2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[fabienne1996]

I can't believe these words. Where did you suddenly get stubborn Alexandra? And what do you know about her supposedly not applying herself after Worlds was cancelled? She is a very dedicated athlete, just like anyone else. Just because she supposedly didn't participate in the online trainings doesn't mean she didn't train on her own.
No one has issued an actual reason for the split, and yet she is already a star and wants to be treated as such? Interesting how anyone who dare leave is suddenly stubborn and a diva.

It's the starting already in here , some of those that liked her before and where defending her now show that in reality they aren't a fan of her in itself but only when she stays with their favorite team. . Am I her fan not really but I respect her as an athlete and anyone with eyes could see that something wasn't right as last season was going on at least at the 2 last starts you could see it, that's also why I am not surprised that it's her who leaves

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[Vandevska]

Judging by one Aliona's last interviews, I'd say she'd be the last one to go. She stated a clear intent of essentially retiring after the next Olympics to focus on medicine. She also said that her goal is attending the Olympics and not necessarily winning (though obviously who wouldn't like to win) , she thinks it will be a valuable experience regardless. I think she has a very good work relationship with the team, and I think she's satisfied.

 

[Vandevska]

It's a bit strange that people still fail to see that if you lost to TT skater,the solution isn't leaving TT.

If the last few years have shown anything, it's that the best place to learn how to beat Eteri's Skaters is Team Tutberidze itself.

This might be true, but sometimes people want more. Let's maybe wait and see what Sasha and/or her parents had in mind with the switch. (though omg still can't believe it's to Pluschenko. )

 

[Edwin]

Try to analyse the plot, the players and their characters from various angles as objective as possible and share your thoughts here.

It will make for an interesting discussion of the subject at hand.

I’ve found positives and negatives in each of the players and their actions.

We’ll know more soon when all involved have spoken or been interviewed.

This is a discussion forum, this thread not the altar to worship or divine.

We are just silly fans who let their emotions loose in the eyes of figure skating professionals, who will regard this a just a business decision, made at the right time with this goal, 2022 Olympic Games in mind.

 

[ruga]

It's the starting already in here , some of those that liked her before and where defending her now show that in reality they aren't a fan of her in itself but only when she stays with their favorite team. . Am I her fan not really but I respect her as an athlete and anyone with eyes could see that something wasn't right as last season was going on at least at the 2 last starts you could see it, that's also why I am not surprised that it's her who leaves

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I have nothing against people who like skaters from specific coaching teams, but I certainly do not support bullying underage athletes because of their decision to leave. As if Sasha turned from talented fierce skater to some nightmare lazy kid with bad temper overnight. Especially when the reason for split seems pretty obvious to me, with no conspiracy theories.

 

[KOBOT37]

looking through posts at well known Russian hate forums, seems like Anna is now officially Evil number one no, obviously she was before too, but now, after jumping robot with zero skating skills... uh sorry, that was yesterday, now it's fearless girl with perfect technique has left army of the evil and joined the bright side, to quote well known scene from Russian movie she is "from head to toe Evil"

p.s As much as I would hate it to happen(please,no), it would be very comical if Anna leaves Eteri, half of the FS fan community will change the tune so fast and so hard we may finally observe something faster than light

 

[Fried]

I have nothing against people who like skaters from specific coaching teams, but I certainly do not support bullying underage athletes because of their decision to leave. As if Sasha turned from talented fierce skater to some nightmare lazy kid with bad temper overnight. Especially when the reason for split seems pretty obvious to me, with no conspiracy theories.

Thanks.

 

[Fried]

As much as I would hate it to happen(please,no), it would be very comical if Anna leaves Eteri, half of the FS fan community will change the tune so fast and so hard we may finally observe something faster than light

Anya won't go. She is smart. She simply waits until all teammates have left TT and the team is there for her alone.

 

[fabienne1996]

I have nothing against people who like skaters from specific coaching teams, but I certainly do not support bullying underage athletes because of their decision to leave. As if Sasha turned from talented fierce skater to some nightmare lazy kid with bad temper overnight. Especially when the reason for split seems pretty obvious to me, with no conspiracy theories.

I have also nothing against liking skaters from a certain team but now We can see that and yes now I am comparing it to the time zhenya left cause it's starting up again in here. Sasha leaves and suddenly she becomes a diva, with bad temper , or entitled , when beforeshe was lovingly called tiny boss ect in here . Am I a huge fan of her no , but I would also not turn on her like this if I were a fan. If you are a fan of a skater it's the skater you are a fan of and damm give her the chance to try out new things, if it doesn't work out than that's sad but it's ok and if it works out for he then be happy for her. No one can say how she will be doing next season or even if there will be a next season for all we know at this point in this situation that we are having all right now it could also be that the Olympics will be moved a bit , anything could happen .

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[laybackrelaxspinfast]

This does touch on something I've found interesting by watching the tempest-tossing Russian ladies... that word. Team. Team Tutberidze. The 3A, 4A, all for one rah rah. It seems - from the outside - to have been a deliberate strategy, not only because it is cute and pr friendly but because it does focus on the team and the brand name. And from the translations of her and Gleikhengauz's messages, and memories of the Big Medvedeva crash two years ago...I get the feeling they are almost trying to treat it, and their club, as a team sport; it matters more than Team Tutberidze sweeps the podium than which medal each of the three gets, and the idea that Team Tutberidze took all the major medals this year takes precedence over just who got the gold/silver/bronze.

Not to the ones fighting for them, it don't.

Skating is not a team sport no matter how much it was spun that way by the club. It's fiercely individual and as the big senior rewards appear on the horizon, individual ambition is going to trump anything else. It isn't Team T that will get the gold or be in the history books - it's one name. We have learned that the three girls involved have not appreciated the whole '3A' label, which lumped them together as 'besties' when what they were, are and will be, is rivals - friendly ones maybe, but first and foremost opponents. And now people seem to be suggesting Alina should come back - not for her personal reasons and ambitions and joy of the sport, but to complete Tutberidze's set of A and prop up the team dominance and whoever else gets the gold???

Nope. I'm anything but a Trusova fan, but this being an individual's sport, she's entitled to do and go whatever she and her family think best to get her the gold each of them is aiming for. It's a hell of a risk, but I gather neither she, not Plushy, are averse to risk...

You worded this so well. It is not a team sport because history won’t remember the team so much as it will remember the skater. I think it is a very mature thing for a 15 year old girl to realised her own potential and just go for it. I’ve said it once and I will say it again, the coach is a paid specialist. The athlete is the client. Why would you continue to invest time, money or pride in a ‘team’ that not only has a vested interest in your winning but also your loss. The simple answer is you wouldn’t. There can only be one top girl, that is a fact. She wants to be the top girl and rightfully so. I don’t enjoy her skating but I admire her character.

 

[flanker]

looking through posts at well known Russian hate forums, seems like Anna is now officially Evil number one no, obviously she was before too, but now, after jumping robot with zero skating skills... uh sorry, that was yesterday, now it's fearless girl with perfect technique has left army of the evil and joined the bright side, to quote well known scene from Russian movie she is "from head to toe Evil"

p.s As much as I would hate it to happen(please,no), it would be very comical if Anna leaves Eteri, half of the FS fan community will change the tune so fast and so hard we may finally observe something faster than light

Not that this is surprising to me, but what precisely are Anna's crimes?

 

[KOBOT37]

The athlete is the client. Why would you continue to invest time, money or pride in a ‘team’ that not only has a vested interested in your winning but also your loss. The simple answer is you wouldn’t.

Has there ever been any evidence that TT didn't do everything they could to prepare their athlete(any of them) for competition as best as they could?

It's one thing to say that girls want to be the only star in the team or coach for whom she is number one(I agree), but claiming TT has favorites and worse, has interest in their skaters losing competitions is different matter.

 

[JazzUp]

Sasha leaves and suddenly she becomes a diva, with bad temper , or entitled , when before she was lovingly called tiny boss ect in here.

can you provide an example where her fans call her that?

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

Has there ever been any evidence that TT didn't do everything they could to prepare their athlete(any of them) for competition as best as they could?

It's one thing to say that girls want to be the only star in the team or coach for whom she is number one(I agree), but claiming TT has favorites and worse, has interest in their skaters losing competitions is different matter.

I’m not saying that at all, so don’t put words in my mouth. I said what I said. The coaching team has a vested interest in each girls’ success and their failures. It doesn’t make a difference who is first for them, they win regardless and that is a fact.

 

[flanker]

You worded this so well. It is not a team sport because history won’t remember the team so much as it will remember the skater. I think it is a very mature thing for a 15 year old girl to realised her own potential and just go for it. I’ve said it once and I will say it again, the coach is a paid specialist. The athlete is the client. Why would you continue to invest time, money or pride in a ‘team’ that not only has a vested interest in your winning but also your loss. The simple answer is you wouldn’t. There can only be one top girl, that is a fact. She wants to be the top girl and rightfully so. I don’t enjoy her skating but I admire her character.

Being a top girl in a certain team doesn't mean being a top girl in a competition.

 

[fabienne1996]

can you provide an example where her fans call her that?

You would only need to read the post that vandeska was responding too. And said its beginning, not only this but also with the not taking a phone call, I mean no one of us was there but some are already condemning Sasha for this. So what if she doesn't want to take the phone call or even if her parents told her not to that's not our decision. And yes I am not a fan of her skating but I still respect her. The bets thing that we in here can do is perhaps wait if she or her parents will say anything and just wish her good luck for the future. Is it a fault that she is leaving? We do not know yet, so let's give her time to see get a will happen

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[nussnacker]

I’m not saying that at all, so don’t put words in my mouth. I said what I said. The coaching team has a vested interest in each girls’ success and their failures. It doesn’t make a difference who is first for them, they win regardless and that is a fact.

Which in my opinion something every coach should do. Not to pick favorites and not make any bets on who they want to win. That's professionalism. Giving the best they could to every student without playing any 'favorite' games.

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

Being a top girl in a certain team doesn't mean being a top girl in a competition.

Exactly. That’s the whole point. She wants to be ‘THE top girl’. There can only be one in each competition and one who wins gold at Worlds or the Olympics. That is what Sasha wants. She isn’t tagging along for some fun team ride podium sweep sat in third place and I admire her for that.

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

Which in my opinion something every coach should do. Not to pick favorites and not make any bets on who they want to win. That's professionalism. Giving the nest they could to every student without playing any 'favorite' games.

Or in a logical world athletes could just train with a coach who only wants them to win and is their one and only priority in that division. There are coaches who wouldn’t dream of taking on an athlete who could push their top skater out of first place. That is loyalty, that is professionalism. Skaters are not tokens of glory to be discarded and moved to one side after they have served their purpose.

 

[KOBOT37]

Not that this is surprising to me, but what precisely are Anna's crimes?

oh well... apparently her parents aren't mere commoners (I remember times when Alexandra's parent's were influential people too, but that times are in distant past now or they must have lost their influence in a day and a half ), Eteri loves her more than anybody and forces RussFed to bribe judges to count her triples as a quads, um she, can you imagine it? dares to jump 5 lutzes and is um... too thin! Also How did I forgot it, she had surprised face at Lombardy trophy last year and is the one who created that famous "одна девочка" meme

I think real reason is that Anna is pretty much model student of Khrustalny, she has "cheated jumps", "Eteriis", is easy to coach, clearly has gone Eteri's trademark media training etc Basically she is from head to toe Khrustalny Made