Alexandra Trusova switching from Tutberidze to Plushenko
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Could you please stop referring to her as a 'little girl'? She is a teenager who is nearly 16 years old, for goodness' sake. She is not five years old. She is a highly capable world-class athlete who should be able to make changes to her career.
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I feel bad for Sasha's decision. I mean, anyone left Eteri and ended up doing better?
Why would you leave arguably the most successful coach in the world for someone who isn't even serious about being a coach and is still doing shows?
Surely he will cut back on the shows to focus more on coaching otherwise why would she go to him? I can't see her accepting working with other coaches for the majority of time and only having limited personal ice time with him. He's going to come and go and then focus mainly on her when he's around and not others? That's not very fair to them. Besides isn't that why she's leaving Eteri in the first place, because Eteri wasn't giving her enough one on one time? It would almost be no different then what she left unless it doesn't matter to her as long as she's the rinks defacto #1 lady.
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You misunderstand the situation. Sasha is not a union official fighting for the rights of all skaters. She is an athlete who tries to find the best way to achieve her personal goals on her own. This is her right, completely indifferent whether her decision turns out to be right or wrong.
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Why would you leave arguably the most successful coach in the world for someone who isn't even serious about being a coach and is still doing shows?
Because hes not a cosch really. He puts his money into it and sit backs and does what he does.
When she goes to plushenko, she really goes to "plushenko". He has a team of coaches which he manages, and they produce the results. What plushenko does doesnt effect her training.
I think he will start to become a mental coach for these quad jumps. He had learnt to improve his mindset after 2002, to become the most consistent jumper. He can lead the young quad jumpers on a similar jump
Other than that her new coaches are Rozanov and potentially mr V .
Plushenko might choose to take a more active role now trusova is there.
He also might ask Mishin for help and advice.
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We were talking about many things. But no one said Sasha is 16 I believe she will start to become woman. Will she lose her quads or only 1-2 varieties of quads, or she will save all of them because of the good technic? Her body type is very good for jumps, small, but very strong, very athletic..but she looks like a child now. What will happen? Can anybody calculate how many points are enough how many quads need to beat the others if everything is optimal in both programs? 3 quads + 3A ( if she can use in his programs) in LP, and 3A in SP?
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Anyone think Plushenko has no other option than to fall back on his coaching. Life is going to change after covid 19, social distancing rules and regulations surrounding large gatherings concerts & events will have huge impacts on shows worldwide. I think he has to now look at the academy as his main source of income now & to succeed he needs the big name skaters.
Also sad for the skaters who didn't make it to elite level & were relying on the shows.
This is very much a calculated decision from Plushenko too & I think he will be very active in trusovas training.
Also sad for the skaters who didn't make it to elite level & were relying on the shows.
This is very much a calculated decision from Plushenko too & I think he will be very active in trusovas training.
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What are the actual coaching qualifications of Yevgeniy Viktorovich?
Graduation from a sports institute?
Isn’t there some legal liability over working with other people’s children unqualified?
With all the current concern over ultra-si being detrimental to young skating girls? Two of these young skaters are now in the camp of a commercial enterprise, aimed at spectacle and entertainment, not at developing skaters or even the sport?
Plyushchenko and his political allies both domestic and international, suddenly have become new players in the fight pro and against age limits and ultra-si content.
Will he fight tooth and nail for them, his new charges? Tutberidze would ....
Graduation from a sports institute?
Isn’t there some legal liability over working with other people’s children unqualified?
With all the current concern over ultra-si being detrimental to young skating girls? Two of these young skaters are now in the camp of a commercial enterprise, aimed at spectacle and entertainment, not at developing skaters or even the sport?
Plyushchenko and his political allies both domestic and international, suddenly have become new players in the fight pro and against age limits and ultra-si content.
Will he fight tooth and nail for them, his new charges? Tutberidze would ....
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assuming she can improve the quality of skating so that she is at 8.5 + on everything, then she would need 2 different types of quad and a 3A (types of quad doesn't matter).
Let's take this layout:
4S
4T+2T
3A+3T
Spin
Choreo sequence
Spin
3A
3Lo
4T x
3Lz+eu+3S x
3F x
spin
StSq
You have BV of 17.1 with the step sequence, choreo and 3 spins.
Now jumps are adding to 45.6 in first half.
and in second half they add to 28.05
thats a BV of 90.75 if my math is correct. Thats even more than her current BV. add the 3A to the SP and with better PCS she would be unstoppable unless Kostornia got a consistent quad or Sherbakova was consistent with 3A.
Yes they did, especially mentally and physically. Why is there this perception that skaters are perfect under Eteri but start to struggle when leaving her? People like to forget that skaters have problems not because they left Eteri, but because they have to fix the flaws Eteri teached them. Some are leaving her when injured. Medvedeva is improving fine, Yulia also improved under Urmanov, even got her jumps back, but had other issuse and retired.
Others lost the passion for skating and decide to study ( Tsurskaya).
And then there are skaters, still in Eteri camp, who also struggle. Pitkeev had to retire bc of back injury and where is Tursynbaeva these days? ( also out with back injury). Where's Zagitova? The last time we saw her, she was last in the GPF. Medvedeva also did worse in her last season with Eteri, so did Yulia.
And so on.
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Edwin your hate is bigger than your knowledge.
Plushenko has graduated from the Lesgaft National State University of Physical Education, Sport and Health (the coach department ) and as well the Saint Petersburg State University of Engineering and Economics ( graduated in tourism). :taunt:
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Thank you, understand. I can't do this calculation! It will be interesting to see.
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Most people don't leave their coaches when everything is perfectly fine with their skating. They often do that because of some problems and try to find someone else to help. Trusova, Tarakanova, Lipnitskaya, Medvedeva weren't as good as their old selves when they left. And the thing is, we don't really have a 'control group' of skaters who remained with Eteri until the end of their career to see how skaters usually progress when they do not switch coaches. The closest to such skater is Zagitova, but she isn't definitely retired, and Kanysheva, but she retired due to injury and never got to compete under Eteri.
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No. He had this plan for years. He said in 2015 he wants to peform on shows for 4-5 years after he wants to be full time coach in his school. The own school was his dream from his childhood. In last year said he will have less shows because he wants to work more on his Academy he rejected offers already. Before Art on ice 2018 he said that will be his last enter on those shows. Nothing to do with the pandemic. And he can train Sasha during the tour, too. I just remembred I saw Sasha's name on the Italian "Bol one Ice- Plushenko and friends" show cast in the middle of April.
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Thank . Interesting. The only thing you did not take into account was that Sasha would not jump two, I think. She just won't jump two .
I see it Trusova cannot win (likely cannot make a podium outside Europe) without two upper quads: Lz & F. Better three, Lz+combo, Lz & F.
Beginning from this week it's more or less equal to "... cannot win. Period."
She virtually needs a Chan's or Hanyu's level FP program and that dumb axel.
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Not correct.
Here's the thing. A quad will always be a quad. It doesnt matter which one if it's a quad. I've set a base value which is significantly higher than anything she did previous season with just 2 different quads. Why? Because of the triple axel.
If she has a triple axel she can do 5 difficult elements in FP and 1 in the SP she gets the extra base value.
If she just gets 8.5s in components then she just needs a 4T and 4S (or just any two quads). The reason Kostornia thrashed everybody is because of her triple axel giving the bonus in the short program. Of course she is the most beautiful skater, but trusova doesnt need to match her components if she will thrash her on technical.
If plushenko seriously gets a shae-Lynn Bourne or Jeffery buttle to choreograph her program, and she bumps up components slightly then she will just need 3A and easy quads to win.
If she doesnt have 3A, she will need 4 types of quads to get the 5 quad layout, 2 of them replacing 2 triple axles to give the TES boost to make up for lack of 3A in short program and lower PCS.
For ladies currently a 3A is worth more than a quad - based on the fact you can perform 3 3As in a competition (1 in short 2 in free), and just 2 quads (2 in free).
