Seimei). No matter what the motivation behind this is, it's basically a slap in the face to the many skaters who take the time and effort to work on new program(s) for the upcoming season. I do find it admirable that he's acting according to what he knows is the best for himself, but regardless of that, I think it's completely justified for people to not be fond of this at all.

Slightly topic: but if Yuzuru REALLY had to repeat a program, then I would've preferred LGC. He never repeated it, never skated it perfectly, and the program itself was undoubtedly one of his best in terms of musicality and performance, even if he apparently didn't adjust to it as well as to his other programs (who knows, maybe repeating it may have helped him adjust!). But again, at this point I wouldn't even appreciate him doing this anymore because of his terribly long history of repeating. :hslap:

I don't mean to be aggressive - there are so many things that I love about Yuzuru's skating, and of course he's a well-deserved legend in the sport. It's just tiresome seeing him continue to do this for whatever excuse each time.

 

[Sorrento]

He planned to complete LGC in Pyeongchang but he was given an advice by officials to get back to Chopin because it was a clear favorite from judges. My guess that program had not been structured for him to get the best momentum for quads and he let it go. He's a practical person in that regard. I too love it but... whatever works best for him. He can totally skate it in the shows. In white costume please.

 

[Giu]

He's on painkillers since when? Olympic Games in Pyeongchang? He's on painkillers almost every single day to assure practice and then- competitions. I wonder if any of you know how it feels to experience severe pain on daily basis for a very long period of time. And even on OG he said it was not eliminating the pain properly.
The fact that he doesn't talk about it too much does not mean he's totally fine as he tries to assure his huge mostly mid-age women fanbase.
I don't think he wants to go as far as to live on wheelchair.
So doing a 4A is not funny at all. This jump is pretty dangerous as it requires a very strategic planning, catching momentum at take off and using the top skill to land it properly. If he ever does it- it would be an opening jump in his Free Skate. Just think of it- it has to be perfect to be noted and to allow him finish the skate properly.
And given his current conditions saying bye after completing 4A is a very logic thing. At least to me, as long as I don't see anyone sharing my viewpoint here.

Couldn’t agree more. If he has to retire before Olympics this is the season to do it. He has already proved everything and continuing for two more season will only damage his health...Bringing back his Olympic season programs seems a way to say goodbye, sure it will be heartbreaking for all of us and also for him I think, but it’s probably the best choice.
Only one thing scares me now, what if he doesn’t land the 4A?

 

[DSQ]

Why not? I hope I'm wrong, but he doesn't owe it to the ISU to keep his fans bankrolling international competitions... and I just have had a feeling this year that he may be feeling more and more willing to hand that job over to someone else.

That’s a little unfair. Europeans is a Hanyu free zone and does okay for itself. Skating is a pretty old sport it’ll be okay post Hanyu.

I’m certainly more interested in 4CC because I don’t get his team’s thinking here just yet.

If this is retirement I’ll be sad because I don’t think we’ve seen him and Chen at 100% yet and seen who comes out on top. Which is a shame.

 

[Sorrento]

Only one thing scares me now, what if he doesn’t land the 4A?

I've read the Mishin's interview where he stated that this season 4A will not be completed by anyone. He had also criticized the 3A from Hanyu saying it's not the best quality. Orser hinted there was no success in completing 4A before 4CC (Graz interview). Both could fire up Hanyu to go beyond his limits. Though if it doesn't happen then so be it. I seriously do not wish anyone to get injured trying to complete the quest that is far beyond his or her limits.

 

[karne]

Okay, I still haven't got an answer yet.

Why on earth are people so convinced this means he's r-wording?! It makes no sense.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Okay, I still haven't got an answer yet.

Why on earth are people so convinced this means he's r-wording?! It makes no sense.

Well, Simei is considered the greatest of Yuzu's programs isn't it? I remember watching in with my jaw dropped at Worlds...2017 was it? Perhaps people think he's doing it for a swan song. Although it seems weird that he'd retire at 4CCs rather than Worlds.

But the Yuzu fans on Twitter seem a bit...er...odd to me. Like they're all convinced that Yuzu is being brought down by the ISU for reasons unknown.

I have to confess being slightly disappointed Origin is gone, it is a monument to fanboying that won't be equalled any time soon

 

[TallyT]

Okay, I still haven't got an answer yet.

Why on earth are people so convinced this means he's r-wording?! It makes no sense.

Not convinced... as I said, I could think of two reasons straight off... and that was one of them, based on several things that have happened since the Olympics, a couple of things he's said and done this year. I could be reading too much into them... I really hope the other explanation - or what other people here have suggested - turn out to be right.

I can't think of a single name in that regard tbh.

That unlucky 'someone else' may be Trusova. Or not.

 

[DSQ]

He clearly cares a lot about winning; he's an extremely competitive person.

My guess would be that the disappointments at the GPF and nationals back-to-back mean that he thinks switching programs will change his mindset; Medvedeva did that with the short program last season, for instance.

I think you’re probably right.

I’m very interested to see what happens PCS wise here. I know if I’m a judge it’s still gonna be high but haven’t we seen in the past repeated programs get lower marks?

 

[MaiKatze]

Well, Simei is considered the greatest of Yuzu's programs isn't it? I remember watching in with my jaw dropped at Worlds...2017 was it? Perhaps people think he's doing it for a swan song. Although it seems weird that he'd retire at 4CCs rather than Worlds.

Yuzuru won Worlds 2017 with Hope & Legacy. You're probably thinking of Seimei at either NHK 2015 or the GPF 2015.

 

[eaglehelang]

Okay, I have to know. Why on earth are there so many people convinced this means the R-word? It makes no logical sense.

Because 2018 OG was held in South Korea and so is 2020 4CC. Some sort of tribute to his 2nd OG Gold and same time saying good byes.

In any case, I'm more inclined to believe its a typo error on ISU's side. It's very uncharacteristic of Yuzuru to suddenly change programs. Unless its connected to "R" announcement , other than that the sudden change doesnt make sense.

 

[DSQ]

Because 2018 OG was held in South Korea and so is 2020 4CC. Some sort of tribute to his 2nd OG Gold and same time saying good byes.

In any case, I'm more inclined to believe its a typo error on ISU's side. It's very uncharacteristic of Yuzuru to suddenly change programs. Unless its connected to "R" announcement , other than that the sudden change doesnt make sense.

It’s been on the morning news in Japan. If it’s a typo then a lot of reputable news sources have been taken in.

It wouldn’t be the first time but it would be surprising.

 

[surimi]

^ I think I have heard that Yuzuru's team watch closely what's said online, and there would already have been an announcement if the bio update was a mistake.

If he believes this choice will help his 4CC mindset, so be it. But I am not convinced these programs would help him any more with the judges than keeping Origin/Otonal when it comes to Worlds. I am by no means a FS expert or a prophet, but why not try something new to see if his PCS and overall marks rise that way? The team is surely experienced enough to produce programs into which quads could be incorporated just as easily as Chopin and Seimei, no?

I will not cheer for Hanyu any less, stop considering him the greatest skater ever, be any less happy just to see him compete, or not miss him any less when he decides to quit, just because he recycles abnormally much. But I'd be sad if he retired with recycled programs when there's so much music out there that he'd be great at performing. I wish he'd let the past programs go as there's no guarantee he'll skate them cleaner now than in the past. A goodbye with the current programs, no matter how iconic, would feel a bit stale to me. I really really hope he can yet show his genius with two new programs before he takes his bows.

 

[Dreamer57]

Is it just me who thinks that he simply wants to win 4CC with those programs? I didn't think there would be any other meaning behind it.