Well, what are they supposed to do? Force people into a discipline that they have no interest in?
There's a reason why five of the top six teams in the world come from China and Russia.
All Japan Nationals - pre-event discussions
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There's a reason why five of the top six teams in the world come from China and Russia.
Exactly.
Now the best way to encourage more skaters to switch would be to have a big name switching to pairs, like in ice dance. Daisuke put the spotlight on ice dance at NHK. It got broadcasted after the ladies. If he goes to olympics, maybe more skaters would be interested.
Other ways would be to help pair skaters (and ice dancers) to get more sponsors. For now, only top singles get sponsors.
Giving the Japanese citizenship more easily would solve some problems too but that's out of their hands.
Takahashi/Tran could have competed at olympics.
Suto/Boudreau-Audet could have too and wouldn't had have to compete at Nebelhorn for a spot that another team would use.
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At 2018 olys there was more diversity. Top teams came from China, Russia, Canada, Germany, Italy and USA wasn't too bad.
Spending more money for the discipline can help. Like to train some coaches overseas because i don't think there are many coaches who can work with pairs.
From a return on investment standpoint...there's not a lot to be gained by throwing resources towards pairs that could instead go towards the individual endeavors. There's a better chance at a team medal once every four years at the Olympics...and that's about it. And more skaters probably prefer to control their own destiny rather than sink years into a partnership that could dissolve at any time for a variety of reasons through no fault of their own.
If two skaters are genuinely interested in becoming world class pair skaters, then the JSF should assist them (and as far as I can tell, that's exactly what they are doing), but it's not in anybody's interests for the JSF to force the issue.
If two skaters are genuinely interested in becoming world class pair skaters, then the JSF should assist them (and as far as I can tell, that's exactly what they are doing), but it's not in anybody's interests for the JSF to force the issue.
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A note to the above quote is that, when turning to the original document by JSF, there are four entries for ladies’ seeded skaters and the fourth one is Miyahara. So Satoko did gain the special seed status, as I recall from the previous announcement.
As for the discussion about jr. skaters turning to pairs, actually there are good news: I think it’s one of the Novice A skater (top placement in Novice A Nationals and was invited to Jr. National), Ikura Kushida, who's under training from Narumi Takahashi for pair skating. Kushida is one of the 'Kinoshita Academy' NvA skaters. It's reported that Hamada suggested her to switch to dancing, but the girl decided to try out for pair and is currently training with a single man's skater. Of course it's going to take a while to see if that's going to work out...
Hiroshi Nagakubo competed as a pair skater in 1972 Sapporo Winter Olympics but was not recognized in venue's memorial relief.
He complained in 2011 interview by Noriko Shirota (former JSF strength manager).
(archived and Japanese text)
He complained in 2011 interview by Noriko Shirota (former JSF strength manager).
(archived and Japanese text)
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Why do think it is a waste to spend money on pairs? It is a wonderful discipline which produced the best set of programs at the last Olympics. Why wouldn’t it make sense to encourage young kids who will likely never make it out of domestic competition to try another discipline where they would have the opportunity to participate in 4CC and perhaps Worlds? Of course, JSF shouldn’t force the issue but the opportunity should be presented to skaters who are the right size and age to learn. ( JSF did this in ice dance which produced the charming pair of Utana/Shingo. ) After all a kid who can jump triples, but doesn’t have 3A or quads likely isn’t going to make it out of Japan. They would make a lot more impact as a top 10 or 20 pairs’ skater.
I didn't say it was "a waste", but a million dollars spent on developing singles skaters will probably net you more international influence than a million dollar spent on developing pair skaters, who require years to develop as a pair, and have double the risk of falling apart due to issues with any one skater. So if I were budgeting for JSF, singles skaters would be the top priority.
But of course, if the JSF has more money than they know what to do with, then they should definitely try to develop pairs and ice dancers as well.
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Just for information, the entry list is out in English.
https://www.jsfresults.com/non_responsive_toppage.htm?figure_top.htm,National/2020-2021/fs_e/nationals/index.htm
Tim Koleto is listed with his new Japanese name Takeru Komatsubara. Just saw a post from him on twitter saying he'll use it only in domestic competitions.
https://www.jsfresults.com/non_responsive_toppage.htm?figure_top.htm,National/2020-2021/fs_e/nationals/index.htm
Tim Koleto is listed with his new Japanese name Takeru Komatsubara. Just saw a post from him on twitter saying he'll use it only in domestic competitions.
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Many years ago, I asked a more savey person than I why there were few/no Japanese pairs and dance teams? They said it was a cultural thing...was there any truth to that?
This is interesting. Not only he changed his last name (he took the name of his wife) but also his first name. I thought he only had to change the last name.
1. in general, little interest to Pairs and Ice Dancing. no role models
2. large-build men shortage
3. rink / ice time shortage
4. coach shortage
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Yes, at this point spectators will be allowed, as they are still selling tickets to the competitions. But for sure it's not running to the full capacity of the arena for the audiences.
Adding: Fuji TV made this website to introduce all the skaters (in Japanese though)
フィギュアスケート ｜ スケート∞リンク 〜フジスケ〜 - フジテレビ
フィギュアスケート・スピードスケート・ショートトラック総合サイト。大会情報や選手情報、番組情報などスケートに関する最新情報をお届けします。
www.fujitv.co.jp
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It might work, though. If China had not invested in its dance couples, we would possibly never have a couple like Wang/Liu. IIRC, China didn't have top couples before them, but with Wang/Liu, we suddenly have a breakthrough straight among the world's best. And with it, a boost in the chances for an Olympic team gold.
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I am trying to remember from last year how we watched the event or at least some of the skates but I cant remember....I will keep my eye on soyouwanttowatchfsYes, at this point spectators will be allowed, as they are still selling tickets to the competitions. But for sure it's not running to the full capacity of the arena for the audiences.
Adding: Fuji TV made this website to introduce all the skaters (in Japanese though)
フィギュアスケート ｜ スケート∞リンク 〜フジスケ〜 - フジテレビ
フィギュアスケート・スピードスケート・ショートトラック総合サイト。大会情報や選手情報、番組情報などスケートに関する最新情報をお届けします。
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It seems like time schedule isn't up yet? Awaiting it nervously... hope there isn't much overlap with Russian Nationals.
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Don’t know how official this is but this info comes from the ticketing website
チケプラ カンタン便利な電子チケット
業界初！チケット転売防止・オークション対策を施した電子チケット販売中！音楽などのイベントやコンサートチケットなどの先行販売のほかチケットを販売するサイトです。
Tournament name
89th All Japan Figure Skating Championships
Venue Nagano City Wakasato Multipurpose Sports Arena Big Hat
Tournament schedule
Day 1 [Friday, December 25]
12: 30-Men's Single (Short Program)
17:00-Women's Single (Short Program)
* The competition is scheduled to end around 21:10
Day 2 [ December 26th (Sat)]
15: 30-Ice Dance (Rhythm Dance)
17: 04- Men's Single (Free Skating)
Awards Ceremony (Men's Singles)
* The competition ends around 21:10 and the awards ceremony ends at 21: Scheduled around 45
Day 3 [Sunday, December 27]
15: 30- Ice Dance (Free Dance)
17: 04- Women's Single (Free Skating)
Award Ceremony (Women's Single, Ice Dance)
* The competition is scheduled to end around 21:10 and the awards ceremony is scheduled to end around 22:00.
<Notes>
* Opening is scheduled for 2 hours before the first competition start time on each day.
* Opening hours and start times are subject to change.
* The start and end times of each event may change due to the progress of the day.
* The start time of the ice dance competition has changed because there are no more pair competitions. Ticket price (tax included)・ Arena seats / 16,000 yen
・ Conditional arena seats / 16,000 yen
・ S seats / 13,000 yen
・ Conditional S seats / 13,000 yen
・ A seats / 10,000 yen
・ Wheelchair seats / 13,000 yen
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